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SomethingAwful.com goes bye bye?
January 14th 2001, 01:26 CET by llamasex

Lowtax says he is planning to close SomethingAwful.com. Is he tired of not getting paid, or is it just a prank?

Here's the quote from the SA forums:

eFront has just announced that since they have no money, nobody will be getting paid until at least February 19th.

As it stands right now, I am planning on closing this site at the end of next week and abandoning it forever. Thanks for everybody's support and emails, but I'm not going to be accepting donations and I don't plan on moving to a subscription / fee-based service. It's been fun being screwed by various networks, but I'm sick of it. In the 13 months I've been doing this site, I haven't been paid for 6 of them, and I can't stand it any more.

I'm explaining this on these forums because I owe it to you guys to inform you of the situation in the future of this site and the network it's on. Unless I post a follow up topic saying the situation has changed, plan on SA's demise by the end of next week.

True? Maybe, maybe not, but probably just as legit as IT.
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#1 by "Andy"
2001-01-14 01:29:22
andy@meejahor.com
Remember -- whatever problems Lowtax has, it's never, NEVER his own fault.

Trying to run a site with tens of thousand of visitors and multi-Mb downloads, and funded entirely by ad banners, was never going to work. But obviously it's the evil ad companies we should be blaming, right?
#2 by "paul"
2001-01-14 01:29:30
pbullman@webhitzone.com
first!
#3 by "paul"
2001-01-14 01:29:49
pbullman@webhitzone.com
God damn you Andy.

It's been 300 stories since I've not gotten a first.
#4 by "Andy"
2001-01-14 01:32:27
andy@meejahor.com
<b>paul</b> (#3):
<quote>
It's been 300 stories since I've not gotten a first.
</quote>
It's been 300 stories since I've had an opinion. :-)
#5 by "paul"
2001-01-14 01:32:34
pbullman@webhitzone.com
remove "not" out of utter frustration I apparently was confused.

Andy:
People make promises, legal ones, and they should pay up. Lowtax is not to be blamed for things he can not control. I don't care for his site, frankly I don't find that type of humor to be something I like, however, it's ashame he was unable to have success. It's a business, and it failed within the first few years like 85%+ of other businesses.

- Paul
#6 by "SpaceCadet"
2001-01-14 01:46:59
jackal33@home.com
I think it sucks, being a SA forum goon myself I hope that Lowtax lands on his feet and can continue to amaze and astound us all. However Andy I fail to see where he is saying that it isn't his fault or anyone elses for that matter, it seems that he has not been paid, doesn't sound like he will be paid any time soon so he wants to find a source of "real" income. I would think that running a website and trusting .com companies to pay you for your efforts and then not seeing any money would be disappointing, I think any webmaster would feel the same way, Lowtax is just more vocal about it.  On a similar note, it looks like http://www.penny-arcade.com is getting the same treatment from them, in the news on the front page advising everyone to save any strips they happen to like in the bench area.....

If it is a prank, I have no problem admitting he has just roofle owned all us scrubs on the SA boards then, in a truly kaufman-esque prank. :) here is hoping it's a joke......
#7 by "gUEv"
2001-01-14 01:57:29
gu3vara@speakeasy.net
those motherfuckers.....SA was my favorite site ever, i never laughed so hard reading anything in my life, and the day that is closes will be the day i cry like a little woman.
Stile! Come to the rescue and host SA on Stilent!!! You two are buddies right?
#8 by "WarrenMarshall"
2001-01-14 01:57:50
warren@epicgames.com
Andy (#1):
Remember -- whatever problems Lowtax has, it's never, NEVER his own fault.

Trying to run a site with tens of thousand of visitors and multi-Mb downloads, and funded entirely by ad banners, was never going to work. But obviously it's the evil ad companies we should be blaming, right?

If he's owed money he was never paid, then it WAS working wasn't it?  The problem is that he wasn't receiving the money he earned ...

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#9 by "rizzuh"
2001-01-14 02:13:14
rze@counter-strike.net
Trying to run a site with tens of thousand of visitors and multi-Mb downloads, and funded entirely by ad banners, was never going to work. But obviously it's the evil ad companies we should be blaming, right?
Yes.

