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PHL POS GSI WTF?
May 5th 2000, 03:21 CEST by andy

Yay, our first GSI story this time around!

Here's an interesting little read for you: WHY PHL IS A POS. PHL being PlanetHalfLife. POS being... well, it's not Point Of Sale.



If you clicked on that link, you'll have discovered that the article, on captured.com's hosted site Rogue Gamer, is missing. Why, you may be asking. Good question.

One guess would be that PHL is a GameSpy site, captured.com is a GameSpy site, and the Powers That Be don't want any negative publicity, even when it's just one of their loyal readers offering a few helpful suggestions.

Now I can imagine what some of you are thinking already - they're GSI sites, GSI is a business, GSI can do whatever it wants, GSI this, GSI that, etc. But as usual with GameSpy, it's the way things have been done that is the problem.

This is the message from Rogue Gamer about the article's disappearance: "Due to what I can only assume was a hiccup in the servers at my gracious hosts, GameSpy, some information was lost from this site. I assume this was a server hiccup because no-one from GSN contacted me about the situation, and the alternative is too horrible for me to consider."

Hiccup in the servers? And the only thing affected is one article that criticises a GSI site? Maybe. I'd go with the too horrible to consider alternative myself, but that's just me.

The article can now be found here. Although it's quite insulting in places, it's nothing spectacular - mainly just criticising PlanetHalfLife's style and frequency of news reporting - so go and see for yourself if it was damaging enough to warrant removal.

Update: As I post this, the article appears to be back online at its original location. Who put it there? Where did it go in that missing hour? Will Mulder ever...

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#1 by "Dethstryk"
2000-05-05 03:28:49
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
Andy, the article is actually there. Looks like GameSpy caught on or this whole thing didn't happen.


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Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#2 by "Dethstryk"
2000-05-05 03:29:43
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
Okay, so I didn't read the entire post before I wrote that it was there. So sue me. :)


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Damage Gaming
#3 by "scud"
2000-05-05 03:40:07
scud@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
yea, and well the whole thing happened with only the files that pertain to gsi.

Also makes me wonder some more about gamespy and the way the run things.

I mean what do you think of a company that deletes articles that are opinionated and whatnot. It just makes them look worse and worse, I mean for example the whole ripnburn.gamespy.com situation that andy was talking about earlier in a different thread. Why in the world would you THEN have it link to some stupid fucking 'clan' site that has a news post talking about planetcrap, it just incriminates gsi even more.

What fucking retards. Makes me despise using gamespy, I think i'm gonna go re-d/l pingtool. Least that's free and I know the people profiting off of it aren't using the money to lie, cheat and scam their way through shit.
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#4 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-05-05 03:40:56
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
Or maybe it really was a server hiccup and the data was replaced from a backup tape.
#5 by "SiliconVortex"
2000-05-05 03:44:41
siliconvortex@mailandnews.com
This place is as paranoid about GSI as Slashdot is about privacy and open source. :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#6 by "Andrew Stine"
2000-05-05 03:46:34
linguica@doomworld.com http://www.doomworld.com
The funny thing is that people actually think that there some sort of giant conspiratorial power behind Gamespy with an ultimate motive, and not that it's just a bunch of people being paid to run websites about games.
#7 by "scud"
2000-05-05 03:46:56
scud@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
warren - how likely do you think that is? I mean if that was true then the main page would have also been lost as that was updated at the same time as the other content pages. but it wans't..it was still there containing the links for the article and whatnot. Yet the other pages were gone. So...the evidence doesn't lead to a server 'hiccup'<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#8 by "Dethstryk"
2000-05-05 03:47:07
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#4</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE>Or maybe it really was a server hiccup and the data was replaced from a backup tape. </QUOTE>

This is probably the most reasonable explanation, but I have this itching, burning feeling that there might actually be something going on behind the scenes at GameSpy. I can't put my finger on it, though.


