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No tits, no gore
December 7th 2000, 10:57 CET by Andy

Those of you looking forward to Giants: Citizen Kabuto may be surprised at a few last-minute graphical changes...

As noted on Blue's, the topless female character Delphi will now be fully clothed, and red blood has been changed to green. (Reminiscent of some UK versions of the 8-bit Renegade, released shortly after a mass-shooting, and the German versions of many modern games.)

Making these changes is a bit of a dodgy thing to do. Red blood and a topless character could be argued as minor touches, but these are the sort of features that do make a difference to a game's marketing.

Giants screenshots featuring the topless character (such as this one in the latest update to the official site) will have gone some way to creating a buzz of anticipation for the game.

And if screenshots had featured green blood all along, some hardcore gamers would certainly have been put off.

What's ridiculous about this is that the two graphical changes were, according to Tim Williams of developers Planet Moon, made so the game could get a Teen rating from the ESRB.

However, according to the ESRB web site, and even Interplay's own Giants site, the game has been given a Mature rating anyway, meaning that Wal-Mart, Toys R Us and Sears, among others, won't sell it to anyone under 17.

Gamers.com has reported that a patch will be released to restore the red blood, but it isn't known if a topless patch will be released. In an interview with Stomped, Tim Williams said simply, "No comment".

(And on a different note, have a look at Blue's thread on this news to see that when it comes to trolling, you can't beat a cocky young developer in a bad mood. Be sure to remember his comments on offensive language when his next game comes out.)
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#1 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-07 11:07:05
pianist@canada.com
FIRST POST!!!!!!!!! FUCK OFF WARREN MARSHALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#2 by "godZero"
2000-12-07 11:24:39
godzero@gmx.de
Damn it, Andy, you could as well copy the whoule news page from VE or Blues. If you're out of good topics, don't post any.
#3 by "godZero"
2000-12-07 11:25:00
godzero@gmx.de
"whole", I mean.
#4 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-07 11:43:58
pianist@canada.com
You're just mad because I got first post.
#5 by "datafox"
2000-12-07 11:50:59
datafox@yahoo.com
I do not care if the game plays good then that is all that really matters.

Anyways they are aliens so what should make them have red blood? Topless is important? Dang, then some one needs to get out more often.
#6 by "gimper"
2000-12-07 12:28:51
jeremyj@impactimaging.com
The red blood thing doesn't really matter, but the boobs?  If they didn't do it to change the rating, why did they do it at all?
#7 by "The_Punisher"
2000-12-07 12:47:58
mario_lowang@hotmail.com
[1] the_reformed_pianist (new!)
"FIRST POST!!!!!!!!! FUCK OFF WARREN MARSHALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I would like to bite off your foreskin with my teeth, you bitchwhore. Your pathetic attempts at "first posts" are meaningless and impress no one. And you are NOT the 1st post idiot. It was Andy with the story. Yours is merely a reply dickhead.



Re: Giants & similar stuff:

The utter RAGE that is inside me can not be comprehended by mere mortals and therefore I will not attempt an explanation. It's not really because of Giants itself but rather the way the industry as a whole acts regarding these matters. They are all driven by women and their special groups. More importantly Duke too may already be censored internally. A while back I read on 3drealms.com how Joe or the other mafioso, can't remember which exactly - was vigorously trying to take out the killing of bitches (prostitutes) from DNF. He was frothing at the mouth and pissing blood saying shit like:""Women have equal rights", "It's wrong", It feels like the whole act degrades women", etc....." The long correspondence I sent him got no reply. He probably sent copies to the sheriffs department to alert them of this guy's "problems". (Well.... maybe, I don't know) That "guy" being myself. It's ok to depict realistic violence of killing but Christ forbid anything that "degrades" women. The irony here is that DNF will most likely obtain (and even AIM) for a (M)ature rating. So then the REAL reason that such scenes would not be allowed is really because either special interest groups have pressured these rabbits into submission or because of "self" censorship by the company dictators; SM, JS, GB et all. I believe that Joe lost out in the end to the rest of the team and the scenes will be included. But that's NOT the point. In a lot of these cases because the developers are married their "partners" pressure them into changing the original software code to their idealism. They all suck and want the largest market to make the most money. They are puppets of their masters.

