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November 7th 2000, 01:50 CET by morn

I just got two of my wisdom teeth removed, and the only thing that can help me ignore the pain is Age of Empires II multiplayer (what have I become?). I'm also quite bored, so I'm writing this little post... and chances are it's going to be the last one for a while.

Feel free to discuss... anything. You know, just like usual.

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#1 by "Morn"
2000-11-07 01:51:28
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Test<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#2 by "Morn"
2000-11-07 01:56:03
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Obviously you're welcome to voice your opinions on where PC should be heading... I don't really want to keep it as it is now (and I'm not talking about the PlanetHappy mutation), but I also don't want to shut it down. I don't have the time to build a new version right now, since I'm putting all of my spare time into another site of mine (which is a lot more fun than PC is right now -- Chet would disagree... bring on the pain).

Blah... don't feel like saying much right now. That last topic was stupid, I agree, and I'm sorry. I don't feel like I'm able to do any better on this site right now.

Oh well...

- Mörn
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#3 by "kitrack"
2000-11-07 01:59:11
jbholdridgeii@vt.edu
To better expose my ignorance, I present this as evidence:
On 11/07/2000 at 00:51, Morn had <i>something</i>(#1) to say:

<quote>Test</quote>
Damn you morn, here I was prepared to start, or try to start, a tangent discussion on the ethics of 1st posting, and you had to beat us to it.
Alright, how about this:  <a href="http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/698">link</a>
discuss the possiblities of the Lord of the Rings movies ...
Or don't.  I appear to have not thought this through ....
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#4 by "Ryslin"
2000-11-07 02:08:36
ryslinmoon@yahoo.com
there are people out there who are by fact of nature immune to cancer
there are people out there who are by fact of nature immune to aids
there are people out there who are by fact of nature immune to cholestrol


now ..comments  suggestions arbitrary arguments whatevea
#5 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 02:26:46
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
FIFTH!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#6 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 02:29:33
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
Guys, I have a good, broad topic that is in the nature of PC:

*********

CONSOLE VS. PC - ROUND 1 - FIGHT

*********

Sound good?  If you like the ring, GO FOR IT!
Personally I will post my response in 1 hour.
-Andy Wall<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#7 by "brennan"
2000-11-07 02:33:32
scottsyoen@home.com
Well, I for one have a few suggestions for the site:

1.  See if you can convince/encourage industry folks to submit stories.  This wouldn't involve taking much time on it, just sending you a quick discussion topic with maybe an opinion thrown in.

2.  Alternately, make the topic-submission process wider, maybe not unlike Slashdot but less formal.  Encourage submissions from any and all readers, and use the admins to screen them.  

3.  Although he looks to be gone now anyways, stop letting Andy do stories.  He's been the core of the site in the past, but anytime he posts remotely controversial topics it ends up being all about him.  Every time, whether you agree with him or not, whether he's right or wrong.  He's not helping the site; he's severely hurting it.  So, enough.

Anyways.  But in my opinion, unless more/different folks post topics, or unless Morn/Jeet/Darkseid/etc. get a hell of a lot more prolific, PC just needs to die for good.

-brennan
#8 by "Ryslin&Indigo"
2000-11-07 02:41:38
ryslinmoon@yahoo.com
xbox..we're going to trust a company that has never ever shipped a bug free software...and even had bugs in its bug fixes...to subcontract a forigen company to manufacture a system that they want to become industry standard when they couldnt even follow intels mmx enconde instructions


ps2
bottle of vaseline and a girlie mag more fun less exausting

dreamcast
cast your loaves upon the water and they become waterlogged

pc
proper computer

..when lightning hits it..you dont have to ship the whole thing back..
if it becomes obsolete usually you can take your harddrives and ram

wile consoules have more bang for the buck..there is an inherant limiting liability in any hard coded assembly operating system

why do you think linux compiles diffrently on every computer it gets put on[btw this is both me and my mate Indigo speaking]
pcs are architecualy market driven and wile this drives driver programmers nuts..it is the sole reason why your computer is capable of what it is doing today
when you look at game consoles ..look at ibm.."nobody will need more than 640k in the forceable future"
if new graphics technology comes out ..with a pc you by a card..with a console you buy a new console
#9 by "Vengeance"
2000-11-07 02:55:21
rhiggi@home.com
<b>#7</b> "brennan" <I>Mr. French Tickler</I> wrote ...
<QUOTE>Well, I for one have a few suggestions for the site:

1. See if you can convince/encourage industry folks to submit stories. This wouldn't involve taking much time on it, just sending you a quick discussion topic with maybe an opinion thrown in.

