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GameSpy: Piracy story 'a rumor'
December 4th 2000, 07:34 CET by Andy

GameSpy is backing away from earlier admissions that a hosted site had been used for piracy.

Last week we reported that a site hosted by PlanetUnreal was being used to advertise over 30 gigabytes of pirated games and movies. The site was subsequently removed.

PlanetUnreal site manager Peter Kemmerer confirmed the story:

"Upon discovering the reported activities here for the first time, as well as some other materials on the site that you don't mention which violate our hosting policy, TM Productions is being removed from PlanetUnreal."

However, GameSpy spokesman Frank Rogan today questioned the report's accuracy:

"It's a rumor story. Did you actually get any warez yourself or actually see someone getting warez with your own eyes?"

"Having a site be 'active' and actually getting warez are two different things. If I send you a text file saying I have the following applications ready to send to you, does that make me a pirate?"
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#1 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-04 07:46:51
pianist@canada.com
First!
#2 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-04 07:48:39
pianist@canada.com
By the way, sorry morn. Don't hurt me.
#3 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-04 07:50:10
warren@epicgames.com
the_reformed_pianist (#2):
By the way, sorry morn. Don't hurt me.

My ... don't you look intelligent.

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Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)
#4 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-04 07:52:01
pianist@canada.com
hmm.. got me there? I dunno... settle down...
#5 by "toadwarrior"
2000-12-04 07:54:07
toadw@uplink.net
Anyone that works for Gamespy is corporate whore.
#6 by "Vandal"
2000-12-04 07:54:18
tohle@hgames.com
First useful post! heh.
This is just another problem surfacing with the now-totally corporate Gamespy network. Here's my take on the issue - who cares? I mean, this happens daily on every other gaming network in the world, so why is Gamespy so much different? If you have a large network, sites are bound to violate hosting agreements... there just isn't any way for you to monitor every single site. If they violate the agreement, delete the site. It's as simple as that, and no one has to make a big deal out of it.
#7 by "Apache"
2000-12-04 07:55:39
apache@stomped.com
well, sites like geocities (which is owned by Yahoo) host an amazing amount of warez downloads, I would like to see a story about that.
#8 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-04 07:58:36
pianist@canada.com
How would you know, Apache????? TOUCHÉ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#9 by "Orpheus"
2000-12-04 08:05:03
RobertHeadley@email.com
.... Geocities and Tripod are so massively huge, its almost impossible for them to police hosted sights on their own, if you report a site, goign against the ToS, it will be removed tho. from tripod, or any other host for that matter.
sites like PU and other Game hosting sights, usually dont host more than 20 sites, so its more beleivable that they should be able to police their hosted sites.
#10 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-04 08:09:47
warren@epicgames.com
the_reformed_pianist (#4):
hmm.. got me there? I dunno... settle down...

Oh yeah ... will do sparky.

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Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)
#11 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-04 08:14:28
pianist@canada.com
Warren Marshall, you don't like me do you?
#12 by "Apache"
2000-12-04 08:14:57
apache@stomped.com
.... Geocities and Tripod are so massively huge, its almost impossible for them to police hosted sights on their own, if you report a site, goign against the ToS, it will be removed tho. from tripod, or any other host for that matter.


Well, big Planet sites are in the same situation here. Some of them have thousands of sub-sites (I worked on a few of the largest Planet sites a couple years ago) and they have pretty much free reign to host whatever the want, and there is no GameSpy police to keep them in line.

Maybe back when joost was in charge the network this stuff would not have happened, but now -- who knows?

Maybe they should create a warezspy program. :)
#13 by "szcx"
2000-12-04 08:25:07
nedocze@hotmail.com
and what if gsi did monitor every file on every hosted site?  would we see an article about that?  GameSpy Spies on Hosted Sites, perhaps?
#14 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-04 08:44:51
warren@epicgames.com
the_reformed_pianist (#11):
Warren Marshall, you don't like me do you?

I don't like first post stupidity.

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Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)
#15 by "shaithis"
2000-12-04 08:45:21
cwb@cuse.org
I'll make you a deal, Andy... you get the get your coveted notoriety, you keep your half-assed, slanted articles, and I'll getcher baby!

*smacking lips*

-shaithis
(corporate whore)
#16 by "Chromag"
2000-12-04 09:01:20
chromag@planetcrap.com
What say we talk about the actual issue?  15 posts, with only 2 having anything to say about the topic at hand.

Yes, I'm the Chief of the Crap Topic Police tonight.

The two statements are not mutually exclusive.  Kemmerrer said "yes, it's obvious the guy was serving warez from our servers, he's gone, end of story."  Rogan is saying, "just because you found a list of his warez offerings with instructions for how to get them doesn't mean he actually DID serve warez from our servers."

