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King of the cons
November 29th 2000, 18:50 CET by Andy

When horror author Stephen King decided earlier this year to release his new book over the Internet, trust was an important factor.

Fans could download chapters of The Plant for free, but were trusted to pay $1 each time. If more than 25% of downloaded chapters weren't paid for, King said, the deal was off and he wouldn't write any more.

The experiment was a surprise success, and the book continued. Many fans even paid more than $1 per chapter to make up for those that didn't.

Now, after five chapters have been posted, King has decided to stop writing it. He'll post one more chapter, for free, and then no more for "a year or two" while he works on other projects. The last time he tried writing The Plant, and gave up, "the story remained dormant for 19 years".

So it seems the first big experiment in trust-based Internet publishing has failed. Just not in the way people were expecting.
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#1 by "IlIIllllI1"
2000-11-29 18:56:26
iliilllli1@msn.com
first!!
#2 by "paul"
2000-11-29 19:04:13
pbullman@webhitzone.com
seconds!
#3 by "paul"
2000-11-29 19:06:03
pbullman@webhitzone.com
Maybe someone will hit him with a car again.

I expected King to actually finish the book, then start posting chapter by chapter.

- Paul
#4 by "Frijoles"
2000-11-29 19:10:20
aarona@cc.usu.edu
That is so lame. Did people pay for single chapters or the whole thing? I imagine it was just for the chapter. Great model for future success.
#5 by "Fortyseven_BTEG"
2000-11-29 19:10:36
47@apple2.com
I'm sure he doesn't give a shit...he probably figures people will be burned for a little while, but come crawling back.  "Who's your daddy?" mentality.

What a dick.
#6 by "szcx"
2000-11-29 19:16:43
nedocze@hotmail.com
the impression i got was that king hasn't stopped the project, it's simply on hold while he works on other things.

by the way, here's the actual quote regarding the "dormant for 19 years" bit;

The last time The Plant furled its leaves, the story remained dormant for nineteen years. If it could survive that, Iím sure it can survive a year or two while I work on other projects.


... way to spin the story there, Andy.
#7 by "gabe"
2000-11-29 19:24:47
gakruger@hotmail.com
I had paid for the first two installments. I finally did the calculations and realized I was going to end up paying quite a bit for something I didn't even have a hard copy of, so I stopped reading.

It is too bad that he has done this. Shaming the downloaders into paying and not following through on his end. I always assumed that there was an implicit (if not explicit) promise on his end to actually finish the story that people had paid to start reading...
#8 by "szcx"
2000-11-29 19:26:50
nedocze@hotmail.com
oops, left an important piece out of the quote;

Yet donít despair. The last time The Plant furled its leaves, the story remained dormant for nineteen years. If it could survive that, Iím sure it can survive a year or two while I work on other projects.
.

now, i love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next person, but this really doesn't sound like the sinister "warning" Andy makes it out to be.
#9 by "Hulka"
2000-11-29 19:39:32
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com
Makes me want to buy and mini van, and a dog, drive to Main with a case of brew in the back, and open a can of whoop ass on the fat bastard!  Creep.

I like some of his earlier work, but I'd rather him have this last chapter have all the characters die in a nuclear explosion than to not finish the book.  ALthough, if he kills off our favorite character, we might turn into that Misery chick and start going around HOBBLING people.
#10 by "Hulka"
2000-11-29 19:40:27
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com
Good god I hate this new keyboard.  I have to start using the preview option.

Buy a mini-van, and a dog, drive to MAINE.
#11 by "StoneDog"
2000-11-29 19:44:48
stonedog@stonedog.org
I was under the impression that he had finished 'The Plant' years ago, and had pulled it out of his trunk in the attic specifically to test the e-book concept.  If this is the case, I'm sure he was spending time editing and adding new material to flesh the puppy out, but still...

He should not have started this e-book installment thing without having all the installments ready to go from day one.  It's one thing to know beforehand that you'll only get to buy half the book initially, but quite another to drop this bomb on his faithful readers after they've spent a few bucks in good faith.

This is like being forced to pay for a shareware demo, and then being told that the full game won't be available for another year or more.  Hey, somebody want to check the rug?  I think it was pulled out from under our feet.
#12 by "Fortyseven_BTEG"
2000-11-29 19:49:18
47@apple2.com
I just realized something.  The default 'Crap color scheme reminds me of Season 1 of TNG...(!)
#13 by "asspennies"
2000-11-29 20:00:25
asspennies@somethingawful.com
Does anyone else wonder why an author who is so unbelievably prolific is now having writer's block?