The point is all these bandits are screwing us. They should all take a leaf out of Raven's book regarding SoF and follow it closely. No guts no glory, eh Broussard ?!?
What you must all realize is that the PC games industry is heading towards the console market strategy. That means games rated no higher then (T)een, and their play size diminishing greatly. This way the bandits can churn them out at a rate of one to two (per title) a year just like the PSX crap. Flood the market with kids shit. Sure a few good games will still come out once in a while from the champions of the industry, but that will be the exception rather then the norm.


Re: Changing certain "heavy marketed" portions from games.

I also STRONGLY believe this to be a new form of deceptive advertising scheme. This coupled with the atrocious Red Alert 2 Eifel tower stunt is only the beginning. As if the cats at Westwood/EA didn't research the fact that the tower and it's names are patented or whatever. Hail to the king, baby!!

And the censorship has only started.
#8 by "Andy"
2000-12-07 13:04:26
andy@meejahor.com
Punisher -- "the atrocious Red Alert 2 Eifel tower stunt" -- Can you fill me on this? From what you said it sounds like they took it out of the game for trademark reasons, is that right?
#9 by "Morn"
2000-12-07 13:09:19
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<quote>(Reminiscent of some UK versions of the 8-bit Renegade, released shortly after a mass-shooting, and more recently the console versions of Unreal.)</quote>
And basically the German versions of almost all games containing blood.

- Morn
#10 by "Skunk"
2000-12-07 13:31:20
skunk@gameplay.com
The main reason as far as I could tell was that they were afraid that some stores wouldn't stock the game if it had a topless blue woman in it...

I don't know much about US stores (living in the UK) but at a guess this is the big 'family' stores like Walmart.  In the UK if Woolworths (a huge high street retailer) don't stock a music album it's chances of getting into the top ten of the charts are practically zero.  I'm guessing that the same goes for WalMart in the US.

I want breasts dammit!
#11 by "The_Punisher"
2000-12-07 13:32:51
mario_lowang@hotmail.com
[8] Andy (new!)
Punisher -- "the atrocious Red Alert 2 Eifel tower stunt" -- Can you fill me on this? From what you said it sounds like they took it out of the game for trademark reasons, is that right?  


YES SIR!!!

At least all reasonable people would assume THAT, since they really haven't said shit about it. Pig bastards. They renamed it to the "Paris tower", and it loos like utter crap. Almost everyone hates it and the deception Westwood/EA pulled. Even now the EB magazine adds still show the ORIGINAL tower. Look in a PC Gamer (or other PC games magazine) for the usual 3/4 page add from EB and see it there.

Oh the rage...... oh the HUMANITY!!!
#12 by "The_Punisher"
2000-12-07 13:35:39
mario_lowang@hotmail.com
Attention: Morn

Please answer my e-mail.


Thank you....
#13 by "The_Punisher"
2000-12-07 13:39:44
mario_lowang@hotmail.com
Attention: Morn

NO NEED. SORRY. I JUST REFRESHED MY ACCOUNT NOW AND IT'S THERE.

Thank you....

;-)
#14 by "PiMuRho"
2000-12-07 14:38:56
pimurho@blueyonder.co.uk
Punisher:
In all the newsgroups and message boards I read, I've not seen a single person complain about the "Paris Tower". Point of fact, I just loaded RA2 to have a look. No, it's not an exact replica of the Eiffel Tower, it's different in that a) The summit is slightly different, and b) There are two circular platforms part way up. It looks to me just like it's been fortified, in keeping with the game. Do you want to complain about the scale of it while you're at it?
I don't doubt that it was changed due to copyright reasons. IIRC an interview with the lead designer a while back covered it, saying that they had to change the name of a few monuments due to possible trademark infringement.
It hardly ruined the game, did it?

PiMuRho
#15 by "Foogla"
2000-12-07 15:40:13
Foogla@Somethingawful.com
I think his point was:

They advertise (I assume previews = ads) with the Eiffel Tower, but deliver another (even if so slightly altered) thing. Just like it's going to happen with Giants.

It may not hamper the gameplay, and may not diminish it's value, but it sets a precedent for marketing.
#16 by "AshRain"
2000-12-07 15:48:48
ikhier@wish.net
[10] Skunk wrote:
I want breasts dammit!


I hope you mean that in the healty kind of way. :)
#17 by "PiMuRho"
2000-12-07 16:24:38
pimurho@blueyonder.co.uk
It's also perfectly feasible that the screenshot with the Eiffel Tower on was produced BEFORE they had to change the details. I don't think they set out to deliberately mislead anyone, as it's hardly a huge game-selling feature.