Don't blame your boss when he skips your pay for a few months, sympathize with him!
#10 by "toadwarrior"
2001-01-14 02:23:32
toadw@uplink.net
it may have been the host's fault for not paying him but he needs to take some blame for waiting for 6 months before giving it up. He could have always got another job to help pay the bills. It's not like SA required to be watche over 24 hours.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#11 by "JMCDaveL"
2001-01-14 02:33:14
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com
Weren't you just talking about biased reporting in the last thread Andy?

--jmc
#12 by "MaverickUK"
2001-01-14 02:41:23
peter.bridger@tpg.co.uk
I know the feeling, I just lost one of my jobs, working for a .COM. They still owe me $600...
It's a tough eWorld.

--
Mav
#13 by "Hambone"
2001-01-14 03:04:35
Cosmando@homestead.com
SA kicks ass, plain and simple.  I have yet to run across a more entertaining site in my continual search for internet amusement. Some web comics are good for a laugh or two, and OMM is as funny as ever, but SA puts them to shame in the hilarity department. I sure as hell hope this is just a joke.

Also, to whoever doesn't like SA:
yu0 = fagot!
#14 by "Kelster"
2001-01-14 03:09:16
kelster@planetstarsiege.com
[10] toadwarrior:
It's not like SA required to be watche over 24 hours.

Creating daily content takes a huge chunk of energy and time.
#15 by "paul"
2001-01-14 03:14:00
pbullman@webhitzone.com
MaverickUK:

I hope by $600... you mean $600, not $60,000 or $600,000.

I'm still awaiting $800 for some work I did for a dot com. They won't respond to my phone calls, or emails, so it looks like small claim's court is the remedy.

Default judgement will be fine if they don't show up to court either.

- Paul
#16 by "SteveBauman"
2001-01-14 03:44:12
steve@manic-pop-thrills.com
Creating daily content takes a huge chunk of energy and time.

Of course, which is why you need to have a complete business plan if you plan on making that your only source of income. If you're a contractor or freelancer of some sort, you also need to make allowances for things like people not paying you on time (it seems like businesses operate on 90 day late payments by default).

Generating traffic with a website isn't necessarily the greatest challenge. Assuming your goal is to make a living with it, the greatest challenge is to create a profitable one.
#17 by "BloodKnight"
2001-01-14 03:44:19
bloodknight@somethingawful.com
Cliffimon killed the Evil Boss!

But really, this sucks shit.  Only thing next to this is Tweety's Rants and OMM.

Looking Glass deja vu
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#18 by "Apache"
2001-01-14 04:17:33
apache@stomped.com
in the topic:

eFront has just announced that since they have no money, nobody will be getting paid until at least February 19th.


Does that mean that they aren't going to pay him, or can't pay him until the 19th of Feb? That makes a pretty big difference :)
#19 by "paul"
2001-01-14 04:19:41
pbullman@webhitzone.com
Apache:

That means that they are looking for funding, and if they can't find it, he won't get paid.

That's exactly why I am taking a company to court.
#20 by "Jadawin"
2001-01-14 04:25:34
jadawin@wildmail.com
Goddamn, Andy is such a dumbass.
#21 by "The_Punisher"
2001-01-14 04:40:11
mario_lowang@hotmail.com
[105] Sgt_Hulka

Virgin Bitch? Hey Momma, I'm the best kind! You Aussies sure are violent creatures, I hope the cast of Survivor, survive!
--------------------------------------------------------

We here don't go for propaganda shit like that fag show. Let's see: Put some fags, niggers and jews with some rapists and film them prance around. Great idea. That fag from the last fag show came and made a total fool of himself on Who wants to be a Millionare. The whole country laughed at that stupid homo. We ALL wanted to kill him.

What a great show would make ? I'll tell you american dog. When this show starts we should have real men go to this island and hunt these cunts. THAT would rate the fuck out of ANY shit fag show. How's that lesbo D'generous (?) doing anyway ? So how do you like living in the States ? Every year more and more of your "freedom" is chiped away. But this is the BEST part: it's done by the gay fags, niggers, jews, muslims, and feminists. I *feel* your pain. Here too we have such groups. We are ready for the final war. We are constantly vigilant and prepare ourselvs. We are your next door neigbours. america is nothing. It is parts of almost every OTHER country. Using your own government's statistics one can see how in a few years the blacks and many other "minorities" will outnumber crackerjacks. To that I say:GOOD!! You ALL deserve to die!!!