This is the guy who puts out, at minimum, two books a year.
#14 by "Chango"
2000-11-29 20:42:55
papa_chango@hotmail.com
I'm a big fan of Stephen King's work, although more so when he penned stories under the Richard Bachman pseudonym.  I was tempted to start paying for the installments of The Plant, but I figured I'd just go to Walden Books and buy some of his older stuff in the bargain bin instead.

Now, I'm gald that I did.
The amount of guilt-pressure pleas he laid down all over his site to promote the dollar-per-chapter scheme was at the time a very obvious, in-your-face pitch.  But due to the 'new frontier of book publishing' that he proclaimed it to be, and the fact that this work genuinely did pay for itself in a very real way, his many pleas were more than validated.

There have been previous instances of King putting his work to bed for a year or more, but these were back in the days when he didn't create novella to a vivid schedule, dependent on external factors.  The books were done when they were done and they were published in their entirety at that time.

I'm sure few people appreciate more than King the importance of story being a whole.  A beginning, middle and end.  In your hand you have the entire tale.  Books do not lend themselves to drip-fed, real-time media too well.

Here is my topical parody of the day.  I think it illustrates what Mr. King has, in effect, done to his fans:

Stephen King: Knock knock.
SK Fans: Who's there?
Stephen King: I'll tell you in two years.  Thanks for your money.  Bye.

Disappointed in King, I am.

-Chango
#15 by "Ergo"
2000-11-29 21:26:00
stu@dsl-only.net
Hulka:

Don't worry about misspelling Maine. Once you get as bad as None1A, then I'll bitch. ;-)

There's a big difference between a typo and just NOT being able to spell.
#16 by "Desiato"
2000-11-29 21:26:02
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com
The deal was clear -- but he changed the rules.

Everyone pays -- over his percentage cap and he continues....but when he quits, isn't that a breach of trust? You would think that he would have a complete story to shop on the 'net in this fashion instead of cobbling chapters together...or perhaps Dickens was a hell of a lot better at it than he ever will be. (Writing in installments I mean...)

*sigh*

At least you can say people are more trusting than you may think at first....it's a shame to be "repaid" this way..

Desiato
#17 by "mortis"
2000-11-29 21:35:53
mortis@goddamnindependent.com
arghhh...glad i never bothered with the download.  on the UP side, maybe the bastard will finish the damn Dark Tower series! ;)  ahh well, at least i can hope...
#18 by "Morn"
2000-11-29 21:43:00
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
In an unprecedented display of style, Morn adds Amazon banners to PlanetCrap. Hey, I hear they have good books and games. ;-)

- Morn
#19 by "errhead"
2000-11-29 22:14:35
err_head@yahoo.com
$1 a chapter for something that doesn't even have to be printed is pure crapola
 at www.baen.com they release in 4 books a month. these are books that are going to be going on sale in 2 weeks in either hardcover or paperback. you get access to all 4 books for $10 which is a significant saving over buying even 1 of them in hardcover, and supposedly the authors make more for each electronic copy sold than they do for hardcopies.

Definately shows kings effort for the unlubed assrape it was
#20 by "JMCDaveL"
2000-11-29 23:55:21
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com
How many of you here actually paid for the book chapters? I suspect that might filter out quite a few of you.  Noone paid for the book, they paid for each chapter... the last "serial" King published was the Green Mile, and although that was print only he prefaced the first book stating that he might not finish it on time or at all.  So it just happened that this time he didn't want to finish it.  Anyone who has ever written anything has had the same feeling happen to them, you just don't want to bother with it anymore.  So he put it to rest, again.  Big deal.

Noone is being "raped" or "screwed", you didn't have to pay for anything, so he could charge 10 bucks a chapter if he wanted, its really just his perogative (sp? Bobby Brown?).  King has had it rough these last few years, read "On Writing" (Excellent book) and you'll understand why... sometimes even good authors get writers block.

Oh and thanks for the spin Andy, sometimes you really amaze me with how completely stupid you can be.