PiMuRho
#18 by "Milamber"
2000-12-07 17:00:25
milamber@amoeba.com.au
I find this hugely amusing. The company rushes to make fairly major art changes at the last minute and risks jeopardising the entire game in order to get a general rating, and then fail to do so anyway. I'd be interested to know what rating Red Alert 2 got, I presume that it's also rated as mature.

You American's preoccupation with nudity is almost comical. Sure, Australia isn't as liberal as Europe but I think we've got the balance between protecting children from violent media and then protect children from nudity (which is always questionable, why do they need to be protected from the human body?) a little more sorted out than in the states.
#19 by "JMCDaveL"
2000-12-07 18:32:12
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com
All I can say is... that's so gay!

--jmc
~Sarcasm is wasted on the stupid~
#20 by "JamSandwich"
2000-12-07 19:27:18
jmason@rhino.nildram.co.uk
Reading the Blues comments cracked me up, one guy saying how he'd waited for years for this game, it was his major hope, and now because of this there's "no fucking way I'm gonna buy it".

Cretin.
#21 by "SteveBauman"
2000-12-07 19:31:31
steve@manic-pop-thrills.com
Nudity and violent content is removed from movies all the time to get PG-13 or R rating.

Would people be this upset if they replaced or redesigned a model in the game? Maybe one of the monsters looked crappy and they subbed in a new version. Would people create petitions to reinstate the older version?

If it doesn't affect gameplay, what's the big deal? Where you playing it for the nipples?
#22 by "Zachack"
2000-12-07 19:39:19
zcrounds@earthlink.net
If I'm not mistaken Interplay will have the ESRB re-evaluate the game now that the blood/boobage has been removed and hope for a teen rating.
#23 by "None1a"
2000-12-07 20:45:39
none1a@home.com
What gets me is that it was done simply to get it into a few chain stores (now if they had said it was removed becuase the red blood and boobs had no baring on gameplay and wanted a wider audinace I can get). It might not be a big deal with Giants but this could be a sign of things to come.

I really wish these stores would reevaluate the policy and simply not sell the stuff to kids rather then no stocking it at all (they have no problems selling R rated movies, cigarettes, beer, and guns to adults, doing the same with video games shouldn't cause a problem).
#24 by "bago"
2000-12-07 21:29:55
manga_rando@hotmail.com
T&A influx reported on planetcrap. Report at eleven.
#25 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-07 21:41:37
warren@epicgames.com
godZero (#2):
Damn it, Andy, you could as well copy the whoule news page from VE or Blues. If you're out of good topics, don't post any.

Uhh, this is a VERY good topic.  What's wrong with it?

datafox (#5):
Anyways they are aliens so what should make them have red blood? Topless is important? Dang, then some one needs to get out more often.

No, what's important is making the game the way you want to, and not caving into pressure at the last second and changing things just to make marketing happy.

The_Punisher (#7):
I would like to bite off your foreskin with my teeth, you bitchwhore. Your pathetic attempts at "first posts" are meaningless and impress no one. And you are NOT the 1st post idiot. It was Andy with the story. Yours is merely a reply dickhead.

Hey, I ignore him.  You should to.  :)

SteveBauman (#21):
If it doesn't affect gameplay, what's the big deal? Where you playing it for the nipples?

I think it's the principle of the thing.  Tons of screenshots show to us over the last year, everyone seeing what the game looks like etc ... then at the last second, "Well, the main character now looks different and the blood is green.  Enjoy!"

I hope they release some shots of the game in the new format so people can see what it looks like now before expecting them to buy it ...

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)
#26 by "Hulka"
2000-12-07 21:42:01
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com
I was born a poor black child
#27 by "BloodKnight"
2000-12-07 21:50:14
bloodknight@somethingawful.com
Why the tits in the first place?
#28 by "SteveBauman"
2000-12-07 21:50:37
steve@manic-pop-thrills.com
I think it's the principle of the thing. Tons of screenshots show to us over the last year, everyone seeing what the game looks like etc ... then at the last second, "Well, the main character now looks different and the blood is green. Enjoy!"

Well, tons of games haven't looked exactly like the initial images. Stuff is removed, models changed, levels tweaked...

But I agree this is an odd change to make so late in the game (pun intended). And it didn't work; the game still got an "M".

I hope they release some shots of the game in the new format so people can see what it looks like now before expecting them to buy it ...

I would hope people base their buying decisions on more than screenshots... I can say this game is actually pretty cool (of what I've seen of it).
#29 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-07 21:54:12
warren@epicgames.com
SteveBauman (#28):
I would hope people base their buying decisions on more than screenshots... I can say this game is actually pretty cool (of what I've seen of it).