Even if you disagree with EVERYTHING I say answer me this:
How does it FEEL to have more and more blacks and women run your country/life ?
Look at what even Bush the Republican has done with his apointees. Ha ha ha!!!!
Your blood must be boiling.

The special interest groups that RUN that country are primarily all those "type" of people I mentioned many a time before. Even thou in principale I would hate this; I would REALLY like to see a woman president very soon. Don't YOU ?!?!? The icying on the cake would be for "her" to be a blacky. YOWSERS!!!!!!!

Any REAL conflict you fools went in you LOST!! Remember Nam ??? That's where a bunch of REAL men (Communists) "whupped your buts" as you Yanks would say. Then "men" like you say things like:"Well, we COULD have won it buy bombing them to the stone age". A real war is where you have soldiers fight on the GROUND!! Anyone who calls the "Kosovo war" a "war" is a TRUE american. It was a conflict. And even there you lost!!! Had you started moving on land you would have seen real war. But when you have puppets like Choen and Jamie the kikes tell you shit you eat it and ask for more!!!

america is NOTHING!!! Your "technology" is mainly stolen and designed by people from other countries, even if second generation. the atomic bomb was made by ex nazi scientists and other countries.

Osama Bin Laden is a HERO!!!! I support his actions. He's not radical enough!
Allbright is an old kike who is part of the Fourth Reich!! She's a devil worshiper along with "Clinton de Fuck". Your time will come american scum!!
#22 by "GhostinmyShell"
2001-01-14 04:55:35
ghostinmyshell@triad.rr.com
If this is a prank fuck him...

but if not, good luck and sorry...
#23 by "EvilivE"
2001-01-14 04:58:08
satanas@worldmailer.com
LOL@The Punisher.

Someone forget to take their medication today?
#24 by "1"
2001-01-14 05:17:30
primer55@g33k.net
Andy's just bitter because Lowtax tore such a huge strip off of him... It actually hasn't been Lowtax's fault either, he is told he will be paid, and then he isn't. How could he possibly be blamed for this? ..... I'm waiting. If I lie to you, it's my fault - not yours for believing me.

_1!
#25 by "WarrenMarshall"
2001-01-14 05:47:23
warren@epicgames.com
EvilivE (#23):
LOL@The Punisher.

Someone forget to take their medication today?

No, he took his regular dosage of vitamin T (troll).

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#26 by "Barneyque"
2001-01-14 05:59:49
barneyque@hotmail.com
<b>#25</b> "WarrenMarshall" wrote...
<quote><B>EvilivE</B> (#23):

<quote>LOL@The Punisher.

Someone forget to take their medication today?</quote>
No, he took his regular dosage of vitamin T (troll).

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)</quote>

Personally, I'm getting quite tired of this type of bullshit, and I'm about ready to see if Optus@home isn't willing to lend a bit of a hand here.

That garbage does not fit into troll catagory. I'm just quite tired of seeing it, and I'm tired of ignoring it.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#27 by "JMCDaveL"
2001-01-14 06:05:36
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com
Oh god not this again. Guys if Morn wants the guy banned he will ban him, but lets not make this some personal holy war again.

--jmc
~wouldn't know what to do without his pianist~
#28 by "paul"
2001-01-14 06:11:36
pbullman@webhitzone.com
The Punisher:

america is NOTHING!!! Your "technology" is mainly stolen and designed by people from other countries, even if second generation. the atomic bomb was made by ex nazi scientists and other countries.


I support your right to free speech, no matter how ignorant it is. You say America is nothing, then you say that people who came to America did great things. Exactly, this is a country of immigrants of which many have become successful.

Osama Bin Laden is quite misguided. He is a sick individual who is wrongly defending a great religion. Muhammad would be very disapointed in how he has acted. Islam is a great and vast life style, but as with all other religions, there are going to be a few wacko's who make the entire thing look poor.


The special interest groups that RUN that country are primarily all those "type" of people I mentioned many a time before.


Special interest groups in the US are how the system is designed to work. People give money for causes, and those causes scream and shot all night long until their voices are heard. As with many things, I believe there are groups which go way to left, as those who go way to right.

