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Letters, Letters Everywhere, and not a drop to drink...
August 21st 2000, 23:30 CEST by TomC

Well, here's a random time-filler topic for all you nightclub people - you are nightclub people, aren't you?



So. Acronyms, eh? What's that all about then? Well, many would say they're a simple means of saving oxygen, by virtue of reducing the number of syllables vocalised.

I, on the other hand, would contend that they are merely used, in this day and age, as a means to mysticising already-arcane jargon. QED.

Whatever. I'll get down to the meat of the gist of the crux of this topic now. This is more a survey than anything, I suppose.

Anyway, it struck me the other day, that in this modern, online world, very few of us ever actually speak to one another - which makes spoken language somewhat intriguing.

For example, it's commonly-held knowledge that SCSI is not 'S-C-S-I', but 'scuzzy' - but that's a term that's been around longer than the net's current ubiquity. With other terms, how do we know how to pronounce them? Those old chestnuts Linux ('Lie-nucks'? Or maybe 'Linnucks' to rhyme with 'bollocks'?) and gibs (blatantly 'jibs', but so many people persist in chopping the end off 'gibbon'... poor primate...) spring readily to mind.

And so, without further ado, how do you pronounce these acronyms and assorted other silly techy words?

  • IDE (Caesar's nightmare, or a simple acronym?)
  • DRAM (a shot of Scotch or a male sheep in Holland?)
  • LOL (spell it out, or 'loll'... or something else entirely?)
  • IRC (I'd always assumed it'd be I-R-C... but apparently whoever named IRCle doesn't see it that way...)
  • AOpen (I mean... wtf? 'Owpen'? 'Ayopen'? Who knows?)
  • pr0n (hehe - uh, I mean, 'prawn' or 'pron' or what? Seriously, now.)

You may well claim that this is a pointless and uninspiring topic. You'd be right.

I'm bored, you're bored - so stop whinging.

C O M M E N T S
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#1 by ""
2000-08-21 23:31:18
werd
#2 by "Jadawin"
2000-08-21 23:45:45
jadawin@wildmail.com
Since I pronounce giblets, from whence gibs is derived IIRC, with a hard g at the beginning, "jibs" isn't particularly blatant.

What can I say- I'm pointless and uninspiring.
#3 by "AmbushBug"
2000-08-21 23:46:24
ambushbug@portalofevil.com
TWAIN - Technology Without An Interesting Name

That one always made me chuckle.

-AB
#4 by "Tom Cleghorn"
2000-08-21 23:49:04
tc10@st-andrewsspam?tryit.ac.uk http://www.fisty.com/~tom
<quote>Since I pronounce giblets, from whence gibs is derived IIRC, with a hard g at the beginning, "jibs" isn't particularly blatant.</quote>
You'd be wrong then :)
#5 by "Konrad"
2000-08-22 00:05:10
I predict these acronyms will become the Esperanto of the online world.  (Actually, maybe that's not the best example, but you know what I mean).  Eventually we'll all be conversing in some moronic <a href="http://www.markside.com/board/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000021.html">BANGLADESHISPEK</a> where English is bastardised down to the level where grammar becomes an irrelevance and every word is shortened into an acronym or a phonetically similar substitute.  If it's anything like <a href="http://www.engrish.com/">Engrish</a> though it may be forgivable just for its amusement value.

I wonder what this little 'Site Ads' function in CrapSpy is for?

<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#6 by "Craig"
2000-08-22 00:15:56
craigl@globalnet.co.uk http://www.planetcrap.com/crapspy/
<b>Konrad</b> (#5):
<QUOTE>I wonder what this little 'Site Ads' function in CrapSpy is for?

</QUOTE>CrapSpy will be running banner ads for the GameFan Network starting this thursday. I have heard they are very reliable.

Only kidding.. the site ads feature will display an ad if a site uses banner advertising. If the script is configured to allow it then the ad can be hidden.