Well, yeah, but until a demo comes along all you've got to base your buying decision on is screenshots and marketing hype.  Ignoring the hype, you at least want to have some faith that the screenshots you've seen accurately portray the game ...

---

Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)
#30 by "asspennies"
2000-12-07 22:28:18
asspennies@somethingawful.com
About the aside, (GreenMarine's comment about the current use of the word 'gay'), I find it strange that people are actually offended by this.

It has become an element of popular culture that "gay" no longer is a pejorative term for homosexuality - at least not exclusively so - and now simply applies to anything worth derision.

One could point out that this may be because of society's traditionally derisive view towards homosexuals - that's certainly a valid argument - but I believe the term has "evolved" past that - insomuch as the evolution of an offensive slang word can evolve.

Still, I would argue that when someone points out something as "gay" - or, as has become all the rage, calls someone a "fag," they are not saying "You are a homosexual."  They are simply saying "I don't like/approve of what you're doing/stand for."

To make a long story short, I don't think it's something for people to be offended by.
#31 by "CharlieWiederhold"
2000-12-07 22:33:45
charliew@3drealms.com
Punisher: DNF isn't being censored one bit (other than trying to stay with good taste, which for 3DR good taste is way beyond what is bad taste for "normal people" anyways, har!). Even if Joe didn't like the content in the game he would have no say, he's the web guy... not one of the developers and even barring that in the end it is George who has the final say.

Charlie Wiederhold
#32 by "GeorgeBroussard"
2000-12-08 01:55:53
georgeb@3drealms.com
Even if Joe didn't like the content in the game he would have no say, he's the web guy... not one of the developers and even barring that in the end it is George who has the final say.


And I like blood and boobies.  And I figure most of the free world does as well.

So there...
#33 by "Dreamspeaker"
2000-12-08 05:28:14
ashvin@babylonia.flatirons.org
The changes themselves are fairly minor, and probably won't affect the game. If it was good before, it'll still be good now.

Having said that, I don't at all care for the changes, primarily due to the spirit and rationale behind their existence. I can perhaps understand changing red blood to green in order to attempt to garner a lower rating (and I fully support changing it back to *red*), but I completely and utterly fail to understand the problem with breasts. Consider the fact that Planet Moon are releasing a red blood patch, but not a "topless" patch; what does this say about our society?

BloodKnight wrote in #27...

Why the tits in the first place?

They're Sea Reapers (read: "sea nymphs"). Why on earth would they wear any clothes at all?

~~
Ignie Ferroque,
Ash. - "Non Facete Nobis Calcitrare Vestrvm Perinævm"
#34 by "webrunner"
2000-12-08 05:34:32
046105s@acadiau.ca
Back when Giants was first being hyped, I remarked something similar to "How the hell are they going to get it on shelves like that?" to my friend.

And now the answer is.. they didn't.  Came bloody close though... Funny, that.
#35 by "Dreamspeaker"
2000-12-08 05:34:57
ashvin@babylonia.flatirons.org
asspennies wrote in #30

Still, I would argue that when someone points out something as "gay" - or, as has become all the rage, calls someone a "fag," they are not saying "You are a homosexual." They are simply saying "I don't like/approve of what you're doing/stand for."

To make a long story short, I don't think it's something for people to be offended by.

Exactly! It's like all these silly people running around demanding that we not call them "niggers". I mean, that term is clearly not derogatory to black people, it's just a general term used to connote disapproval.

Hello? Anyone home?

Have you ever looked up the original definition of "faggot"? There's a very good reason why people aren't (or shouldn't be) fond of the term.

~~
Ignie Ferroque,
Ash. - "Non Facete Nobis Calcitrare Vestrvm Perinævm"
#36 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-08 06:14:38
pianist@canada.com
You're a gay nigger.
#37 by "brainjury"
2000-12-08 07:09:25
brainjury@mindspring.com
Why is this so surprising?

Why does everybody seem to think that this change was as "lastminute" as the Planetmoon people are saying? Obviously, changing the color of the blood was stupid and probably lastminute, but they knew a long time ago that they HAD to do something about those... those...  BREASTS!  if they wanted retailers in the USA to stock it. Sure, release the breastshots (er, screenshots) to the internet and create lots of hype, but  when it comes time to ship, well...  I'm sure that their "clothed" artwork has been final for some time .
 