One more thing, I need your help. While eating pasta, I splashed a little sauce on my white t-shirt. Knowing your belief system, I figured you,  The Punisher, would know how to get this stuff out of my shirt. Get it?

- Paul
#29 by "The_Punisher"
2001-01-14 06:18:44
mario_lowang@hotmail.com
paulie; how can I help you ??

no i don't "get" it... i'm too dumb...

but maybe if you mean about race, there's simply no use to "clean" it. it shall be spoiled forever. just burn it ASAP!!!!

mmmmmm pasta!!
#30 by "WarrenMarshall"
2001-01-14 06:27:39
warren@epicgames.com
JMCDaveL (#27):
Oh god not this again. Guys if Morn wants the guy banned he will ban him, but lets not make this some personal holy war again.

Fuck him.

~wouldn't know what to do without his pianist~

Fuck him too.

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#31 by "The_Punisher"
2001-01-14 06:28:34
mario_lowang@hotmail.com
hey warren you rich bastard...

what makes me a troll you dumb polak, you're polish right ??? whatever.....

i mean what IS a troll ??? what do i hide ??? my REAL name ??? i like most others choose a "cool" or "fun" or "whatever" nic, not to hide but most normal names are boring... etc....

do you want my real name ??? adress maybe ??? why ??? i could give it to you and others but WHAT FOR ??? tell me warren you stupid child, what EXACTLY would you do ??? it would just be silly. only about 0.02% of people who say shit on the net (threats etc) would ACTUALLY carry them out in the real world. and you think i'm scared ??? yeah..... (plus i'm ONE of those 0.02%)

ONLY if you lived close to me (no more the 50km out) would you "do"  something, like maybe drive to my address and throu tomatoes at my windows or some childish "petty" act.

also i don't use annonomizers and shit like that...... you don't really know the meaning of a real troll.

also if the authorities really wanted to find me the could easily do it... i'm not hiding....

you tell us all your current address and i tell you mine.....

then you'd have fools come visit you for shit, money, food, ideas..... nah thanks...
i'm a loner - i don't want "friends".......

DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
#32 by "The_Punisher"
2001-01-14 06:38:40
mario_lowang@hotmail.com
[26] Barneyque
---------------------------------------

HA HA HA!!!
It's ON you bitch!!!! It's ON!!!!
You and ME whoremonger!!!
It's WAR!!!!
Oh, please don't scare me!!!! Will I be prosecuted for racial taunts ???
Whatever will YOU do to me ???
You couldn't do jack shit looser cunt.... Go eat some more barries you monkey!!
#33 by "WarrenMarshall"
2001-01-14 06:39:49
warren@epicgames.com
The_Punisher (#31):
hey warren you rich bastard...

Yep, that's me.  Rich!!  Rich enough to buy god!

what makes me a troll you dumb polak, you're polish right ??? whatever.....

My nationality has what to do with this?

i mean what IS a troll ??? what do i hide ??? my REAL name ??? i like most others choose a "cool" or "fun" or "whatever" nic, not to hide but most normal names are boring... etc....

Never took an issue with your nick.  Mine's "Taskmaster".

do you want my real name ??? adress maybe ??? why ??? i could give it to you and others but WHAT FOR ??? tell me warren you stupid child, what EXACTLY would you do ??? it would just be silly. only about 0.02% of people who say shit on the net (threats etc) would ACTUALLY carry them out in the real world. and you think i'm scared ??? yeah..... (plus i'm ONE of those 0.02%)

Did you interpret my post as a threat?

also i don't use annonomizers and shit like that...... you don't really know the meaning of a real troll.

Well, thanks to you, whenever anyone asks me what the meaning of a troll is I can refer them to post #31.  Thanks!

also if the authorities really wanted to find me the could easily do it... i'm not hiding....

Didn't say you were?  Are you on the run?

you tell us all your current address and i tell you mine.....

I could, but what does it matter?  It has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.  It's not exactly hard to find ... do a few searches ...

i'm a loner - i don't want "friends".......

There's a surprise ...

DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

In a few years maybe ... having too much fun feeding trolls right now.