2. Alternately, make the topic-submission process wider, maybe not unlike Slashdot but less formal. Encourage submissions from any and all readers, and use the admins to screen them.

3. Although he looks to be gone now anyways, stop letting Andy do stories. He's been the core of the site in the past, but anytime he posts remotely controversial topics it ends up being all about him. Every time, whether you agree with him or not, whether he's right or wrong. He's not helping the site; he's severely hurting it. So, enough.

Anyways. But in my opinion, unless more/different folks post topics, or unless Morn/Jeet/Darkseid/etc. get a hell of a lot more prolific, PC just needs to die for good.

-brennan </QUOTE>

Die for good?  Heathen.

2.  Been done before then who ever actually posts the stories (Andy I believe it was) takes a beating because everyone assumes and refuses to let go of the idea that its really his opinion and not just someone elses.  Maybe tacking that persons name at the end of the post instead of the admins might work though.  I think this would be a good idea if worked out correctly there just doesn't seem to be an official channel for it.  I think morn may have to worry about responsiblity issues so we should keep this in mind.  Dunno, morn?

1.  heh, so basically you want to turn this into an ad site, eh?  "DN4E will own you, biatch" and all that ;)  Might not be a bad idea but you'd definately feed some egoes and probably have more of them get pissed off and leave for good than anything.

Hmm, i say bring Andy back.  Anyone else notice when we're not bitching about Andy we're bitching about how few topics there are and how we don't have hardly anything to bitch about?  Its probably better to interspearse other people into the rotation a little more though.  Some of you people take this site a little too seriously sometimes (ok, me too).



V  <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#10 by "kitrack"
2000-11-07 03:00:14
jbholdridgeii@vt.edu
To better expose my ignorance, I present this as evidence:
On November 07 at 00:50 GMT, morn had <i>something</i>(#Main Post) to say:

<quote>I just got two of my wisdom teeth removed, and the only thing that can help me ignore the pain is Age of Empires II multiplayer (what have I become?).</quote>
I must say, my sympathies-I had mine removed, but they were nice enough to dope me to unconciousness first ... still sucked for several weeks afterward...

To better expose my ignorance, I present this as evidence:
On 11/07/2000 at 01:33, brennan had <i>something</i>(#7) to say:

<quote>But in my opinion, unless more/different folks post topics, or unless Morn/Jeet/Darkseid/etc. get a hell of a lot more prolific, PC just needs to die for good.</quote>
Silly.  Ya can't kill the undead. (flander's voice)

To better expose my ignorance, I present this as evidence:
On 11/07/2000 at 01:55, Vengeance had <i>something</i>(#9) to say:

<quote>1. heh, so basically you want to turn this into an ad site, eh? "DN4E will own you, biatch" and all that ;) Might not be a bad idea but you'd definately feed some egoes and probably have more of them get pissed off and leave for good than anything.</quote>
Take that with his other, admin monitor submission, and it looks good.  Developers just get a little bit more <i>cred</i> (erg .. slang intruding into <i>my</i> speech!!!) than, say, a half-assed slacker like myself would.

<quote>Anyone else notice when we're not bitching about Andy we're bitching about how few topics there are and how we don't have hardly anything to bitch about? Its probably better to interspearse other people into the rotation a little more though. Some of you people take this site a little too seriously sometimes (ok, me too). </quote>
Good point ....

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#11 by "RzE"
2000-11-07 03:14:38
rze@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
How about a topic about Valve freelance hiring former cheat makers to combat cheats?