--jmc
~TAK!~
#21 by "Frijoles"
2000-11-29 23:58:57
aarona@cc.usu.edu
Morn said in #18
In an unprecedented display of style, Morn adds Amazon banners to PlanetCrap. Hey, I hear they have good books and games. ;-)


Heh, I didn't even see it, and it's bright red. :)  I am wondering how you get money from them. Do we have to buy anything or do we just have to click around on their site for a little bit?

Hey wait a sec...  Steven King.. Amazon. I see a connection. I won't buy any books from him!

Frij
*wanting to help out crapola.
#22 by "Laner"
2000-11-30 00:23:18
lanedenson@towmotor.net
The first installment was downloaded 250,000 times, and ~75% of that number sent their payment.  The latest installment was downloaded 40,000 times, and only half of that number paid.  It was never supposed to be much more than an experiment, anyway.  King saw that it wasn't going well, and decided to drop the experiment and move on.  No biggie.
#23 by "paul"
2000-11-30 01:01:15
pbullman@webhitzone.com
Frijoles:

Last time I checked Amazon.com only pays(well most people) a certain percentage of the items sold, plus so much for each new customer.

Amazon.com, at one point, was spending almost $17(if not more?) per new customer. Their goal is to lesson that by a lot.(angry investors)

- Paul
paul.planetcrap.com
#24 by "paul"
2000-11-30 01:01:40
pbullman@webhitzone.com
Frijoles:

Last time I checked Amazon.com only pays(well most people) a certain percentage of the items sold, plus so much for each new customer.

Amazon.com, at one point, was spending almost $17(if not more?) per new customer. Their goal is to lower that number by a lot.(angry investors)

- Paul
paul.planetcrap.com
#25 by "paul"
2000-11-30 01:02:17
pbullman@webhitzone.com
hey look at that, my first double post on the new crap!;-)
#26 by "EvilivE"
2000-11-30 01:03:45
satanas@worldmailer.com
I could care less about the internet story.  What King should (and I would be money that he is) be working on is the continuation of the Dark Tower series.  

Stick with game topics Andy, doesn't seem like you know much about King.
#27 by "shaithis"
2000-11-30 01:25:47
cwb@cuse.org
Here's my take on it. King almost died last year. That scares me. That scares a *shitload* of fans. That scares King. Why?

Because the Dark Tower series is his magnum opus. It is the best thing he's written, and the best thing he'll ever write. He knows it, and we (the fans) know it. He has fans *hammering* on him constantly to finish the series. He's 63. Could live to 120... but he could live to 65. You never know. I have the sneaking suspicion that between the steady lowering in demand for "The Plant" episodes, the unending increase in demand for the final three Dark Tower books, and the brush with death made him, as EvilivE points out, push back on everything else and get to work finishing up the series.

I want that series. I'm a big King fan (he's not brilliant literature, but he's a good read), and I will be thoroughly upset if he dies before that series is finished. Not mad at him for dying, of course, just unhappy that the work was never finished.

Fuck The Plant, fuck the fans, fuck the money. I don't care what he does or doesn't do. Deliver those last three books to me, and all else is more than forgiven.

Speaking of which, I have the sneaking suspicion that the last Dark Tower book will be the last King book... and it'll be held to be published post-mortem. He's blatantly tying all of his "universes" into that series, and it sorta makes sense that the final book in the series will be sort of a "Here ya go, this is what all of my work leads up to" package.

-shai
#28 by "mcgrew"
2000-11-30 02:06:30
mcgrew@famvid.com
First off, good job, Andy. As I write this (and it won't be posted until tonight 'cause my modem stopped again and I don't have time to fool with it) there is only one post besides the first post, so this won't be the trademarked "bigassed mcgrew post".

If I were a King fan I would be swearing off his writings until he finished it. I would be outraged.

Trust? So much for trust. As the movir producer character said in "The Dead Pool", "You know how to say 'fuck you' in Hollywood? 'Trust me!'"

King has ripped his fans off big time. He owes them all apologies, plus their money back.

If someone started a clas action suit for damages plus, I would cheer the suers.

I call on horror fans everywhere (this means Hulka and a few of my relatives) to scan and OCR all of the King books you have and post them on multiple tripos/geocities/whatever free internet sites.

And swear off Stephen King.

The above statements are null and void if andy skipped his homework, or left anything important out like he did in that one thread he and I went round and round in. I'm not going to email King like I did Jason Hall; I'm trusting Andy this time.