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#34 by "BloodKnight"
2001-01-14 06:40:09
bloodknight@somethingawful.com
<b>The_Punisher</b> (#31):
<quote>what makes me a troll you dumb polak, you're polish right ??? whatever.....</quote>

Maybe you should this group of white guys in pajamas and painted cones that burn crosses for a living, I think they are great for you

Flame or bitch if you want
<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#35 by "WarrenMarshall"
2001-01-14 06:40:24
warren@epicgames.com
The_Punisher (#32):
You couldn't do jack shit looser cunt.... Go eat some more barries you monkey!!


"loser"

"berries"

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#36 by "Desiato"
2001-01-14 06:42:46
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com
Sure, I could rant and so on -- but I think we all (mostly) agree that Andy's comment was in poor taste and shows once again that while some people restrain themselves from saying cruel and biting things, Andy seems to have been short-circuited in that department.

SA -- I'll miss you, that's for sure...

Flame on, humorless gits.


Desiato...
#37 by "WarrenMarshall"
2001-01-14 06:43:17
warren@epicgames.com
Desiato (#36):
Flame on, humorless gits.

Hey, don't lump me in there.  SA kicks ass ...

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#38 by "BloodKnight"
2001-01-14 06:44:54
bloodknight@somethingawful.com
<b>WarrenMarshall</b> (#37):
<quote>Hey, don't lump me in there. SA kicks ass ...

</quote>

Where is my warrinmon!
<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#39 by "toadwarrior"
2001-01-14 08:21:00
toadw@uplink.net
<b>#14</b> "Kelster" wrote...
<quote><B>[10] toadwarrior</B>:
<quote>It's not like SA required to be watche over 24 hours. </quote>
Creating daily content takes a huge chunk of energy and time.</quote>

I had a semi popular Gameboy site(no where near SA's level of popularity) but I updated it every day with atleast reviews and news everyday. It took about an hour, tops. Sorry but unless you're doing some real journalistic stuff, I can't see how it would take long to write up a CS review and some JeffK stuff. It's gotten old anyway since it's the same old stuff over and over.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#40 by "WarrenMarshall"
2001-01-14 08:23:03
warren@epicgames.com
toadwarrior (#39):
I had a semi popular Gameboy site(no where near SA's level of popularity) but I updated it every day with atleast reviews and news everyday. It took about an hour, tops. Sorry but unless you're doing some real journalistic stuff, I can't see how it would take long to write up a CS review and some JeffK stuff. It's gotten old anyway since it's the same old stuff over and over.

Just curious, how long did you run the site?  And how long was it updated EVERY day?

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#41 by "toadwarrior"
2001-01-14 08:36:07
toadw@uplink.net
<b>#31</b> "The_Punisher" wrote...
<quote>hey warren you rich bastard...

what makes me a troll you dumb polak, you're polish right ??? whatever.....

i mean what IS a troll ??? what do i hide ??? my REAL name ??? i like most others choose a "cool" or "fun" or "whatever" nic, not to hide but most normal names are boring... etc....

do you want my real name ??? adress maybe ??? why ??? i could give it to you and others but WHAT FOR ??? tell me warren you stupid child, what EXACTLY would you do ??? it would just be silly. only about 0.02% of people who say shit on the net (threats etc) would ACTUALLY carry them out in the real world. and you think i'm scared ??? yeah..... (plus i'm ONE of those 0.02%)

ONLY if you lived close to me (no more the 50km out) would you "do" something, like maybe drive to my address and throu tomatoes at my windows or some childish "petty" act.

also i don't use annonomizers and shit like that...... you don't really know the meaning of a real troll.

also if the authorities really wanted to find me the could easily do it... i'm not hiding....

you tell us all your current address and i tell you mine.....

then you'd have fools come visit you for shit, money, food, ideas..... nah thanks...
i'm a loner - i don't want "friends".......

DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1</quote>

Asshole<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#42 by "toadwarrior"
2001-01-14 08:42:03
toadw@uplink.net
<b>#40</b> "WarrenMarshall" wrote...
<quote><B>toadwarrior</B> (#39):

<quote>I had a semi popular Gameboy site(no where near SA's level of popularity) but I updated it every day with atleast reviews and news everyday. It took about an hour, tops. Sorry but unless you're doing some real journalistic stuff, I can't see how it would take long to write up a CS review and some JeffK stuff. It's gotten old anyway since it's the same old stuff over and over.</quote>
Just curious, how long did you run the site? And how long was it updated EVERY day?