Let's just say that they know that it will only be about 0.326 seconds after the game hits store shelves before there'll be a homemade patch or three to fix both the blood and the nudity. If they sell the adulterated version overseas, then maybe they'll sell a few more back into the US.

Reasonably, I expect that Hell will thaw out before a game with nudity becomes a big seller in the US.
#38 by "MrSparkle"
2000-12-08 15:36:24
jlm441@psu.edu
Bob Stevenson from PlanetMoon on the censorship and over seas editions of Giants from www.fgnonline.com

"We agree! Covering Delphi and changing the blood does suck! And indeed these changes were part of a last minute bid for Giants  to get a 'Teen' rating from the ESRB. It was only recently that the pressure has been mounting for us to cover her up or face crippling our potential distribution. That would obviously be completely crap for us as we've labored over this game for three years. And it is our finest game to date.

"Although we are now stuck with a 'Mature' rating, we may still have a chance at getting wider distribution if retailers step back and realize our game is not a 'danger' for the minds of America.

"Importantly, these changes were only for the US versions of the game. Elsewhere in the world, Giants will be seen as we originally meant it to be. As to whether we can revert these changes - 'no comment' at this point. Just know that our aim is true.

"Planet Moon's battle is to continue making games that are unique, fresh and truly entertaining. We are really proud of this game and we obviously want as many people to play it as possible."

Bob Stevenson
Co Founder
Planet Moon Studios


Ok, so there's gonna be nudity in non US versions of giants, anyone know any good place to order euro-pc games online?
#39 by "SteveBauman"
2000-12-08 16:35:42
steve@manic-pop-thrills.com
Y'know, this is a perfect example of why the FTC was right in going after the marketing of games.

Interplay saying, "Crap, we need to take out breasts and change the color of the blood to reach those teens" shows how cynical the industry can be. Isn't the fact you're committing genocide against aliens, regardless of how they're clothed or the color of their blood, the thing that makes it a "Mature" kind of game?

And for the people complaining about missing nudity. You do realize you don't actually SEE the front of the character while you're playing, right?
#40 by "FritzTheCat"
2000-12-08 20:17:27
illuminati@zombieworld.com
And I like blood and boobies.

Need to include  a pimpslap feature for the strippers, Duke has to get his money somewhere.
#41 by "Zachack"
2000-12-08 20:19:42
zcrounds@earthlink.net
The FTC only made a report.  They never said that they would go after games, movies, etc.  The fools in congress want to try screwing around like that.  And a few weeks ago the FTC came out and said (at least with regards to movies, and I would assume games too) that there is no way in hell that they will do anything that involves going after the companies.  One of the points they brought up is that some parents think it's ok to take kids to rated R movies (I saw Alien when I was a kid).  As a result, what qualifies as "appropriate" for different age groups varies, and there is no way to control it without crossing over into censorship (this is paraphrasing of what the FTC said).  If the studios were advertising NC17 movies on Nickelodeon, then yes, there would be a problem, because no one under 17 can see those movies.  But 6 year olds CAN see rated R movies if the parents say so.

What does this mean?  The FTC isn't going to do anything.  The idiots in congress (idiots in general) gnashed their teeth and said they would change the laws to give the FTC more power, or something.  God forbid they actually try to solve a real issue in this country, like when the boomers hit 65 and I'm forced to kill them to lower SS taxes.
#42 by "SteveBauman"
2000-12-08 20:44:50
steve@manic-pop-thrills.com
The FTC only made a report. They never said that they would go after games, movies, etc. The fools in congress want to try screwing around like that.

You're right. A more accurate way of saying that would have been "The FTC was correct in pointing a finger in their report at marketing" or something like that.

They hypocrisy of retailers boggles the mind. Wal*Mart will carry guns, R-rated movies, certain "offensive" CDs... yet they won't carry M rated games. I assume there are age restrictions on buying guns; if they're OK checking ID for that, why not games? Do they check ID for buying R-rated movies?
#43 by "Sgt_Hulka"
2000-12-08 21:27:00
rwaring@ameritech.net
No Gore?  I don't mind at all.  He's a wacko.
#44 by "Zachack"
2000-12-08 22:03:23
zcrounds@earthlink.net
Well, I'm guessing part of the reason no one checks id's much for movies is due to the fairly obvious insanity on the part of the MPAA.  They really, really need to revamp the ratings system, because as is stands movies are no longer being rated correctly.  This season had a perfect example.  The 6th Day got a PG-13 rating, even though it had people being violently killed (really violently) and body parts being shot off.  But it had no boobs or sex.  