Or... not
#12 by "Japakazol"
2000-11-07 03:35:08
arthuraldeguer@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/deathtoll_northhollywood
PCvsConsoles
   Well if you are a hardcore gamer and money is no option.  The Pc and Dsl mixed with Any online playable game and you got tons 'o' fun.  I have never played a console game with the longetivity of Starcraft/Counterstrike/Age of Empires 2.  Any day I can loggon and play any one of these games against tons of opponents.  The best part is having a lan party.  On weekend three of my friends come over and we play as a clan on Counterstrike.  I don't think I have ever had as much fun during lan parties ever playing a console.. unless you count four player BOMBERMAN on the SNES!!                 Japakazol



                       ......if you haven't played Dues Ex.. go out and buy it!
#13 by "None-1a"
2000-11-07 04:14:34
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a/
<b>#7</b> "brennan" wrote...
<QUOTE>1. See if you can convince/encourage industry folks to submit stories. This wouldn't involve taking much time on it, just sending you a quick discussion topic with maybe an opinion thrown in. </quote>

Sounds good but the stories would need to be posted under the persons name not by an admin.

<quote>
2. Alternately, make the topic-submission process wider, maybe not unlike Slashdot but less formal. Encourage submissions from any and all readers, and use the admins to screen them. </quote>

I'd just like to see wider topics, I don't care who post them. The sites not called PlantGameCrap, and how offten do we end up talking poltics, socity, or some other hot topic not game related once we drift off topic anyway.

<quote>
3. Although he looks to be gone now anyways, stop letting Andy do stories. He's been the core of the site in the past, but anytime he posts remotely controversial topics it ends up being all about him. Every time, whether you agree with him or not, whether he's right or wrong. He's not helping the site; he's severely hurting it. So, enough. </QUOTE>

He's helping the site a lot more then you think, as Vengeance said when he's not around things die down a bit.

<b>#6</b> "Andy Wall" wrote...
<QUOTE>CONSOLE VS. PC - ROUND 1 - FIGHT </QUOTE>

Who gives a crap, if games you want to play are avalible only on a console your going to buy it. We're really getting way to far into the this system can do this, this system has AA, this system is upgradeable, etc crap and forgeting the reason we all play in the first place. IT ALL ABOUT GAMES, hell if I still had my Atari, NES, or Genesis you can damn well bet they'd all still be hooked up and ready to run (EMU's just aren't the same for me).
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None-1a.

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#14 by "JMCDaveL"
2000-11-07 04:32:01
jmcdavel@mailandnews.com
I think the most neutral thing I can say about pc vs consoles is I wish they would stop porting each others title's over, since they always are way past their selling window, usually not very good, and overall tend to suck.

--jmc
~Vote! Or don't! Noone will know either way! So lie!~
#15 by "Brandon 'GreenMarine' Reinhart"
2000-11-07 04:46:48
brandonr@3drealms.com http://www.3drealms.com/
The site is fine, its just that the quality of topics is low and they are a long time between.  Maybe if you had some new people posting topics or something.  Howabout Warren Marshall? :)

I mean, I'm sure there's more than enough stuff out there to stir up people's interest, its just not coming this direction.
#16 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 04:49:13
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
Please keep my thread going, I need the ego boost!

Ryslin&Indigo #8:
<quote>
pc
proper computer

..when lightning hits it..you dont have to ship the whole thing back..
if it becomes obsolete usually you can take your harddrives and ram
</quote>

I agree wholeheartedly with this.  A PC is a tool that also happens to be a high-quality platform for gaming.  

I'll write more in a little bit
-Andy Wall<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#17 by "Dethstryk"
2000-11-07 05:00:58
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
Keep PlanetCrap around. We just need more topic posters, that <i>aren't</i> Andy. This isn't PlanetAndy, and that's what it evolved to.


--
Dethstryk
#18 by "Apache"
2000-11-07 05:37:32
apache@stomped.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
I suggest recruting new moderators, slapping on ad banners and turning PC into a Slashdot type site, but not as boring.

:)
#19 by "Crusader"
2000-11-07 05:57:05
crusader@linuxgames.com http://www.linuxgames.com
I suggest recruting new moderators, slapping on ad banners and <b>turning PC into a Slashdot type site</b>, but not as boring.


Apache has gone mad and must be stopped!
#20 by "Crusader"
2000-11-07 05:57:38
crusader@linuxgames.com http://www.linuxgames.com
err, that should be

<quote>
I suggest recruting new moderators, slapping on ad banners and <b>turning PC into a Slashdot type site</b>, but not as boring.
</quote>
#21 by "warmonger"
2000-11-07 06:46:55
warmonger87@hotmail.com
<b>#17</b> "Dethstryk" wrote...
<QUOTE>This isn't PlanetAndy, and that's what it evolved to.


