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The Future of Planetcrap's Message Board
January 7th 2012, 08:01 CET by Charles

With Quarter to Three in the process of becoming a forum that no one can post on at all (with a current 1/15th of the posts belonging to banned users), is this finally Planetcrap's chance to regain the spotlight? Will the site revive? WILL MORN COME BACK?

Probably not.
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#36 by G-Man
2012-01-08 20:06:03
Capybara which I know nothing about except that they made Might & Magic Clash of Heroes. Seems like it would be a waste to have AAA guys making 2D games in small teams, and it is hard to imagine one could make more money that way but whatever.
#37 by Jamie
2012-01-08 20:57:30
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
Maybe it's a big fish in a small pond kind of thing.

blog | Twitter | The Psychology of Gaming

"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble
#38 by Mank
2012-01-08 21:18:03
I'm really surprised that Morn continues to keep PC running. I'm also really glad that he does. ~14 years ago....sheesh.

/nostalgia

#39 by Greg
2012-01-08 22:06:58
I believe they also made Sword and Sworcery or whatever it's called.

#40 by Gabe
2012-01-08 22:16:31
http://www.dartpublishing.com
G-Man, I know it might be a shocking concept, but money isn't the sole determination of how happy you are in life.
#41 by Shadarr
2012-01-08 22:44:57
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
#31 by Gunp01nt

Charles - why the job switch? I was under the impression you really liked your job at ubisoft and working on AC.

Charles did indeed enjoy working on AC.  However, that was a while ago.  Since then he's been in Toronto working on Splinter Cell 6 and some other game he can't talk about.  Apparently the code was garbage, the team was full of morons and the leads were part of the problem, so he got out.  The advantage of going indie is that you don't have to deal with the bureaucratic bullshit of a 400 person team and a giant company.  I imagine Charles wants to feel like he actually has some impact on the game he's working on.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#42 by Milan Brezovský
2012-01-08 23:03:10
http://uglycode.com
Like I mentioned elsewhere, I talked to the guy who made music for Descent II, Freespace 1+2, Saints Row 2+3, Red Faction 1-3 and he went indie and basically he said
- less money
- more hours
+ more freedom
+ more happiness

So really, the choice is very simple.

Parhelic Triangle is coming. Eventually.
#43 by Jibble
2012-01-08 23:05:33
I'm guessing he also wants to work on things that he would actually want to play.

I want to go to there.

Blog. 183 lbs.  3 to go.
#44 by gaggle
2012-01-08 23:32:21
It's nice to want things.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." : : - FML
#45 by G-Man
2012-01-09 01:27:43
Maybe more obscurity too. So you are indie and you have full control etc. and you make DS games? I guess I just assumed that the kinds of games that Charles liked most were AAA games with tons 'o features and 3D 'splosions and stuff. At least a modern Ultima type thing with complicated game systems and AI.
#46 by BobJustBob
2012-01-09 01:33:31
They make iOS games, you damn Luddites. Get with the times.

BUYBUYBUY
#47 by CheesyPoof
2012-01-09 01:40:38
iOS is the hottest gaming platform out there now!

And clearly I am a luddite being left behind because I've only played Jetpack Joyride, Mahjong and some Solitaire game.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#48 by CheesyPoof
2012-01-09 01:41:07
I actually bought Sworecery, but when I needed headphone to play it I never got into it.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#49 by Gabe
2012-01-09 02:22:42
http://www.dartpublishing.com
It took me awhile to even figure out how to start the game. You have to be in landscape mode. It struck me as indie wankery and I never played it again.
#50 by Greg
2012-01-09 03:09:10
So therein lies the rub. Charles is going to make indie games for the pretentiousness factor, which has be so far excluded from the discussion.

#51 by Jamie
2012-01-09 03:33:40
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
I've had Sworcerey for several months now but have yet to play it. I really should.

blog | Twitter | The Psychology of Gaming

"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble
#52 by Shadarr
2012-01-09 04:09:29
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
Charles has been pretty clear in the past that he thinks today's AAA games have gotten so complex and the teams have gotten so large that it's very difficult to have an impact.  He wants to make awesome games and make a real contribution toward making them awesome.  It's a lot easier to do that when you're 20% of the dev team rather than .25%.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#53 by Wudi
2012-01-09 04:23:02
Well, Tom Dick squelched me for supporting Angies pigeon thread and calling him out on Brad's "temp ban" lol.

But, nice post Shadarr.

Zep--

w0rd up!
#54 by Wudi
2012-01-09 04:24:26
Tom's PM:

Given your history on the forum, I don't think we really need to play with infractions and such, do we? I presume you'll be happier going elsewhere to post.

-Tom


Hsitory? What fucking history?

w0rd up!
#55 by CheesyPoof
2012-01-09 04:38:39
Do you eat at the Y?

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#56 by Wudi
2012-01-09 04:49:06
Yes, I posted that..and that was somehow worse than a Bill D rant?

I mean really....

w0rd up!
#57 by Wudi
2012-01-09 04:50:41
alson...ONE DAMN TIME. Not continuously like Aaron or Bahimaron or Bill D or the rest of those fucking *kikes.