Craig<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#7 by "Todd G."
2000-08-22 00:21:30
toddg@ftel.net
I claim this to be a pointless and uninspiring topic.

</quote>You may well claim that this is a pointless and uninspiring topic. You'd be right.
<quote>

Lets spice it up a bit:
HEY WINDOWS 0wnz LINUX
GAMESPY INDUSTRIES RULES

This should make the thread more interesting<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#8 by "Todd G."
2000-08-22 00:22:18
toddg@ftel.net
damn I messed up the quotes<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#9 by "Konrad"
2000-08-22 00:23:21
<b>Craig</b> (#6):
<QUOTE>the ad can be hidden. </QUOTE>
K3WL.

And I'd like to take this opportunity to say that CrapSpy rocks me harder than KISS and Kid Rock combined.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#10 by "Rambar"
2000-08-22 00:25:59
Its so obviously pronounced with a hard G.
Isn't the pronounciation disputed among the Id employes as well or am I hallucinating?
--
Rambar
#11 by "Tom Cleghorn"
2000-08-22 00:27:32
tc10@st-andrewsspam?tryit.ac.uk http://www.fisty.com/~tom
<quote>Its so obviously pronounced with a hard G.</quote>
How so? It's 'so obviously' shortened from 'giblets' (the guts and innards of (for example) a chicken).
#12 by "Rambar"
2000-08-22 00:30:28
<QUOTE>How so? It's 'so obviously' shortened from 'giblets' (the guts and innards of (for example) a chicken).</QUOTE>

Its obvious because I decided that it would be a hard G the first time I saw the word.  I mean what more can you expect.
--
Rambar
#13 by "Bubba-Fett"
2000-08-22 00:50:40
romy_of_antioch@hotmail.com
<b>#11</b> "Tom Cleghorn" wrote...
<QUOTE>
<quote>Its so obviously pronounced with a hard G.</quote>
How so? It's 'so obviously' shortened from 'giblets' (the guts and innards of (for example) a chicken).
</QUOTE>

I kinda wonder where all those pronounciations of acronyms truly come from...it's not like there's a vocal community on the net. And make sure to get your Player hater Degree. Because no one can go without one.

Bubba-Fett, PhD
Battlecruiser Suck 5 B.C.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#14 by "Twitch"
2000-08-22 01:07:12
twitch@gamepig.com http://www.gamepig.com
Ever few months I have to go track down the link answering this question.

Carmack himself said, at some convention or developer conference, that gibs was pronounced with the same sound that starts "jail."

Consdiering that the phrase was coined in those offices, and they pronounced it "jibs" - the alternative is simply incorrect. If you pronounce "gibs" the same way you pronounce "give," then the only reasonable conclusion is that you are a slope-headed baboon. Although this also has been a sort point between myself and the significant other :)

Anyway, please take my word on the Carmack thing so I don't have to go find the damn link again!
#15 by "Phod"
2000-08-22 01:24:39
phod@bigfoot.com
TLA's I love em, hate em

MDR :@)

Phod.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#16 by "bagofmice"
2000-08-22 01:39:41
rcastle@microsoft.com
ASDF!

Do you really want to know exactly how jeffK pronounces his words?

I think some things are better off not touched.

btw, for contractors at our company there is a glossary of tech terms and acronyms and how to pronounce them, but some are so hideously convoluted that it has been a staple of jokes played upon the hapless hire.


<i>/me chuckles and mentions a fiber based medium.</i>
#17 by "G-Man"
2000-08-22 01:40:38
jonmars@shiftlock.org http://www.shiftlock.org
<b>#14</b> "Twitch" wrote...
<QUOTE>Carmack himself said, at some convention or developer conference, that gibs was pronounced with the same sound that starts "jail." </QUOTE>
I know that. But do you do <i>everything</i> that JC tells you to do? <b>G</b>iblets it is.