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Damage Gaming
#9 by "Andrew Stine"
2000-05-05 03:47:37
linguica@doomworld.com http://www.doomworld.com
My bad, a bunch of people running websites about games, some of whom may be paid.
#10 by "scud"
2000-05-05 03:48:29
scud@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
i also wonder how many more acrynonms or whatnot andy can sneak in a title. ;)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#11 by "Apache"
2000-05-05 03:51:17
apache@warzone.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
Well, as someone who used to work on Planet Half-Life-- good help's hard to find and it isn't cheap :-)
#12 by "Dethstryk"
2000-05-05 03:51:20
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#6</b> "Andrew Stine" wrote...
<QUOTE>The funny thing is that people actually think that there some sort of giant conspiratorial power behind Gamespy with an ultimate motive, and not that it's just a bunch of people being paid to run websites about games.</QUOTE>

The thing about some people who are paid to run a gaming site is that they do it for the money, and not for the love of gaming. I have a big problem with people like that. They will do half-assed jobs, but they can still draw an audience because they are a big company/site/whatever, which means they can get the content.


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Damage Gaming
#13 by "Whisp"
2000-05-05 03:55:47
whisp@vt.edu
<b>#9</b> "Andrew Stine" wrote...
<QUOTE>My bad, a bunch of people running websites about games, some of whom may be paid. </QUOTE>

Actually, from what I've heard, very few are paid.  This may have changed, however.

While it's always possible that this was just a "hiccup" (it does happen, and if it occurred right after the article was posted the impression would be it was deleted) it also fits a pattern of behavior that I have heard about.  This wouldn't be the first time GSI has been accused of revisionist history, or censorship of criticism.

-Whisp
#14 by "VeeSPIKE"
2000-05-05 03:56:09
appliedavoidanc@triton.net
<b>#5</b> "SiliconVortex" wrote...
<QUOTE>This place is as paranoid about GSI as Slashdot is about privacy and open source. :)</QUOTE>

"it's not that i am paranoid. It's that everyone is out to get me!"


That having been said, have any of the other GSI sites complained about or had complaints about missing files during the same time period? Will we ever know? Who was on the grassy knoll?...

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#15 by "Andrew Stine"
2000-05-05 03:59:14
linguica@doomworld.com http://www.doomworld.com
I agree that it is always best when websites are run by a person who is doing it because they want to, not because they have to.

In my personal experience, I have run http://www.doomworld.com/ for well over two years now, not because I am getting tons of hits (I mean, it's a website about Doom for chrissakes), but because I enjoy it.  Because I like doing it, that means that I am more apt to care about the site, and think of ways to improve it.

Two years ago it was just a website with news, a POTD, a few resource sections, and hosting.  Since then I've added a poll, a MOTD, comment threads, a forum, lots more resource sections, a list of newly uploaded Doom files, and lots more.

If I were being paid to run the site, but didn't particularly enjoy it, I wouldn't have added any of those things because I wouldn't care enough to exert the effort.

The same thing can be seen with the Planet sites.  There are those people who care about and enjoy working on their site, and those who just slog along.  The days of Planetquake with Fragmaster/Gestalt/Lowtax is one example, or PHL when it was run by Fragmaster is another.  When sites get turned over to a person who's just collecting a paycheck, all the cool little things that made that site worth visiting go away and it just become a bland mishmash of the standard daily news + POTD + weekly mailbag + weekly poll (which is quickly becoming a standard on GSI sites).
#16 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-05-05 04:05:36
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
I will admit that once Fragmaster left PHL, it's not really much fun to visit that site anymore.  It's very cookie cutter ...

When he was there, he would at least try to inject some humor and variety into the proceedings ...


As for the missing web page scandal ... there are probably a thousand explanations about why it could have happened.  The most fun one is that GSI has some grand conspiracy, and the most boring one is that something happened and the data was lost and had to get recovered.

The truth probably lies somewhere in between ...
#17 by "scud"
2000-05-05 04:07:06
scud@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
except from what I know..I don't think anyone BUT automag are getting paid..but i'm not totally positive about that

<b>#13</b> "Whisp" wrote...
<QUOTE>
While it's always possible that this was just a "hiccup" (it does happen, and if it occurred right after the article was posted the impression would be it was deleted) it also fits a pattern of behavior that I have heard about. This wouldn't be the first time GSI has been accused of revisionist history, or censorship of criticism.