</QUOTE>

Hehe, don't you mean <i>de</i>volved? :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#22 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 06:56:12
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
Warmonger - watching sports on TV?  I see yah shoutin in chat.
-Andy Wall<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#23 by "advance"
2000-11-07 07:07:08
adiamant@isracom.net.il http://www.gifmail.com
I dunno.. I kinda dig the site how it is now, seeing all the game devs and gaming-site guys discussing crap in this not so known/popular yet rather intelligent forum. I even like the colours of PH :)
Just try and post a topic daily, and about interesting stuff. Even topics not related to gaming or PCs.

Interesting fact - I read the PlanetHappy initiaion topic comments a while back, and the stats on the bottom said: 164 stories available, with <B>32678</B> comments written by 1462 authors.  

OOOH! 32678! 15-bits! Oooh!
#24 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 07:09:34
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
<quote>
OOOH! 32678! 15-bits! Oooh!

</QUOTE>


SORRY!  Try 32768, not 32678.  Would have been cool though.
-Andy Wall
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#25 by "advance"
2000-11-07 07:15:38
adiamant@isracom.net.il http://www.gifmail.com
<B>DAMN!</B> I mistyped!

It WAS 32768, that's what I meant.

Look at it now: 32783. 32784 when I click on "Store comment".

Too bad you can't edit comments... noticed it and was about to write but you beat me to it. :)
#26 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 07:18:09
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
One simple point:

PCs can run any game that consoles can*, and even in the same style - you can use a gamepad if you wish.  Vice versa is not true.

*Meaning that *any* console game could be ported to PC without losing its value, whereas consoles just aren't good for many styles of games.

Anyone care to add?
-Andy Wall
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#27 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 07:19:04
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
<b>advance</b> (#25):
<QUOTE><B>DAMN!</B> I mistyped!

It WAS 32768, that's what I meant.

Look at it now: 32783. 32784 when I click on "Store comment".

Too bad you can't edit comments... noticed it and was about to write but you beat me to it. :) </QUOTE>

Hehe, ah, well then, you've yourself quite the discovery!
-Andy Wall<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#28 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-11-07 07:19:58
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>brennan</b> (#7):
<QUOTE>Anyways. But in my opinion, unless more/different folks post topics, or unless Morn/Jeet/Darkseid/etc. get a hell of a lot more prolific, PC just needs to die for good.
</QUOTE>
Why?  I still like coming here ...

<b>Japakazol</b> (#12):
<QUOTE>......if you haven't played Dues Ex.. go out and buy it! </QUOTE>
Playing through a second time right now!  :)  It's actually cooler the second time ...

<b>Brandon 'GreenMarine' Reinhart</b> (#15):
<QUOTE>The site is fine, its just that the quality of topics is low and they are a long time between. Maybe if you had some new people posting topics or something. Howabout Warren Marshall? :)
</QUOTE>
Actually ... I wouldn't mind doing that if the admins are willing.  :P  But I doubt I'd be a regular writer ...

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#29 by "Sotzing"
2000-11-07 07:20:54
sotzing@optonline.net http://www.therabbits.com
I have a boner...does anybody care?
this simple statement is approxamitely 100x ,more exciting than the current topic...

=) ok...later
sotzing<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#30 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 07:21:48
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
<b>Sotzing</b> (#29):
<QUOTE>I have a boner...does anybody care?
this simple statement is approxamitely 100x ,more exciting than the current topic...