<b>#Main Post</b> "TomC" wrote...
<QUOTE>For example, it's commonly-held knowledge that SCSI is not 'S-C-S-I', but 'scuzzy' - but that's a term that's been around longer than the net's current ubiquity. </QUOTE>
Originally SCSI was pronounced 'sexy'. I feel that this explains a lot about the geek community.

 - [g.man]<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#18 by "Jadawin"
2000-08-22 01:44:14
jadawin@wildmail.com
OK, so I'm wrong (just hit dictionary.com). I still think gibs sounds better ;)
#19 by "Fred Estaire"
2000-08-22 02:01:41
Fred@estaire.com
Didn't you read those TPS reports?
#20 by "Twitch"
2000-08-22 02:24:53
twitch@gamepig.com http://www.gamepig.com
#17 wrote:
<QUOTE>#14 "Twitch" wrote...
Carmack himself said, at some convention or developer conference, that gibs was pronounced with the same sound that starts "jail."

I know that. But do you do everything that JC tells you to do? Giblets it is. </QUOTE>

Of course I do. Don't you?

In any event, the Carmack thing is just further proof. It is <i>morally wrong</i> to not pronounce it "jibs."  Since you disagree, I am forced to conclude that you're some sort of Communist.
#21 by "Dethstryk"
2000-08-22 02:32:42
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>Twitch wrote in post #20:</b>
<quote>Since you disagree, I am forced to conclude that you're some sort of Communist.</quote>
Communist jokes always seem really dry and boring to me now, but for some reason I laughed my ass off at Twitch's post. Just thought I'd chime in with some meaningless crap to throw on top of the other meaningless crap.

Hey, I'm not saying the pronunciation of "gib" isn't important, but it's kind of a moot point to worry about.

Besides, it's pronounced like Carmack said it, damnit.

Oh, and I really feel sorry for quotation marks on a computer. While one character space is typically reserved for just that, one character, quotation marks have to fit two little lines into one space. What cruel bastards came up with the idea to put down the quotation mark?

Sorry, just kind of in a weird state today. It's one of those not enough sleep things.


--
Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#22 by "szcx"
2000-08-22 02:33:28
<quote>Didn't you read those TPS reports?</quote>
didn't you get the memo?  we're using new headers on the tps reports now.
#23 by "Mad_Dog"
2000-08-22 03:45:47
markyork@cox-internet.com
Let's see here...

<quote>IDE (Caesar's nightmare, or a simple acronym?)</quote>I. D. E.

<quote>DRAM (a shot of Scotch or a male sheep in Holland?) </quote>As a word. dgram

<quote>LOL (spell it out, or 'loll'... or something else entirely?) </quote>Spelled out. L. O. L.

<quote>IRC (I'd always assumed it'd be I-R-C... but apparently whoever named IRCle doesn't see it that way...) </quote>Again. I. R. C.

<quote>AOpen (I mean... wtf? 'Owpen'? 'Ayopen'? Who knows?) </quote>Huh? WTF is AOpen?

<quote>pr0n (hehe - uh, I mean, 'prawn' or 'pron' or what? Seriously, now.)</quote>prawn. Mmmm. Prawn.

IF you want acronym hell... take a look at unix. Daemons are suppoed to have the "d" pronounced as "dee". So if you call the IRC eirk, or something like that, the IRC server should be called eirk-dee. One thing has always bothered me with this.... bind. Berkely Internet Name-dee Daemon. By convention, it should be called bin-dee... but I call it bind (as in "I'm in a bind.")

I don't even want to touch the SQL=S.Q.L or Sequil argument.

Mark/Mad_Dog


You may well claim that this is a pointless and uninspiring topic. You'd be right.


I'm bored, you're bored - so stop whinging.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#24 by "Mad_Dog"
2000-08-22 03:47:50
markyork@cox-internet.com
ACK! Forgot to snip the last of <B>#0<B>.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#25 by "Dethstryk"
2000-08-22 03:53:58
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>Mad_Dog wrote in post #23:</b>
<quote>Huh? WTF is AOpen?</quote>
It's AcerOpen, a division of Acer. They make computer stuff, to put it easily.