-Whisp </QUOTE>

and if this is true..why the hell doesn't GSI say something like "If you critcize one of the GSI sites we will go and delete or edit your post so as to make GSI look as good as it can"<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#18 by "None-1a"
2000-05-05 04:11:25
none1a@home.com
So a file came up missing from a GSI site, was it a server error, was it deleted in censor ship, did some moron fall asleep and knock there head on the delete key, does any one care? I for one don't really give a crap, once a long time ago (well in game time) GSI had some of the best sites on the web, however; some thing happened at there offices that resulted in come and go features and an update when we feel like it mentality for the whole damn group (not just planethalflife, any one remember planetquake's fryday frag, or there mailbag and poll on off posting).
#19 by "Dethstryk"
2000-05-05 04:13:13
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#16</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE>As for the missing web page scandal ... there are probably a thousand explanations about why it could have happened. The most fun one is that GSI has some grand conspiracy, and the most boring one is that something happened and the data was lost and had to get recovered.

The truth probably lies somewhere in between ... </QUOTE>

And I don't think any conclusions are going to be made, either. It's not like we can ask GSI, and no one else really knows.

Then again, if we did ask GSI, we couldn't trust whatever they told us.


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Damage Gaming
#20 by "Stallion"
2000-05-05 04:41:21
clambert@gamespy.com http://www.planetunreal.com
Andy, don't let the little things get stuck in your ass.

In other news, I couldn't access Blues News for about 30 seconds today. Maybe their server went down. Or maybe Furn was testing out a new CGI script. Or perhaps Billy of VE hacked in and took down the server! Point being -- anything could have happened. This just shows your on-going prejudice against anyone or anything bigger or better than you. Jealousy?

I don't know what happened to the file, nor do I care. If something of such little signifigance deserves a PC post, then-I won't even finish.
#21 by "scud"
2000-05-05 04:47:28
scud@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
Actually andy shouldn't be blamed for the post..I e-mailed hima nd asked him to put it up..because it's highly irritating to me that gsi did, or SEEMS to have done something like this..so put the blame on me.. :[
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#22 by "Apache"
2000-05-05 04:51:45
apache@warzone.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
hmmm, well after reading contaminated.net's news for today (aka PHL) and the alleged editorial on how much said site sucks, riddle me this:

Did the author of said editorial ever offer his/her services to post news on PHL? It's really easy to knock people about how 'bad' of a job they're doing, and its another to have the dedication and ability to post news on a specialized fan site with a very narrow focus. (Half Life)

I like the frequency of Automag's updates, he could add a little personality into his posts and perhaps crank the shit filter up a little smidge to eliminate some of the lesser news, but I don't think it's a bad page by any means...

Just talking from experience it's very easy to get in a rut posting the same old news on the same old game month after month, that's why it's always a good thing (tm) to bring in new blood who are honestly interested and excited about covering a specific game.

Planet Half Life has a lot of good sites, and is an importal portal to the Half Life community.
#23 by "Bad_CRC"
2000-05-05 05:19:15
well, we needed an anti GSI thread for PC to be "officially" back.
 
how come nobody will tell me when the next PCIRCHO is?
 

in any event, andy probably needs to consider the phrase "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence..."  more often.
#24 by "Tom Cleghorn"
2000-05-05 05:23:15
tc10NOSPAMPLEASE@st-andrewsNOSPAMPLEASE.ac.uk http://www.fisty.com/~tom
<b>scud:</b>
<quote>and if this is true..why the hell doesn't GSI say something like "If you critcize one of the GSI sites we will go and delete or edit your post so as to make GSI look as good as it can</quote>
One would imagine that they do, albeit in somewhat more flowery language, have some kind of clause somewhere in their legalese that precludes hosted sites from posting anything they consider defamatory. Does anyone remember the <A HREF="http://www.planetquake.com/enp/ TARGET="_blank">El Nino Productions page</A>? They posted a news item which essentially tore in to Joost Schuur and anyone else associated with PQ hosting procedures - inside 24 hours, they were gone, with only the message that sits there to this day to remind anyone that there was ever anyone there - this happened approximately 18 months ago, IIRC.
#25 by "Tom Cleghorn"
2000-05-05 05:26:41
tc10NOSPAMPLEASE@st-andrewsNOSPAMPLEASE.ac.uk http://www.fisty.com/~tom
Beg pardon, try <A HREF="http://www.planetquake.com/enp/" TARGET="_blank">this link</A> instead.
Can we have a preview button, mr0n? :)
#26 by "Rogue Gamer"
2000-05-05 05:28:43
rogue@captured.com http://www.captured.com/rogue
There was no hiccup.