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)</quote>

It was over a year, I'd have to look at the site but about 2 years and every day it was updated until about a few weeks before I canned it. That's why I quit, I wasn't keeping up so obviously I wasn't into it anymore.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#43 by "JMCDaveL"
2001-01-14 08:48:42
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com
Lowtax does a lot of art for the site too, not to mention flash etc.

--jmc
#44 by "toadwarrior"
2001-01-14 08:53:30
toadw@uplink.net
<b>#43</b> "JMCDaveL" wrote...
<quote>Lowtax does a lot of art for the site too, not to mention flash etc.

--jmc</quote>

True, but let's say it takes, even 5 hours. That's not enough time to not have a job. With some smart planning ahead of time, he can do alot of stuff on the weekends and release it over time on the weekdays and he doesn't have to do as much on the weekdays. It's not like he has to do fact checking or research like people do for magazines and stuff.<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#45 by "SpaceCadet"
2001-01-14 09:16:24
jackal33@home.com
[44] True, but let's say it takes, even 5 hours. That's not enough time to not have a job. With some smart planning ahead of time, he can do alot of stuff on the weekends and release it over time on the weekdays and he doesn't have to do as much on the weekdays. It's not like he has to do fact checking or research like people do for magazines and stuff.

teh funney moves in strange ways, it cannot be anticipated, or planned otherwise it will not be teh funney...........carry on f4g075
#46 by "None1a"
2001-01-14 09:32:15
none1a@home.com
You know I find this funny. When the topic of ad networks dieing comes up people go all aout clameing web sites should be ran because it's something you like to do not for money. Yet, now people are acting like Lowtax could not possibly have another job and do the web site.

What else strikes me as a bit odd that that lowtax sounded kind of suprised by efront delaying payment, yet it has happened before to him and ad networks are droping like flys right now. efront only has a few options right now, delay payment untill they can get some funds, cut back on sites, or kill the whole network. Wouldn't a normal person have expected something to happen and soon?  

I'd acctauly be expecting efront to anounce some network cutbacks in a next few weeks.
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#47 by "SafetyMonkey"
2001-01-14 09:33:43
jon@hardnews.org
SpaceCadet, I doubt you can even FATHOM how long it takes to respond to email when you run a site as big as SA.  Even if Lowtax doesn't respond or even read ALL of his email, I'll bet he reads most of it, and that can take HOURS.
Besides... writing content as funny as his shit can be a difficult process.  I'm nowhere near as good a writer as he is, but I'd imagine he still does a couple different drafts.
#48 by "WarrenMarshall"
2001-01-14 09:35:26
warren@epicgames.com
None1a (#46):
You know I find this funny. When the topic of ad networks dieing comes up people go all aout clameing web sites should be ran because it's something you like to do not for money. Yet, now people are acting like Lowtax could not possibly have another job and do the web site.

Nobody is saying that at all.  What's being said (at least on my side of it) is that IF he was getting paid the money he's owed, he COULD make a living at it.  But he's not, thus getting screwed, thus having to shut the site down which fucking sucks.

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Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#49 by "None1a"
2001-01-14 09:44:58
none1a@home.com
<b>WarrenMarshall</b> (#48):
<quote>Nobody is saying that at all. What's being said (at least on my side of it) is that IF he was getting paid the money he's owed, he COULD make a living at it. But he's not, thus getting screwed, thus having to shut the site down which fucking sucks.</quote>

But he's not getting paid becuae the ad networks don't have the money. It's not fair, nor is it right but if they have ran out of funds the first people to get screwed are those under contract. He's not being paid for the exact same reason combatsim has started charging, and the other ad networks have been dieing, the money just isn't there. <i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#50 by "GeorgeBroussard"
2001-01-14 10:07:18
georgeb@3drealms.com
Andy = hipocrit.  He basically just did what he always thought so badly of Scott and I for.  Kicking people when they are down.  Ala the Rebel Boat Rocker comments from Scott that Andy brought up over and over and over.

But now that it's something Andy cares about it...there are no groundrules.  Just slam away.  :)

Too bad about SA.  The site was very popular.  Maybe someone can host it and they can just stop some of the mega bakdwidth sucking things.
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