--
Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#26 by "Mad_Dog"
2000-08-22 04:02:08
markyork@cox-internet.com
<B>Dethstryk wrote in post #25</b>

<quote>It's AcerOpen, a division of Acer. They make computer stuff, to put it easily. </quote>Ahhh... That explains it. I haven't bought a prepackaged PC in over 10 years (386sx/16).

Mark/Mad_Dog

Efnet irc #Windows attitude... [trident] i love how you guys have a smartass remark for everything<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#27 by "Dethstryk"
2000-08-22 04:08:20
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>Mad_Dog wrote in post #26:</b>
<quote>Ahhh... That explains it. I haven't bought a prepackaged PC in over 10 years (386sx/16). </quote>
They also make some damn fine motherboards, which are some of the best you can get out there, in my opinion anyway. Acer and AcerOpen makes about every kind of peripherial, so whatever is fair game.


--
Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#28 by "Ryan Greene"
2000-08-22 04:34:27
well, if you wanted to amek a tasteless joke about the Bee Gee's, I suppose you could pronounce it Gibs...
#29 by "Schlag!"
2000-08-22 04:59:45
toddgod@yahoo.com
What about URL? I've heard people pronounce it "earl" (and one of the writers for Suck.com makes a pun out of it by calling himself "duke of URL"), which drives me insane... it's You Are Ell, damnit!
#30 by "Mad_Dog"
2000-08-22 05:07:37
markyork@cox-internet.com
How about www? I think the English abbrieviate it to "dubs". I can get by hearing dub, dub, dub... but I prefer the whole w. w. w. .. then again, I like hearing h. t. t. p. slash. slash. before a website. But maybe that's 'cause I'm weird.

Mark/Mad_Dog<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#31 by "G-Man"
2000-08-22 05:11:11
jonmars@shiftlock.org http://www.shiftlock.org
You know I go to a fair amount of lan parties and tend to run into a similar (but far more distressing) problem. Namely pronouncing peoples' online nicks. I mean how exactly does one go about saying: szcx or Phod or RzE or Valeyard or bagofmice etc.

I often feel way too silly saying some of these names out loud, and trust me I picked <b>conservative</b> names for my example :)

 - [g.man]<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#32 by "Dethstryk"
2000-08-22 05:17:38
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
Think of saying "HTTP://" this way:

<quote>H Double-T P Colon Double-Slash</quote>
Slap a beat under it, and you have a hit rap song right there.


--
Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#33 by "Schlag!"
2000-08-22 05:27:18
toddgod@yahoo.com
#30 <quote>then again, I like hearing h. t. t. p. slash. slash. before a website.</quote>

Shouldn't that be H. T. T. P. frontslash frontslash?
#34 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-08-22 05:36:20
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com http://www.hulka.com
I remember a song Joe Walsh did about 10 years ago when all he did was sing stuff like IOU, R2D2, AT&T, AC/DC, blah blah blah..  It was a cute song, but I couldn't dance to it.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#35 by "Apache"
2000-08-22 06:19:38
apache@voodooextreme.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
retarded = re_tar-d'ed/
#36 by "anonoman"
2000-08-22 06:38:55
Speaking of retarded, lurker de-lurks long enough to post an old e-mail that went around work:

Read this very out LOUD.
"I am we Todd it".
"I am sofa king we Todd it."


Still warms my heart to picture my boss reading this and then looking up and saying "I don't get it."<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#37 by "Jeremy"
2000-08-22 06:55:13
jnthornh@eos.ncsu.edu
<b>#Main Post</b> "TomC" wrote...
<QUOTE>
IRC (I'd always assumed it'd be I-R-C... but apparently whoever named IRCle doesn't see it that way...) </QUOTE>
My ex-girlfriend actually used to pronounce IRC as "irk" and MIRC as "murk." (I guess she still does actually)

It's no wonder she's my <b>ex</b>-girlfriend.  The ability to correctly pronounce computer related acronyms should be one of <b>the</b> most important things to look for in a woman.