We all know he was, but we can't prove it.  We don't have the logs.  GSi does.  They might check and verify it or not, but who really cares?  They're not going to tell us; why should they?

Does the FOIA apply to privately owned websites?  :P
#17 by "Rambar"
2000-12-04 09:07:25
rambar@homegettingablowjob.com
Does the FOIA apply to privately owned websites? :P


Hehe, private entities have have something similiar.  They call it a search warrent 'round my neighborhood.  I wonder how many aliens use GSI servers to plot human slavery?  
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Rambar
#18 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-04 09:08:22
pianist@canada.com
You're just jealous, Warren Marshall.
#19 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-04 09:28:50
warren@epicgames.com
the_reformed_pianist (#18):
You're just jealous, Warren Marshall.

Is there a reason you have to use my full name all the time?

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Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)
#20 by "superion"
2000-12-04 09:43:00
superion@spacemoose.com
"Having a site be 'active' and actually getting warez are two different things. If I send you a text file saying I have the following applications ready to send to you, does that make me a pirate?"


guess he's never seen a narcotics bust go down on cops or whatever. possesion with intent to distrubute?
#21 by "Barbarian"
2000-12-04 09:46:50
conanford@yahoo.com
Man, I wish I still had that old gamespy.com subdomain list (ls -d gamespy.com from nslookup).

There were some incriminating machine names in there: ripper.gamespy.com (gee what could that be?)...and some I can't remember.
#22 by "CreoleNed"
2000-12-04 09:52:49
cned@telus.net
*takes away bag of troll feed from Warren*

That's better. :)
#23 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-04 10:23:25
warren@epicgames.com
CreoleNed (#22):
*takes away bag of troll feed from Warren*

That's better. :)

Yeah, I was developing a strong suspicion.  Any more and I was going to be done with it.  :)

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Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)
#24 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-04 10:38:28
pianist@canada.com
CreoleNed, were you talking about Warren Marshall?
#25 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-04 10:42:46
warren@epicgames.com
the_reformed_pianist (#24):
CreoleNed, were you talking about Warren Marshall?

Ahh ... you were right Ned.  Why didn't I see it sooner.
*plonk*

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Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)
#26 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-04 11:07:12
pianist@canada.com
Warren Marshall, does that mean I am a troll?
#27 by "Milamber"
2000-12-04 11:11:08
milamber@amoeba.com.au
There were some incriminating machine names in there: ripper.gamespy.com (gee what could that be?)...and some I can't remember.

Erm, am I the only one who finds looking at subdomain names like this and from that making a judgement on software piracy completely absurd?
#28 by "the_reformed_pianist"
2000-12-04 11:12:26
pianist@canada.com
Yes.
#29 by "Milamber"
2000-12-04 11:12:47
milamber@amoeba.com.au
Warren, I wasn't aware you could *plonk* at this stage.

/me fires up Crapspy to see if it is working again
#30 by "Iazu"
2000-12-04 11:16:34
iazu@hotmail.com
Milamber#29
Warren, I wasn't aware you could *plonk* at this stage.

/me fires up Crapspy to see if it is working again


Yeah, does Warren know something we don't? I've been checking the crapspy page, crapola, and trying to browse through the topics ever since the new site went live, and havn't heard anything about Crapspy being active again. I *did* download a script from the Crapspy page, but since the entries have no date on 'em I couldn't tell wether or not it was new. Either way, even after downloading it, Crapspy's still non-functional :(
#31 by "piramida"
2000-12-04 18:14:31
piramida@agsm.net
Craig is artificially bloating the demand for the new Crapspy, so right now it is going for $30 on the black market. Just ask your local IRA CrapSpy dealer.

But I also heard rumours of this thing they call "beta", which I also heard was damn stable for the beta, which we might all see soon... /me looks at Craig suspiciously :)
#32 by "GhostinmyShell"
2000-12-04 18:23:20
ghostinmyshell@triad.rr.com
Okay again what about www.classicgaming.com...anyone?
#33 by "Barneyque"
2000-12-04 18:36:43
barneyque@hotmail.com
Policing (did I spell that right?), a GSI subsite, that is using 30Gb's on a server should stick out like an elephant in a phone booth. And if it had taken off, the traffic would have been indicator #2.  The traffic costs good money I hear, and they would have been all over it like a fat kid on a smartie.

How big is an HTML file these days?  Mabey I'm in the dark ages.

The comments from GSI spokesman Frank Rogan are interesting in that it almost seems to imply hosting 30Gb of warez is OK, as long as you can't proove anyone actually got any. While Frank never actually came out and saying the warez never existed, the comment from PlanetUnreal site manager Peter Kemmerer seems to confirm the initial report.