8   szcx "oops, left an important piece out of the quote;"
A year or two? Huh, I'm still with andy here


18   Morn "In an unprecedented display of style, Morn adds Amazon banners to PlanetCrap. Hey, I hear they have good books and games. ;-)"

Hey cool, the Crapfest and the Fragfest have the same banner! Hope you're not expecting a lot of cash, morn, mine is up as a joke (comes down Saturday)


22   Laner "The first installment was downloaded 250,000 times, and ~75% of that number sent their payment."

Not going well? Do the math; not a bad paycheck for a little typing.
#29 by "SubcommandantePedro"
2000-11-30 02:28:05
Subcom@zombieworld.com
You people who want to sue King make me laugh.  You have to love America, home of the frivolous lawsuit.  You folks are right up there with:

(1) the class action against Origin over Ultima Online;
(2) Amazon's litigation over its patented "One-Click technology";
(3) that guy who sued the Philadelphia Eagles back in the 1970s for fraud because they advertised themselves as a "professional" football team.

Go ahead, shake your meaty fists in righteous indignation.

(If if remember correctly, Evil Avatar is ready to rumble over this too.  Please cc me on all your court filings; I could use a chuckle.)
#30 by "Desiato"
2000-11-30 02:52:55
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com
Every country has its outlet of idiocy....witness the "hooligans" that follow European football teams around. Brussels (late 80's? early 90's)-- what a wonderful game, 30+ people killed, (the most excessive example, but there are many more that merely resulted in major brawls and destruction of stadium property..) many more trampled because English fans couldn't contain themselves. Yep -- idiots live in EVERY country, so while you feel smug poking fun at the obvious in the USA, remember that abroad you still have dolts to contend with - and no, not all of them are Americans claiming to be from Canada..(my god, do people still do that? it's idiotic..)

I guess it riles me when people make broad generalizations.

(Oh -- and to clear things up, not *all* football fans act this way, however some people have ruined it for many English fans when attending games in other countries...ticket restrictions, security, etc..)

Oh whatever -- back to watching the "Election in Court" painfully crawl to an end....

What bullshit.

Desiato
#31 by "SubcommandantePedro"
2000-11-30 03:24:43
Subcom@zombieworld.com
By the way, (1) I'm American, (2) I'm a lawyer.

I have seen my share of stupid lawsuits, and this one would take the cake.

I can think of nothing more entertaining than enraged King fans pursuing this in court.
#32 by "Dreamspeaker"
2000-11-30 03:26:58
ashvin@babylonia.flatirons.org
Desiato wrote in #16...

or perhaps Dickens was a hell of a lot better at it than he ever will be. (Writing in installments I mean...)


You don't even have to look that far back. Look at Joe Straczynski; sixty-four hours of consecutive television written and produced by his hand alone. Not at all shabby. (His work is also much better than Dickens' or Kings', IMHO).

Of course, he lost all his hair. Everything has its price, I suppose.

~ Ignie Ferroque,
Ash.  "Non Facete Nobis Calcitrare Vestrvm Perinśvm"
#33 by "shaithis"
2000-11-30 05:18:37
cwb@cuse.org
I sort of doubt that anyone writing for television is producing better work than Dickens did..

King... maybe. But Dickens? Come on. :)

-shai
(unless we're talking about someone other than Charles "Oliver Twist, Tale of Two Cities" Dickens)
#34 by "Zachack"
2000-11-30 06:40:41
zcrounds@earthlink.net
[27] I thought King was only 51 or so....
#35 by "GeorgeBroussard"
2000-11-30 06:43:25
georgeb@3drealms.com
Simplemath probably.  He realized he could make more money by doing a book the traditional way.

Glad I didn't get suckered into it.  People just spent $10 for nothing.

Hey, we'll release DNF with 1 level for $9.  As long as people buy each additional level for $9 at a 75% rate we will keep releasing them on a monthly basis.  It will take you 2 years to play the game and we'll make $200 off you, but we only have to make ONE level to get going.

Come on.  Embrace the future!
#36 by "GhostinmyShell"
2000-11-30 07:08:20
ghostinmyshell@triad.rr.com
#35 Some would argue we do that with Quake 3 already ;-)

We paid 50 for the engine last year, and the latest installment that finishes the game will be out this christmas ;-)
#37 by "shaithis"
2000-11-30 07:31:06
cwb@cuse.org
Zachack -

Hmm... I could be wrong. I was pretty sure he was older than that, but I haven't actually looked it up or anything.