I have yet to figure out why some people plop a hard "G" sound at the beginning of gibs... it is most certainly a "j" to me.

<b>#23</b> "Mad_Dog" wrote...
<QUOTE>You may well claim that this is a pointless and uninspiring topic. You'd be right. </QUOTE>
Bah.  I love discussions about the English language and computer jargon.  Of course I'm probably the <i>only</i> one who really does...

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get some sleep.  The cable modem fairy is supposedly coming tomorrow, so with any luck I'll have a nifty rdusomethingsomething.nc.rr.com hostname just like my hero, Warren Marshall!

This is completely off topic and related to something said in a previous thread... but Warren, you mentioned that you live near the Epic office... so I'm guessing they are based in the RTP?  If that's the case, I never knew they were actually within a few miles of me...

Maybe if I stop by the offices you could give me a free copy of UT or something, since I'm still hesitant to go out and buy it for fear of bad performance ;)

Jeremy
--
Despite your efforts to be a romantic hero, you will gradually evolve into a postmodern plot device. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#38 by "Paul"
2000-08-22 07:00:13
paul@paulbullman.com http://www.paulbullman.com
Back when I first heard about linux I pronounced it as it was told to me, Len Ix.

However, i gave it some thought, and every since then I've pronounced it like Linus, or Linux.

As far as IRC is concerned. Pronoucing it IRK, sounds like you're being hit from behind, or just closed a door on your finger. That's nonsense, IRC, should be I-R-C.

Then again, at this point I'm surprised i'm even able to type let alone comment on how people talk. Word of advice, before you move to a new apartment make sure you get all the utilities filled out well ahead of time. And make sure you call the companies numerous times. It took 5 calls over the last few days to city hall for everything to finally get worked out, at least they say it's worked out. At this point, I don't believe 'em though.

Paul A. Bullman
<a href = "http://www.shrinkweb.com">Shrinkweb.com</a>
#39 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-22 07:06:11
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>Jeremy</b> (#37):
<QUOTE>This is completely off topic and related to something said in a previous thread... but Warren, you mentioned that you live near the Epic office... so I'm guessing they are based in the RTP? If that's the case, I never knew they were actually within a few miles of me... </QUOTE>

Yeah, we're just off of Jones Franklin Road, on Capital Center Drive ... and that's all the info I'm giving you!  :P

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#40 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-22 07:11:08
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>Twitch</b> (#20):
<QUOTE>In any event, the Carmack thing is just further proof. It is <I>morally wrong</I> to not pronounce it "jibs." Since you disagree, I am forced to conclude that you're some sort of Communist. </QUOTE>

LOL!

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#41 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-22 07:12:00
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>szcx</b> (#22):
<QUOTE><quote>Didn't you read those TPS reports?</quote>
didn't you get the memo? we're using new headers on the tps reports now.
</QUOTE>

"PC Load Letter"?  What the FUCK does that mean?!

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#42 by "PainKilleR-[CE]"
2000-08-22 07:53:17
painkiller@planetfortress.com http://www.planetfortress.com/tftech/
well in any case I've always pronounced it gibs with the g, just as I pronounce giblets with the g (and yes I know that one's wrong, I just dont care), and gif with the g (yep, that one's wrong too, and again I dont care).

IRC is I Are See, but mIRC is Murk, pIRCh is Perch, Xircon is Zearkon.

I Dee Eee, DeeRam, Loll, AyOpen, Prone pretty much rounds up the rest of them.

As for people's online names, it's not bad enough I'm in Clan Erinyes (really, how many people would even know where to start with that one without hitting dictionary.com at least once?), but I've got clanmates with names like Xerxes, Xanthus, Seretogis, lapetos, Zarniwoop, Zaleon, Dkid, and Tyr (and there're 2 Tyrs, somehow, no offense to any of the people listed if they're out there reading, and I'm sure someone here has worked with Zarn at least once).