=) ok...later
sotzing</QUOTE>

Good god no!  WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!
-Andy Wall<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#31 by "RahvinTaka"
2000-11-07 07:26:01
donaldp@mad.scientist.com
<b>#28</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE><B>Brandon 'GreenMarine' Reinhart</B> (<A href="spy-internal:Load/175#15">#15</A>):

<quote>The site is fine, its just that the quality of topics is low and they are a long time between. Maybe if you had some new people posting topics or something. Howabout Warren Marshall? :)
</quote>
Actually ... I wouldn't mind doing that if the admins are willing. :P But I doubt I'd be a regular writer ...</QUOTE>

I would +1 that if that helps ;)
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#32 by "advance"
2000-11-07 07:36:14
adiamant@isracom.net.il http://www.gifmail.com
#26 - Gaming-wise, the main differences between consoles and the PC are:

1. Controllers
2. Connectability
3. Output ability

The PC has GamePads, most (if not all) new consoles support Keyboards and Mice, as well as other options. So Controllers aren't a problem anymore. Connectability means the ability to network with another similiar machine to allow multi-play. (Ignore same-machine multiplayer, e.g. split-screen [btw, split-screen multiplay is a real problem limiting some games such as FPS, and not even performance wise, {though I hear UT is lagging badly in split-screen mode on the PS2} just by ruining the game mechanics. You can't use stealth when your opponent sees what you see]) This is a real problem with most consoles, but Sega's gaming-network (what is it called?) sort of solves this. Hopefully the XBox will do the same, and maybe even offer high bandwidth connections. So that ain't a problem either. Output ability mainly means resolution and quality. You can't compare a 1024x768x32 w/ FSAA (3dfx FSAA ... heh, j/k) to a PS2 on a standard TV. HDTV will solve this problem, hopefully.

I think PCs and consoles are equal on this field, they both can run eachothers' games without a problem. Name a PC game that will have any trouble working on a console.

<I>BTW, I am tired as hell, and I am not going to grammar/spell check this. No, I don't speak English natively..</I>
#33 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 07:54:38
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
<b>advance</b> (#32):
<QUOTE><A href="spy-internal:Load/175#26">#26</A> - Gaming-wise, the main differences between consoles and the PC are:

1. Controllers
2. Connectability
3. Output ability

The PC has GamePads, most (if not all) new consoles support Keyboards and Mice, as well as other options. So Controllers aren't a problem anymore. </QUOTE>

I don't know about the concept of keyboards and mice with consoles.  True, newer consoles will have keyboards and mice, but:

1. These, at least for now, are not standard accessories.
2. Their usefulness in gaming is not enough for many people to consider buying one, as the usefulness for productivity is nil.
3. Their conformity with the Dvorak standard is questionable, and although it may be said that a gaming keyboard *should* be different, the case still stands that most console gamers also use a real computer for other purposes, and are used to a real keyboard.

Why pay for any system deisgned with (mostly!) gamepads and their playable games in mind and then just buy a keyboard?  This combined with:

<b>advance</b> (#32):
<QUOTE><A href="spy-internal:Load/175#26">#26</A>(Ignore same-machine multiplayer, e.g. split-screen [btw, split-screen multiplay is a real problem limiting some games such as FPS, and not even performance wise, {though I hear UT is lagging badly in split-screen mode on the PS2} just by ruining the game mechanics. You can't use stealth when your opponent sees what you see]) This is a real problem with most consoles, but Sega's gaming-network (what is it called?) sort of solves this.
</quote>

You're dead on with the split-screen business.  Split screen always pushes games to a point beyond what their designers intended, thereby defeating the purpose of consoles as a standard: to keep a good framerate for all games, all the time.

As with Sega.net and all that jazz, whoo boy.  Let's hope it gets off the ground.  At least Sega.net is cheap (I think? whatever) but any intention of introducing broadband with the X-box will not do well.  I am all in favor of broadband; in fact, if Xbox were to be really great (and I to buy it) I would most certainly pay for a second cable modem IP for it.  But most people won't even think twice before passing it up - i just costs too much.

<b>advance</b> (#32):
<QUOTE><A href="spy-internal:Load/175#26">#26</A>
Output ability mainly means resolution and quality. You can't compare a 1024x768x32 w/ FSAA (3dfx FSAA ... heh, j/k) to a PS2 on a standard TV. HDTV will solve this problem, hopefully.
</QUOTE>

As for now, the graphics aren't even contestable - I agree 100%.  And yes, HDTV: hopefully.

<b>advance</b> (#32):
<QUOTE><A href="spy-internal:Load/175#26">#26</A>
I think PCs and consoles are equal on [the gaming] field, they both can run eachothers' games without a problem. Name a PC game that will have any trouble working on a console.
</QUOTE>

You don't *quite* have me convinced... but I see your point.