-shai
#38 by "Andy"
2000-11-30 07:43:51
andy@meejahor.com
He's 53.
#39 by "EvilivE"
2000-11-30 07:55:45
satanas@worldmailer.com
mcgrew -- "If I were a King fan I would be swearing off his writings until he finished it. I would be outraged."


If you were a king fan you would want him to finish The Dark Tower series above all.  It is his masterpiece.
#40 by "Dreamspeaker"
2000-11-30 09:43:14
ashvin@babylonia.flatirons.org
shaithis wrote in #33...

I sort of doubt that anyone writing for television is producing better work than Dickens did..


Keep in mind that Dickens' works were, essentially, the television of that era. They are today classified as "literature" largely due to their popularity when they were first published.

While Dickens' works have interesting facets to them, they also have what are in my opinion some fairly serious flaws, many of which are common to most Romance-era novels. Reading Dickens' novels, I always get the sense that there are far more characters than the story requires. Rather than create a few, complex characters, he has a tendency to create rather one-dimensional literary creatures, layering many of them atop one another to give the reader the impression of depth. Also, coincidence and happenstance have their place in any story, but Dickens (and, again, many Romance-era novelists) uses them to an extent that I consider extreme. Beyond the pulpy intrigue that one gets upon discovering the characters' interpersonal relationships, their relations don't help the story, and I rather believe that they murder suspension of di belief -and by corollary, the story itself.

I'll take B5 over Dickens any day.

~~
Ignie Ferroque,
Ash. - "Non Facete Nobis Calcitrare Vestrvm Perinśvm"
#41 by "palutke"
2000-11-30 15:41:33
kcpalutke@tasc.com
King has ripped his fans off big time. He owes them all apologies, plus their money back.

If someone started a clas action suit for damages plus, I would cheer the suers.


I bought all five episodes.  I don't feel ripped off at all.  I don't want Stephen King's apologies or his money.  From the author's note at the end of installment 5, the book will be taken to a logical stopping point, then shelved.  It might be revived, it might not.  Oh, well, that's life.  I got my $10 worth.  Maybe not as much value as a paperback edition of a good book, but more than a first-run movie or the $65 ticket to a hockey game I saw last night (Go Wings!).

I call on horror fans everywhere (this means Hulka and a few of my relatives) to scan and OCR all of the King books you have and post them on multiple tripos/geocities/whatever free internet sites.


So if George B decides to implement the scheme he (sarcastically, i hope) described earlier, you'll warez DN4, plus all 3drealms's previous work?

And swear off Stephen King.


Vote with your dollars, man.  I'll be voting with mine.

Not going well? Do the math; not a bad paycheck for a little typing.


Not a bad gross.  Now consider that the .pdf was 140k, and 250k people downloaded it.  Bandwidth isn't free.  On top of that, I'm sure Amazon took a small cut as compensation for collecting the money.  By episode five, far fewer people were downloading, a lower percentage were paying, and the .pdf is 748k.

I'm not suggesting that King didn't end up making a good amount of cash on the deal, but he doesn't quite have a license to print his own money yet.


Just for the record, here's the entire author's note, so we won't have to argue about the context people's quotes.  I hope the copyright police don't come for me :)

Following next monthís installment of this story--next monthís very long
installment of this story--The Plant will be going back into hibernation so that I
can continue work on Black House (the sequel to The Talisman, written in collabo-ration
with Peter Straub). I also need to complete work on two new novels (the
first, Dreamcatcher, will be available from Scribnerís next March) and see if I canít
get going on The Dark Tower again. And my agent insists I need to take a breather
so that foreign translation and publication of The Plant--also in installments, also
on the Net--can catch up with American publication. Yet donít despair. The last
time The Plant furled its leaves, the story remained dormant for nineteen years. If
it could survive that, Iím sure it can survive a year or two while I work on other
projects.

Part 6 is the most logical stopping point. In a traditional print book, it would
be the end of the first long section (which I would probably call ďZenith RisingĒ).
You will find a climax of sorts, and while not all of your questions will be an-swered--
not yet, at least--the fates of several characters will be resolved.