On the other hand, Requiem for a Dream, one of the best movies of this year, and possibly ever, got an NC-17 rating (later pulled and left as NR).  Why?  From what I remeber of the MPAA reasons, it was because of the pretty graphic sex scene at the end (although I've seen much worse in R movies), the violence (not that much, really), and the drug use.  The hilarity is that this movie is the most anti-drug movie I have ever seen (although drugs are only a symptom of the real problem in both the movie and the book).  Show the scenes where someone is shooting up in an open sore to kids.  There goes the glamorization of drugs.

The MPAA and, to possibly an equal extent, the ESRB, are screwed up and need changing.  The problem is that they are heavily based on the US's totally fucked up system of laws and morals.  When insane amounts of violence is deemed "ok" but showing any part of the human body isn't,  you know that there is something fundamentally wrong.
#45 by "HANGxUPS"
2000-12-10 03:08:04
hangxups@planetquake.com
<b>asspennies</b> (#30):
<quote>
It has become an element of popular culture that "gay" no longer is a pejorative term for homosexuality - at least not exclusively so - and now simply applies to anything worth derision.
</quote>

Hmm... Just because it is popular doesn't make it right. I myself have said "gay" thousands upon thousands of times in the context of something being lame. I still use the term unfortunately, at least on IRC I do (because in #shortbus that is all we talk about). In real life however, I've completely stopped using it.

<u>We</u> love to say that it doesn't refer to homosexuals, that is just means something "lame," so it is "ok" to use the word. That goat bastard Eminem said that this is what he meant when he used the words "fag" and "gay" in his new album, but nonetheless it was pretty clear who he was talking about when he sang about hurting fags or whatever he sings about.

One of my best friends is gay, and there were a couple of times in the past when I had started ranting about how "fucking gay" such and such thing was. He didn't never said anything but it obviously didn't please him. So one day I got to thinking that gay denotes his group at a pretty official level one would say, unlike the word "nigger" which is just a derogative term for blacks and can be brushed off as ignorance/being a dick.

Now, following basic logic:
<i>homosexual = gay
gay = something worthy of ridicule to show dispice</i>
apply chain rule, and you get homosexuality is something of worthy of redicule to show disapproval and/or hate for. Even though we do not like to admit it, this is what we're doing everytime we use the word. We associate in our minds that homosexuality is wrong and a bunch of other bullshit. With that said- later.
<i><b></b></i><i></i><i></i>
#46 by "mortis"
2000-12-13 19:04:05
mortis@goddamnindependent.com
now why is it that Giants merits a topic on the subject, but noone mentioned the removal of boobies spurting milk or reefer smoking wisemen in FAKK2?!?

just curious...

^M^
#47 by "Therac"
2000-12-13 19:08:39
zenfnord@hotmail.com
#44 sorry, but I'm going to have to side with the MPAA on this one.  A drug-induced, anal dildo orgy definately qualifies it for an NC-17.  The bigger question would be why the fuck did Little Nicky get a PG-13.

Not like anyone's reading this.

BTW, I'm currently in the process of writing a letter (like a Paper-type letter) to the OFRB (Ontario Film Review Board) asking them to revisit thier policy of not rating video games after this Giants fiasco.  Not that it would have made a difference in this case, but just to alert them that the ESRB that they're putting thier faith in is subject to this kind of gross manipulation.  I'm not referring to the blood or the nudity specifically, but to the ability of a game developer to change the game to a more adult format after the game has been rated and is on store shelves.  If this ever does work on the ESRB, game companies *will* be doing it, and it's everyone's responsibility to be aware of this.
#48 by "Therac"
2000-12-13 20:02:21
zenfnord@hotmail.com
now why is it that Giants merits a topic on the subject, but noone mentioned the removal of boobies spurting milk or reefer smoking wisemen in FAKK2?!?


Probably because they didn't plan to put them back in in a patch after the game had been rated and was on store shelves.
#49 by "mortis"
2000-12-13 20:56:30
mortis@goddamnindependent.com
[48]:  ahhhhh, touche!  didn't think about that...although, as i understand it, the milk-spurting triggers in FAKK2 *can* be turned on, tho i dunno why you'd want to.
#50 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-13 21:58:31
warren@epicgames.com
Interesting tidbit ... saw Giants at the store yesterday ... all the artwork and screenshots on the box have Delphi topless.

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