-PainKilleR-[CE]
#43 by "Orochi Florist"
2000-08-22 08:31:22
dootyj@hotmail.com
<b>#42</b> "PainKilleR-[CE]" wrote...
<QUOTE>and gif with the g (yep, that one's wrong too,</QUOTE>
/me demands proof!

it's <b>GRAPHICAL</b> Interchange Format

Why should the pronounciation of an acronym be different than the words it stands for?

Jiraffical Interchange format?<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#44 by "AnalFissure"
2000-08-22 09:19:00
This might sound a bit <b><i>re_tar-d'ed</i></b>, but if Webster wanted giblets to be pronounced with a soft "jib", they should have spelt it that way.

So, given the above, and the fact that I'm an english speaking <i>canadian</i>, I feel it's my god given right to screw with proper pronounciation, and go with the hard <b>g</b>.

Besides, it sounds much better than way -- "jib" sounds so sissy!
#45 by "AnalFissure"
2000-08-22 09:22:24
That is, at least when dealing with Quake...

I mean, its <b>g</b>ibs are in a league of their own, anyway.
#46 by "Tom Cleghorn"
2000-08-22 09:30:36
tc10@spammegoonidareya.st-andrews.ac.uk http://www.fisty.com/~tom/
<b>Painkiller:</b>
<quote>As for people's online names, it's not bad enough I'm in Clan Erinyes (really, how many people would even know where to start with that one without hitting dictionary.com at least once?)</quote>
Ooh, me sir, me! :)
'Air-in-yayz' :)
Sorry, that's the classicist in me coming out...
Someone mentioned nicks and <i>their</i> pronunciation... which is a very good point, since some of you do have very odd nicks...
#47 by "Gestalt"
2000-08-22 10:20:03
john@eurogamer.net http://www.eurogamer.net
"Besides, it sounds much better than way -- "jib" sounds so sissy!"

Whereas if you say "gib" it sounds like you're talking about a member of the Bee Gees. How much more sissy do you want to get? ;) Seriously though, everyone knows that it's correctly pronounced as "jib". Can we stop arguing about it now?
#48 by "Apache"
2000-08-22 11:01:43
apache@voodooextreme.com http://www.voodooextreme.com
Fuck, I am thinking of the "Ryhme of the Ancient mariner" from Iron Maiden.

I'm thinking of those 10 times I've requested admin privileges to post topics here at PC.

"Hello, world!"
#49 by "Fortyseven[BTEG]"
2000-08-22 11:49:06
47@apple2.com http://www.bteg.com
This is one of my least favorite topics. :)  But I'll throw in the story about how me and a friend of mine from about 6 years ago used to argue back and forth over the pronounciation of .GIF files...I said "jif", he said "gif".  The ranting continued for a while, until I came across this one .gif that came with CompuShow...it was a gif89 animation that had a digitized pic of the ORIGINAL CREATOR of the .GIF format in the desert, with text over it...at the end of the animation it says "Oh, by the way, it's pronounced 'jif'."

I was vindicated. :)

For the record, I'm also of the state of mind that it's I.R.C., but still say "mirk" for mIRC, DeeRAM, EssDeeRAM, Scuzzy, U.R.L., Lin-nucks, G.U.I., etc. :)

English sucks...
#50 by "Bubba-Fett"
2000-08-22 11:58:47
romy_of_antioch@hotmail.com
Isn't G.U.I. pronounced "Gooey"? That what my mom told me anyways, and I don't trust her one bit. This topic isn't very exciting...How bout those Russian Subs...wtf was up with that? The water depth was what, 250 ft? Someone care to 'splain to me why the rescue efforts failed, and why the Russians were so tight-lipped about the situation at hand?
Bub.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
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