Nastily

Permanently.

As a way of thanking those readers (somewhere between 75 and 80 per cent)
who came along for the ride and paid their dues, Part 6 of The Plant will be avail-able
free of charge. Enjoy...but donít relax too much. When The Plant returns, it
will once more be on a pay-as-you-go basis.

In the meantime, get ready for Part 6. I think youíre going to be surprised.
Perhaps even shocked.

Best regards (and happy holidays),

Stephen King
#42 by "palutke"
2000-11-30 15:45:26
kcpalutke@tasc.com
but more than a first-run movie or the $65 ticket to a hockey game I saw last night (Go Wings!).


. . . or the $65 ticket to the hockey game . . .

Just for the record, here's the entire author's note, so we won't have to argue about the context people's quotes.


. . . we won't have to argue about the context of people's quotes.

Dammnit, Morn!  Now I can't even blame the lack of a preview mode :)
#43 by "Balwen"
2000-11-30 21:07:23
spoole2@austin.rr.com
GeorgeBroussard jokingly said in 35#

"Hey, we'll release DNF with 1 level for $9. As long as people buy each additional level for $9 at a 75% rate we will keep releasing them on a monthly basis. It will take you 2 years to play the game and we'll make $200 off you, but we only have to make ONE level to get going."

Make it $5 a pop and send it to me. Id wants me to fork over $80 for a still incomplete game. I'll make you an offer for $150. You come through on something better than Q3A"reama" and STEF the 1/4 game, and I'll consider it a good investment. Cut you the check on the spot.
UO and Evercrack already do what youíre joking at. You drop $40 for the game, $9 Bucks a month to play. And get suckered every 6 months or so, dropping another $40+ to upgrade to "Scars on my Wallet" or "Ruins of my checking account" I'm almost fearful that others have adopted this philosophy.
"Make it incomplete and tease'em. Then you can hit them one or two times for the rest."
 

GhostinmyShell said so rightly:

"We paid 50 for the engine last year, and the latest installment that finishes the game will be out this christmas ;-)"

I'll wait till next X-mass to get it. Hopefully as a freebie with a paid order online. Every time I think about breaking down and going to get it, I get this mental picture of my shoelaces rushing up to my nostrils, and ID rep's jostling behind me. All the while Carmacks screaming, "BooYeah, my cars need tune ups, my cars need tune ups!"  


The Common Man's Voice and Sage Mcgrew said -- "If I were a King fan I would be swearing off his writings until he finished it. I would be outraged."

Evilive--If you were a king fan you would want him to finish The Dark Tower series above all. It is his masterpiece.


I reply--- Seems King has already established a history of not finishing works. Me thinks he should finish one thing, before trying to sell part of another he wont finish anytime soon. He's loaded already, so I donít think he scammed his followers for the money. His work already proves he's a little twisted behind closed doors. Maybe that bump with the van pushed him over the edge.
I'd be skeptical before shelling out any money, before I knew I was the final book/version. I'm safe though from this, I wait till I see the big orange 25% off sticker on books anyway and check to see if thereís any that go with it.
Jordan already taught me my lesson, on jumping on the wagon before they hitch the mules. Donít get me wrong, I like Jordanís and Kingís work. But that waiting crap destroys allot of the enjoyment I get out of it.

God, I know I'm going to eat these words. But maybe these guys should talk to 3DR, and adopt the "When its done, it's done" approach.

Hey George, I really enjoy your work and try to understand the delay on DN4. If ya catch someone slacking remind them, the longer it takes the higher our expectations. And we ARE collectively a bitchy, picky, bunch of pricks.  Daikatana
#44 by "EvilivE"
2000-12-01 00:34:54
satanas@worldmailer.com
"Seems King has already established a history of not finishing works. Me thinks he should finish one thing, before trying to sell part of another he wont finish anytime soon. He's loaded already, so I donít think he scammed his followers for the money. "

You obviously don't have and understanding of the scope of this series.  You should read the four books that are out.  You will easily be able to see why this story could never have been rushed.  This isn't video games we are talking about.  This isn't id software pushing their next bland title out the door for a christmas release.  This is the story that King has been writing since his college days.  It is epic.  There is no way I feel cheated by him at all.  You obviously just 'don't get it'.   I would rather him take 20 years to finish the Dark Tower series, because then I know he is writing the story exactly as he wants to.  Likewise with this internet deal.  If he can't finish it properly he shouldn't have to.  Maybe the ideas just aren't there for this particular story.  