He apparently had this to say:
"It's a rumor story. Did you actually get any warez yourself or actually see someone getting warez with your own eyes?"


Instead of asking Andy (I'm guessing), that question, he should have been talking to Peter about that.  My guess is that he did do just that, and what we see here is a spokesman doing what spokesmen do at the guidance of the PR department.  In the real world, we just call it a CYA job.


As for his next comment:
"Having a site be 'active' and actually getting warez are two different things. If I send you a text file saying I have the following applications ready to send to you, does that make me a pirate?"


This is stupid.  The first sentence while technically correct is not the point.  If the files were their, then it would have taken almost no effort to get the material removed if it had not been voluntarily.  The second sentence just looks plain stupid without seeing the context in which it was made.


Having said all that, I suspect this story on PC is also a CYA piece. While it is done in typical PC fashion, leaving no doubt that the writer would prefer to stand by the origional story, this one can only exist for two reasons.  It is either an attempt to stick another sword in the side of GSI, or it is a reluctant addition to the site in the true spirit of CYA probably motivated by GSI.


Eitherway, from what I can tell, GSI might have had a bad apple with some space, and they removed it.  It's not hard to imagine that they would like to deal with things like this in as quiet a manner as possible. It's none of our business when it's delt with promptly as it appears it has.

The only way this becomes an interesting story is if it can be somehow shown that GSI endorsed the site.  And I don't see where anyone has made that claim.  

Next.
#34 by "szcx"
2000-12-04 18:52:42
nedocze@hotmail.com
Policing (did I spell that right?), a GSI subsite, that is using 30Gb's on a server should stick out like an elephant in a phone booth


andy said in his original post that the warez weren't hosted on gsi's servers.  the only thing there was a text file.  there's no evidence of files ever having been exchanged through the gsi network or otherwise.
#35 by "timmie"
2000-12-04 19:11:47
timstump@telus.net
#14, how can you not like first post stupidity??  It's the high point in an otherwist dull day for me :)
#36 by "Chromag"
2000-12-04 19:16:43
chromag@planetcrap.com
#29 - Milamber and #30 - lazu:

Craig has his own Crapspy crapola up - crapspy.planetcrap.com.  He has some notes there about the new version.

I guess I'm not the Chief of Crap Topic Police today.
#37 by "GhostinmyShell"
2000-12-04 20:10:31
ghostinmyshell@triad.rr.com
Wait a second here, where does it say he intended to put all 30 gigs of data on GSI's server?  I doubt he would have been that stupid.

Other then that, based on what that GSI guy said, then why isnt the site back up with the naughty list removed, if nothing was wrong eh?
#38 by "WarrenMarshall"
2000-12-04 20:17:53
warren@epicgames.com
Milamber (#29):
Warren, I wasn't aware you could *plonk* at this stage.

It's close.  ;)

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Warren Marshall
Level Designer/Programmer/Corporate Shill
Epic Games (www.epicgames.com)
#39 by "Hulka"
2000-12-04 20:28:34
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com
shhhhhhh...


For anyone interested, I have a Warez copy of Notepad at
http://www.hulka.com/doublesecretdirectory/notepad.exe
#40 by "Lucky"
2000-12-04 20:58:58
lucky@planetduke.com
*Yawn*  Andy, when you make a point, try not to disprove the goddamn thing immediately with someone else's quotes. Or would that clash with your m4d "journalism" skillz?
#41 by "Needle"
2000-12-05 01:11:42
mrklp@hotmail.com
How this is a story?  Both of the quotes are accurate.

Kemmerer admits the site was violating GSI's hosting policy and they were removed because of it.  Rogan doesn't appear to be denying the site's existence, only pointing out that no software was actually transferred through the site.
#42 by "QAPete"
2000-12-05 05:13:02
qapete@planetunreal.com
Needle is correct.  You should hire him to run your legit news site.

Now, I have to go, I'm working feverishly on WarezSpy for Apache, Lowtax and everyone else that put in time at GSI in the old days.  After all, they deserve SOMETHING for their hard work!  ;-)

Pete
-PlanetUnreal
#43 by "bago"
2000-12-05 05:20:17
manga_rando@hotmail.com
I think the quality bar VS number of stories ratio has just been flipped.
#44 by "toadwarrior"
2000-12-05 07:45:16
toadw@uplink.net
I hope warezspy will be bloated! =)
#45 by "Preacher"
2000-12-05 11:49:49
preacher@unreality.org
Andy, if QAPete is bothering you, then just tell him to shag off :)
#46 by Squeaky
2008-08-15 10:32:08
I am an asshole.

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