<b>advance</b> (#32):
<QUOTE><A href="spy-internal:Load/175#26">#26</A>
<I>BTW, I am tired as hell, and I am not going to grammar/spell check this. No, I don't speak English natively..</I> </QUOTE>

Hehe, don't worry about it.
-Andy Wall<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#34 by "RahvinTaka"
2000-11-07 07:58:57
donaldp@mad.scientist.com
[warning]
I never really owned a console so this opinion may be slighty slanted
[/warning]

<b>#32</b> "advance" wrote...
<QUOTE><A href="spy-internal:Load/175#26">#26</A> - Gaming-wise, the main differences between consoles and the PC are:

1. Controllers
2. Connectability
3. Output ability

The PC has GamePads, most (if not all) new consoles support Keyboards and Mice, as well as other options. So Controllers aren't a problem anymore. Connectability means the ability to network with another similiar machine to allow multi-play. (Ignore same-machine multiplayer, e.g. split-screen </QUOTE>

The few times I played on consoles I found split-screen to rock ;) to a degree. I played a hell of a lot of race games and games like the tony hawk skate board game. I liked the fact of split screens as I could watch the other slippery buggers and make sure they don't crash in to me (or alternatively when I suck badly at a game make sure I crash into them ;]).

The only real difference I found is that consoles tend to be more social game with beer and pretzels being a regular feature of the game. PC games tend to be more individual things and tend to be less quality. I suppose the higher quality in console games is because it is a fixed platform and there is rigorous testing procedures. It will be interesting to see how the new consoles go considering they are really a hybrid computer/console.
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#35 by "advance"
2000-11-07 08:13:23
adiamant@isracom.net.il http://www.gifmail.com
#33 - We are talking theory here. Just saying that consoles can run everything a PC can. Of course, we need to remember that consoles are targeted at a different audience, of Joe's who don't know what a Command Prompt is. They just put a CD in the system and yey - a game! They won't bother with multi-player gaming, or keyboards + josticks. They'll play Zelda, Mario, Sonic, Tekken, whatever. That's their games, consoles games - consoles are aimed at a certain niche of gaming and gamers, and this isn't going to change soon, unfortunately. The PC will always remain the top platform for games for most of us in the PC forums.. :)
Sega.net is a step in the right direction, and will introduce these more "hardcore" games to less-harcore gamers. We'll see a totally new group of gamers join the internet with the advent of Sega.net and the release of the X-Box, as well as all other console/entertainment-networks launches.
Sorry that I don't have you convinced =) lol, I am not really trying, just stating my opinion. Hardware-wise - the console is equal to the PC. The problem is with the gamers themselves, and what they want and know.

#34 - The new console will be just fine, if you ask me. It's still a fixed platform. X-Box might be PC tech, but it's FIXED PC tech. That is the mother of all differences, the Daikatana of differences. ;) It won't crash, I trust M$ on that.....

By the way - LAN parties are just as social (although not as convenient, obviously). 10 guys (and game-grrls, hopefully..) dragging their PCs to a house, eating, watching TV/movies/porn/whatever, playing, exchanging files, whatever. It's awesome.
#36 by "advance"
2000-11-07 08:14:55
adiamant@isracom.net.il http://www.gifmail.com
Errr, LAN parties are just as social as consoles and gaming.

<QUOTE>... beer and pretzels being a regular feature of the game ...</QUOTE>

Now there's a quote of the day...
#37 by "Andy Wall"
2000-11-07 08:16:51
andywall@home.com http://www.therabbits.com
<b>advance</b> (#36):
<QUOTE>Errr, LAN parties are just as social as consoles and gaming.


<quote>... beer and pretzels being a regular feature of the game ...</quote>

Now there's a quote of the day...
</QUOTE>

Agreed!
-Andy Wall<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#38 by "AshRain"
2000-11-07 09:16:02
ash_rain@hotmail http://www.bkp-mods.com
Who are the admins here anyway? I think part of PC decline is because of the low quality topics and the lack of steering in them. Each thread ends in dozens of discussions about as much different things.

THe admins should summarize from time to time in a thread so that a thread gets more structure.

I would be more than willing to write some topics for PC.