You just can't approach this as if King worked for a games publisher.  They are two completely different worlds.  Sure a lot goes into creating a game, but we see them rushed out the door all the time.   King is, in effect, creating a whole universe in his books.  And I think if he were to finish something just for the sake of finishing it , and not because he was able to do it right, his work would suffer.
#45 by "mcgrew"
2000-12-01 01:13:33
mcgrew@famvid.com
[29] SubcommandantePedro "You people who want to sue King make me laugh. You have to love America, home of the frivolous lawsuit."

I don't want to sue him; I don't even read his books. Even if I did I wouldn't pay a dollar per chapter! But he has scammed a whole lot of people out of a whole lot of money, and he damned well ought to pay it back. If he doesn't volunteer to return it, it should be taken by force of LAW, plus some.

IMO he should be thrown in the slammer for mail fraud.


[33] shaithis "..unless we're talking about someone other than Charles "Oliver Twist, Tale of Two Cities" Dickens"

Hey, Christmas is coming, how about "A Christmas Carol" Dickens? With that old skinflint Ebeneezer King?


[37] shaithis "I was pretty sure he was older than that..."

It doesn't matter, he could get hit by another bus tomorrow. Or a heart attack. Wait a minute, you have to HAVE a heart first... a stoke, maybe, one of those killed one of my uncles at the ripe old age of 28.


[39] EvilivE "If you were a king fan you would want him to finish The Dark Tower series above all. It is his masterpiece."

Since I'm not I really don't care, but I get outraged whan someone who is ALREADY rich steals. I bet a lot of the people who mailed him their dollars work at grocery stores and gas stations; their dollar don't mean diddly to King, but it means another loaf of bread to them.

If I were a king fan I would cease to be after this greedy little episode. What a mean, small little person he must be!


[41] palutke "So if George B decides to implement the scheme he (sarcastically, i hope) described earlier, you'll warez DN4, plus all 3drealms's previous work?"

If I felt George ripped me off I would do what I could to get even, like, say DN4 turned out to be DN1 repackaged, yeah. Not a very Christian attitude, I know, but I'm no saint.

Now, if King were to finish it, or offer folks' money back, that would be a different story. If he went bankrupt and couldn't pay it back but apologized to his fans, that would still be a different story too. But this seems a blatant ripoff.

If you feel you got your ten bucks worth then you have no reason for anger. If I had paid for the installments and was satisfied with a story without an ending, it would also be different.

"Bandwidth isn't free."

I pay 12.50 a month, period. You can DL all the copies of the quake demos, skins, xmas carols and whatever you want from my site and I won't complain. No way he's paying a buck for 748k unless he's the moron we both know he isn't. Hell, that will fit on a floppy! Twice almost!

"Following next monthís installment of this story..."

Well, now, that changes things, doesn't it? If he finishes the story then nobody has cause to bitch, do they? As I said, my comments were based on Andy's story, and I put that little disclaimer in because, well, we all know andy...

any way it's a moot point for me, conversation only; I don't like King's work. Just not into the genre'.
#46 by "Zachack"
2000-12-01 01:14:00
zcrounds@earthlink.net
Since no one seems to have mentioned it, is "The Plant" any good?  Worth my time?
#47 by "shaithis"
2000-12-01 19:21:57
cwb@cuse.org
Whether he finishes the story or not... how is it mail fraud? He charged them per chapter, he delivered every chapter they paid for. There's no fraud there.

Is it fraud when a comic book series gets cancelled, because it's not selling that well and the people working on it have an offer to do a stint on "X-Men"? King can continue to work on the Plant, which is not selling terribly well, or he can wrap up part 1 (and legally, he doesn't even have to do that), leave some issues dangling, and move on.

King laid out the terms of the deal well beforehand. He has done nothing illegal. He hasn't even done anything immoral.

-shaithis
#48 by "BuccAneeR"
2000-12-13 17:04:14
buccaneer@planetcrap.com
King wants to keep his 'Plant' alive - and also his money.

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#49 by "toadwarrior"
2001-02-04 02:55:12
toadw@uplink.net
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#50 by G-Man
2004-09-23 08:15:38
I am an asshole.
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