Both the file and the forum post was deleted. (I was recently told it was backed up before hand though.)  I reposted both from the copies on my HD since nobody from GSN had bothered to contact me before removing them.  I blamed a server hiccup in the hopes that they wouldn't make the same mistake twice.  The response to their censorship was amazing.  I'd much rather them reply.

Also, I should point out that the article was not written by myself, but by a guest who called himself Chez Guava.
#27 by "Desiato"
2000-05-05 05:30:53
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com
This reminds me of the ad that shows the guy getting stock advice over the net, but in reality it's some fat chick's bottom hitting the keyboard..(producing what he thinks is a recommendation to buy a particular symbol.)

Yeah -- consider the source, and yes -- anything could have happened...but you know what? A year or two ago I might have cared about it, but I just realized that I don't give a damn if a 7-11 overprices their hotdogs by mistake, nor do I care if some tired corp. minion screwed up a site because of a massive hangover...or whatever.

I mean honestly -- who really checks those sites anymore? I only tread on the brim of the fedora when I'm searching for a patch or something...other than that, I avoid it just like I would any other mega-corp, like K-Mart or Walmart...too commercial.

Yes -- the previous poster was right, PlanetCrap really *isn't* back without this type of thread.

Desiato..
#28 by "Chez Guava"
2000-05-05 05:37:55
I wrote the piece to be deliberately inflammatory.

None of it was false, however.

I feel strongly about the way GSI treats its employees and the way the sites are run. The employee treatment will be covered in a different article. The running of the site was covered in the first one I wrote.

I know a lot of people probably don't visit Planet Half-Life. It doesn't matter to you. I don't visit Planet Half-Life. It wouldn't bug me so much if the Planet Half-Life staff didn't present a holier-than-thou attitude to the world.

In response to Apache, I've posted news, articles and interviews on many sites. I could do a better job, and I know it. I'm not being immodest - no one could do a worse job than the current staff.

Why don't I offer to help PHL then?

Because, unlike those willing slaves, I like to get paid for my work.
#29 by "RzE"
2000-05-05 05:48:11
rze@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
I was wondering how GSI would handle it, I guess we found out.. Oh well
#30 by "Dethstryk"
2000-05-05 05:55:01
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#29</b> "RzE" wrote...
<QUOTE>I was wondering how GSI would handle it, I guess we found out.. Oh well</QUOTE>

I'm thinking that we aren't going to hear anything, actually. They could know that we actually did know what was going on, and they would probably choose to ignore it.

It's really apparent that they would either do that or make something up about the whole incident. I just think those two options are major possibilities because if they took down the article with no warning or notification, they would follow either of those two routes.

That's just a "what if" of course.


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Damage Gaming
#31 by "Geoffrois"
2000-05-05 06:05:08
Wow, some people are still playing DOOM!
#32 by "Dethstryk"
2000-05-05 06:09:28
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#31</b> "Geoffrois" wrote...
<QUOTE>Wow, some people are still playing DOOM!</QUOTE>

And damn it, I wish I was.


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Damage Gaming
#33 by "RzE"
2000-05-05 06:17:42
rze@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
I think it violates the point of an EDITORIAL site to have a host which censors and delete's OPINIONS..

More info:
http://www.captured.com/rogue/main.html

I think he needs a new host, right about now. Maybe GameFan Network can give him his own site or something, they seem very open (eg, something awful) and don't try to put on a corp. face like GSI does.

What's more is that this editorial is much more of a fact than an opinion, they do post news we could give two shits about..

PHL ruled when FragMaster was in control, now.. God, it's not even worth reading the 'features'. The mailbag has turned into a "who wants to do this page" deal, and... just.. blows.
#34 by "Dethstryk"
2000-05-05 06:23:39
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>#33</b> "RzE" wrote...
<QUOTE>PHL ruled when FragMaster was in control, now.. God, it's not even worth reading the 'features'. The mailbag has turned into a "who wants to do this page" deal, and... just.. blows. </QUOTE>

Hey, let's say at least one good thing about PHL. It does have a pretty nice layout. Wait, nevermind. It doesn't take much to use the same format for every site on a network.


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Damage Gaming
#35 by "RzE"
2000-05-05 06:28:49
rze@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
Apache: It's really not that hard to actually focus on one news topic.. Actually, HL is a pretty big news source anyhow, it's very popular.. But like I was saying, When you have one news topic, you may have to search around, but if there isn't any good news, don't report it.