--------------------
Dieing PC == <B>BAD THING(tm)!</B>
#39 by "godZero"
2000-11-07 09:42:01
#7 Brennan:
Although Andy is an a******, he did make a lot of traffic here with his controversial topics. Not that I like it, just wanted to mention it.

Morn: Let some more (chosen!) people post topics.
#40 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-11-07 09:42:46
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>AshRain</b> (#38):
<QUOTE>Who are the admins here anyway? I think part of PC decline is because of the low quality topics and the lack of steering in them. Each thread ends in dozens of discussions about as much different things.
</QUOTE>

What decline?  The last 3 topics have been posted by Morn and combined currently total 1046 posts.  I'd hardly call that "dying".

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#41 by "godZero"
2000-11-07 09:52:26
Take George Broussard, he got infected with Andy-virus. :-)

Seriously, some people I'd choose:

Steve Bauman (for "clever" topics)
Flamethrower (to make it interesting)
Warren Marshall (he always has something to say ;-))
George Broussard
RahvinTaka
#42 by "AshRain"
2000-11-07 09:59:03
ash_rain@hotmail http://www.bkp-mods.com
Warren Marshal,

I'm not referring to the quantity of the posts but more of the quality of it. The topics have become more and more erhm...dull is the best word. And the treads seem more chaotic than normal.

And about the dieing part. I was talking about Morn's remark about letting PC die. Cause if no admins are left to maintain the site then it will be R.I.P.
#43 by "advance"
2000-11-07 10:40:08
adiamant@isracom.net.il http://www.gifmail.com
Hmmm, maybe the...

<quote>Feel free to discuss... anything. You know, just like usual.</quote>

part is what ruins it. In PC we are all sort of like a class of .. er, 'slower' kids. We need guidance to the topics to discuss. Otherwise, this is just a big forum. And that's not PC.
#44 by "Apache"
2000-11-07 10:52:13
apache@stomped.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
<A HREF="http://www.dailyradar.com/features/game_feature_page_1765_1.html">Be very afraid</a> :)
#45 by "Darkseid-[D!]"
2000-11-07 11:23:30
Darkseid-d@planetcrap.com http://www.pcinformer.co.uk
Ive posted quite a few topics.

Want to know why theres a dearth of topics ?

behaviour.

we _really_ need to cut out all the ad hominem shit that gets tossed at people.

I post someone elses topic and its me cops the hassle and hatemail.  Wonder why Andy was so damn aggravating, try getting the 'love' letters he was getting.  Its not fun when you dedicate some precious (unpaid, unrewarded, unappreciated...) free time to writing a topic..... only for various loudmouths to call you every name under the sun. Worse still, when you post someone ELSES topic and cop the flak for it.

Oh and having the readership of other websites spew vitriol at you in email is such fun. Such excellent examples of dross as 'I didnt read your article, but youre wrong, so and so is always right'.

Interpretations go a long way, the email OMM sent the admins offering to assist with webhosting... which _quite_ fairly could be seen as offering to 'buy' PC. Not saying it is, just saying thats a fair and valid interpretation. In some peoples minds (and in some legal situations) hosting == ownership. Well technically I guess its more hosting == liability.  Thats it, the whole story, the reason why Chet and Andy yammered at one another. Decide what you will from it. (and no, I wont be posting that email in entirety because we were asked not to).

yet more fun again is people accusing the wrong people of things ...

Andy == gone, no more, he is an exposter, has has shuffled off this posting coil, he has fucked off, he has been driven out, he has been exfuckingcommunicated, he has severed links, he has scarpered, he has done a bunk, he is gone.

Morn == site owner, he pays the bills, he sets up the web code, he is der ubermeister, the banner decider, the guy who ultimately decides whether pc dies (again). Be nice to him.

Craig == Crapspy's creator, nice guy, coding freeware with so many nifty features, be nice to him.

The people who wanted Andy out, congratulations, you got rid of him. Happy now? Enjoying the dearth of topics are we?  Smug in the heart warming knowledge you got rid of that horribly biased web hack who never checked facts and was always wrong? Gleeful that various campaigns crossed lines and in order to avoid being stressed out over _NOTHING_ he left. I hope youre glad, I truly do.