I run a fellow GFN site, CS-Nation. We focus only on Counter-Strike, a Half-Life, but we still get plenty of news.  Also, I and the staff do 'filter' the news, if it's not that important, no one needs to hear. We don't need to hear how much a new CS site has popped up (but contains no content or news, and a horrid design), just as much as we don't need to hear about a new mod (that has no backbone, one team member, and high ambitions).

Sites aren't easy, and PHL is free, but GSI does make money off of it, and so do the majority of people who work there.

Also, you brought up hosting. Well, and Planet site seems to host almost any mod. They think, "Hey, Mods are what everyone needs, right?".. But, a fake HL news site (a humor site), was refused hosting. Even on the PHL forums, everyone loved the site..

I'll just cut it short:
Posting a lot of news helps no one, except the people who sent in the news.
#36 by "Happy Cow"
2000-05-05 06:28:58
http://happycow.home.icq.com
GSI.... don't get me started. But if everybody would check out www.pingtool.com and stop using Lame...er, game spy that would be a step in the right direction. Not only is pingtool faster and cheaper (free don't cha know). But it makes you a better lover (if you maximize the window you have a big tool).

As for the quality of the staff at any news page, I think you could pretty much teach chimps to copy and paste stuff that is e-mailed in. I'm more impressed with pages that print interesting commentary about game issues. Like this page, Old man Murry (read it or you suck) and even Evil avatar. While Evil does go way off the deep end sometimes, it's far better then the "Every things is really, really, really great" style of journalism (???) that is GSI's stock and trade. I very sure if the "game of the moment" at any Planet site caused sterilization, they would be shouting "no need for pesky birth control".

Is Fargo Satan's only begotten son, and is GSI the epicenter of unrepentant EVILLLLLL? Yes. I can prove it with 3 words.  Planet Deer Hunter.

Happy Cow (that's happy, not gay)
#37 by "cliffe"
2000-05-05 06:36:00
cliffe@counter-strike.net http://www.counter-strike.net/
Where's Andy? I'm waiting for his response to Stallion.
#38 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2000-05-05 06:36:19
Well at the only planetsite i go to anymore is PlanetShogo, that site has really gone in the toilet with content, and I dont blame all the webmasters. Maybe the PHL guys should move to Shogo.

Tis True that Shogo is dead, but the community is still active. Sending in news about a new level, or something as wild as a q3 conversion will never see the light on the news page. Some of the guys at that site simply use it to put on the resume. I tried talking to the guy who I thought was running that site but he was too busy working on his own "big project" to give a rats ass. Really sad.

I just bookmark straight to the forum these days.
#39 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2000-05-05 06:39:08
ghostinmyshell@worldnet.att.net http://www.freespeech.org/on
BTW someone mentioned GameFan up there somewhere, I simply stop reading their mag because they purposely trash impressive games these days to get attention to their site, much like those Daily Radar guys...
#40 by "Apache"
2000-05-05 06:46:50
apache@warzone.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
To everyone who thinks PHL news sucks: Dudes, it's not like GSI pays the people worth a shit who update the page, give them a break! Hell, I worked on their sites a YEAR for free, if anyone should be flaming GSI, it should be me...

It's really easy to flame at old Automag, but that editorial was chock full of four letter words and even I know that GSI's a family oriented network, and that 'shit' should not be posted on a G rated site...

Would I of deleted it? Hell yeah.
#41 by "Apache"
2000-05-05 06:49:40
apache@warzone.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
Ghost in my shell: GameFan magazine and online editors are different people, don't bash online because of the magazine people :)
#42 by "Whisp"
2000-05-05 06:55:30
whisp@vt.edu
There is at least 1 GSI site that still has a pulse and a bit of personalityleft.  Visit <a href="http://www.polycount.com">www.polycount.com</a> and take a look.  As you can see, the templated look is missing, and it even has it's own domain, though that gets redirected back to www.planetquake.com/polycount.  The message boards in particular see a lot of traffic from artists working in the industry, as well as hopefuls and fanboys.  I fit in somewhere between the last two categories.