Submissions, Ive made it clear, repeatedly that Id be more than happy to take topic submissions. That is, formed topics, not just 'hey write something about Lowtax and Billy Wilsons involvement in sheep pr0n smuggling from new mexico'. How many submissions have I recieved ? At the last count, and bear with me while I double check. Yep, thought so, precisely fuck all squared.

Submit them, if theyre 'decent' theyll get posted. Simple, isnt it.

Ungrateful. People spouting about how this sucks, that sucks, we should do this, do that, fix this fix that. Shut the fuck up. Its a free site, you pay zip for it, show some appreciation from time to time. Jeez, I mean c'mon, I know its easier to destroy than fix, but sitting around carping and pointing fingers doesnt do much. All it allows you to do is smile smugly to yourself and say 'told you so' when things get worse.

Anyway, Im having a shitty day already, so Im about to go stick my head under the cappucino machine and turn it on, just to see if that much caffeine will help.

Ds
#46 by "Datafox"
2000-11-07 11:45:57
datafox@yahoo.com http://madownage.net
Both are fun but consoles are better for parties since they are smaller and games often are easier to get into.

PCs are great for playing guys almost anytime anywhere and for playing old games from years past.

I enjoy both. There is no way you can get me to give up one for the other.

And #8 MS has made some bug free sw like Solitare and minesweeper and other little small progs.
#47 by "Foogla"
2000-11-07 11:46:42
Foogla@somethingawful.com
re: #44

DR spraking of the "Threshs" that might take Planetside over:

"We've found that even if they do group up they tend to play as solo entities to try to get the best score, but they're not using teamwork."

That really sounds like bull. But on another note, the whole article sounds like bull. :/


re: #45

So Lowtax killed Andy (or PC if it comes to that)? ;)
#48 by "Foogla"
2000-11-07 11:50:05
Foogla@somethingawful.com
Erm, it's not DR speaking (e != r) but the the guy who is making Planetside.
#49 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-11-07 11:50:39
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>Darkseid-[D!]</b> (#45):
<QUOTE>Ungrateful. People spouting about how this sucks, that sucks, we should do this, do that, fix this fix that. Shut the fuck up. Its a free site, you pay zip for it, show some appreciation from time to time. Jeez, I mean c'mon, I know its easier to destroy than fix, but sitting around carping and pointing fingers doesnt do much. All it allows you to do is smile smugly to yourself and say 'told you so' when things get worse. </QUOTE>

This sums up the entire internet dude.  Not that I disagree with you, but find me ONE web page or ONE messageboard where people are saying "Gee, so and so is doing a great job!" or "Wow, this is a great site because of all the positive energy it puts out".  You won't find any.  Trust me, I've looked.

It's the nature of anonymous people to bitch.  Some are so completely consumed by it that they create web pages dedicated to it like Evil Avatar, Fat Babies or Flamethrower.  Most are content to take pot shots at whichever developer (or other high profile person, like Andy) dares to poke their heads up that day.

I'm not perfect.  I do it too.  We all do.  It wasn't always so, but it seems to be the norm nowadays.

Anyway ... I'm going to see if I can get some topics together in the coming weeks.  We'll see if we can get some conversation going that doesn't revolve around people hating me for sticking my head up.

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#50 by "wabut"
2000-11-07 12:00:23
wabut@yahoo.com http://www.madownage.net
No more andy? hmm.

Anybody watch Big Brother over the summer? no? didn't think so. Anyway, the public voted out the vocal outspoken William the first week. The public ruined the fun for themselves. Without Will there were no more arguments. No more controversy. Just a bunch of people sitting around. talking. boring everybody and pushing the ratings into the crapper.

Anybody watch Survivor? If the public got the chance, Rich would've been gone immediatly. no more fat, gay, VERY HATED survivor on the island. The ratings soared every week. People wanted to see him fail. Who would kick his ass? Who would knock him off his high horse and into the shit that just came out of the horse's ass?

bob: "damn i hate billy"
sam: "same here. that bastard always slacks"
jacob: "I know. jeez. you know what guys... I'm gonna tell billy how much i fucking hate him!"
bob: "yeah!"
sam : "wait... if you kick his ass, who are we gonna talk about here at the water cooler?"
jacob : "hey. how about those kings? beat them blazers last night!"
sam : "shut the fuck up"
bob : "damn i hate billy"
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