The webmaster, r13, runs a pretty tight ship.  From various hints that have been dropped, I think for a while he was considering leaving the planet entirely, but in the end decided the benefits outweighed the disadvantages.  I am reasonably certain he has pretty complete artistic control over what goes on.  This was in that period when the Q2PMP was switching over to polycount.

Go pick up some custom models and skins!  I wanna see more players using them.  Don't forget, sv_pure 0.

-Whisp
#43 by "Lumberjack"
2000-05-05 07:00:55
joek@pckconsult.com
<a href="http://planetunreal.com/nalicity">Nali City</a> also is another good GSI site for Unreal/UT maps....QAPete does a really good job of running the site and gives the site a lot of personality....<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#44 by "Apache"
2000-05-05 07:35:33
apache@warzone.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
It's really easy to bash Automag for his news, but he posts a lot of it, and on a regular basis. As one of the original people to launch PHL -- I still think it's a damn fine site, and I think Automag does a swell job.
#45 by "HiredGoons"
2000-05-05 07:52:52
gavriel@freedom.net
<b>#40</b> "Apache" wrote...
<QUOTE>It's really easy to flame at old Automag, but that editorial was chock full of four letter words and even I know that GSI's a <b>family oriented</b> network, and that 'shit' should not be posted on a G rated site... </QUOTE>

Family oriented? G-rated?  I have no fucking problem with profanity, but GSI is not family oriented nor G-rated.  

I don't know if there is any truth to the censorship claims, but it is silly to imagine that GSI would yank an editorial for saying "fuck" or "shit" or any other of George Carlin's Seven Words, but have no problem whatsoever letting Mynx talk ad nauseam about anal seepage, having erections while at LAN parties or whatever else slithers in that column of hers.

The games covered by GSI even have warnings like 'extreme violence/language', the implication being that the game is not "family oriented material".  It stands to reason that a web site devoted to games such as these have no problem with some graphic violence and adult language. (There is a PlantKingpin for crying out loud, and you say GSI is family oriented?)

If GSI wants to yank an editorial fine, better news organizations than they have had trouble with journalistic ethics, so why should they be immune?  

If they squashed the editorial and it wasn't some server/admin snafu, it was because they didn't like the opinion, not because some four letter words offended their quaint sensibilites.  <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#46 by "Apache"
2000-05-05 07:57:22
apache@warzone.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
Hired Goons: That may be true, but in my opinion none of that is even remotely acceptable. Profanity has no place in a mainstream gaming network. Do two wrongs make a right? I don't think so.
#47 by "Albatross[BTEG]"
2000-05-05 08:06:00
albatross@bteg.com http://www.bteg.com
You know, a while back, there were a series of articles on BTEG.com about GameSpy Industries. We knew then, as now, that all they care about is PROFIT. But, sadly, everyone basically called us a bunch of whiners. Now this episode of a 'missing' article, possibly damaging to GSI, Inc.
I think not.
GSI is not, nor never will be for the gamers.
Accept that and move on. You'll feel better.
#48 by "Not One Of Us"
2000-05-05 08:10:22
not_one_of_us@hotmail.com http://www.halflife.net/trepid
Andy is right. They don't want any <B>negative publicity<B>. This MOD I am working with wanted to be hosted at PHL early this year, but they denied us because of the MOD's <I>nature<I> (It was orignaly about a high school getting over runned by Terrorists and as a high schooler you got to save the school, Single Player). I argued with them for about a week then decied we should get hosted at halflife.net (which we are).
#49 by "Not One Of Us"
2000-05-05 08:11:26
not_one_of_us@hotmail.com http://www.halflife.net/trepid
Andy is right. They don't want any <B>negative publicity</B>. This MOD I am working with wanted to be hosted at PHL early this year, but they denied us because of the MOD's <I>nature</I> (It was orignaly about a high school getting over runned by Terrorists and as a high schooler you got to save the school, Single Player). I argued with them for about a week then decied we should get hosted at halflife.net (which we are).


BTW I messed up on ther last post
#50 by "cliffe"
2000-05-05 09:31:13
cliffe@counter-strike.net http://www.counter-strike.net/
Ah c'mon Apache, why would they get outraged over a couple naughty words when they just got out of an intense fragfest where they just blew someone's arm off, killed them dead as blood spewed forth, and then topped it off by doing an obscene taunt?

Two wrongs may not make a right, but they could at very least be consistent.
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