Zep--
*I like jews, really.

w0rd up!
#58 by Wudi
2012-01-09 04:51:56
Don't make me go all old scholl planetceap and call caryn a stupid cunt. COZ I WILL DO IT!

w0rd up!
#59 by Wudi
2012-01-09 04:56:30
Yes, I posted that..and that was somehow worse than a Bill D rant?

I mean really....


I will concede that I made a mistake deleting Shadarr's last post. My intentions were good, and as it bothers a few people, I've since undeleted it. If it's any reassurance to you, I honestly can't think of a single other post I've deleted since this thing began. Seriously. Not a single one. If anyone knows otherwise, please let me know.

-Tom

You deleted my post about Brad...except...no one will see it!

--Me

w0rd up!
#60 by Wudi
2012-01-09 05:06:20
Also, fuck Lum. I believe my old UO guild, Fuckheads, had a beef with him *coz he was a LB or Koster(sp?) Kiss ass or something.

Zep--
*I could be wrong but it rings a bell.

w0rd up!
#61 by Wudi
2012-01-09 05:09:22
*Thanks for being reasonable and answering my PM's like you say you do, Tom!

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

Zep--
*fuck you, really.

w0rd up!
#62 by Wudi
2012-01-09 05:10:13
Now is the time on Sprockets when we drink! TOUCH THE MONKEY!


Zep--

w0rd up!
#63 by Shadarr
2012-01-09 06:19:55
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
What was your username on qt3, Zep?

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#64 by CheesyPoof
2012-01-09 06:28:46
#56 by Wudi

Yes, I posted that..and that was somehow worse than a Bill D rant?

I mean really....

Ultimately irrelevant as these things get stuck in Tom's mind and twisted as the years go on. You had history, negative history, and that's a banning.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#65 by CheesyPoof
2012-01-09 06:35:08
#63 by Shadarr

What was your username on qt3, Zep?

His current one was Zepo1a. Last post in the 'Hatoful Boyfriend' thread.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#66 by Michael Ford
2012-01-09 06:35:56
kithless@gmail.com
It has yet to fail:

As soon as I forgive some past fucko in my heart, Tom immediately bans them TO DEATH.

It is like fucking clockwork.

... would I like to taper that off? Of course I would.
#67 by Michael Ford
2012-01-09 06:37:10
kithless@gmail.com
That's right, not 3, not 5... but for sexes. w,WDTEm?
#68 by Greg
2012-01-09 07:28:33
Hard to reinvent yourself when it's no different than the previous incarnation. Wonder if the greasemonkey script can block by IP as well as name? It's in the HTML after all.

#69 by Gunp01nt
2012-01-09 11:14:13
supersimon33@hotmail.com
#41 by Shadarr

#31 by Gunp01nt

Charles - why the job switch? I was under the impression you really liked your job at ubisoft and working on AC.

Charles did indeed enjoy working on AC.  However, that was a while ago.  Since then he's been in Toronto working on Splinter Cell 6 and some other game he can't talk about.  Apparently the code was garbage, the team was full of morons and the leads were part of the problem, so he got out.


Ah, I missed that part. Figured he'd just be working on AC++.

#36 by G-Man

Seems like it would be a waste to have AAA guys making 2D games in small teams, and it is hard to imagine one could make more money that way but whatever.


The top 1% of indie games seems to be doing pretty well. It's not hard to make money when your development costs are so low.
Plus, from what I read being an 'AAA guy' means you get to do only one specific thing, just like being a programmer in a large business software firm, you're consigned to your small little island. Working on an indie team probably means he gets to broaden his horizon skillwise.

She's probably had sex with like 4 different guys by now and has no idea who he is anymore, his face lost in a memory sea of dicks.
#70 by Shadarr
2012-01-09 12:01:03
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
#69 by Gunp01nt

Ah, I missed that part. Figured he'd just be working on AC++.

There's two threads over on BrokenForum.com that might interest you.  One is where he answers questions about games he's worked on, the other is him talking about AC Next.  Apparently it's a lot of the same people who worked on AC:B, except most of the leads left the company entirely so in that regard it's a whole new vision.  And apparently a whole new team made AC:R, which might explain why it hasn't been well received by fans of the series.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#71 by OwenButler
2012-01-09 15:09:01
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
#68 by Greg

Hard to reinvent yourself when it's no different than the previous incarnation. Wonder if the greasemonkey script can block by IP as well as name? It's in the HTML after all.

Thinking...

planetcrap quote script ? firefox : chrome : safari - my blag
#72 by Michael Ford
2012-01-09 15:44:19
kithless@gmail.com
Tom was nice enough to officially re-ban me. I am glad he was able to satisfy his desires in such a fashion. It is deliciously rare that an astonishingly petty person, takes it all the way to their logical conclusion.

Now, as for you people: you don't need to ban me, in order to ensure that the ebb and flow of whiny sycophantic d-bags you guys like to surround yourself and swim in, will not be adversely affected.

I never wanted to come back here, and I was quite content with all of you sliding off your own cocks in to Hell.

Get a nice haircut and get back to work, wage slaves. FYM. Never give up, never surrender.
#73 by yotsuya
2012-01-09 19:36:53
this is why I never went any of those forums. In it's odd way, PC stays pure.


Amen. When Morn comes to his senses and kills this place off, that'll be it for me. I check in here for the people, as I haven't been a "gamer" for quite some time now.

#74 by lwf
2012-01-09 21:41:22
As far as I know the only users ever banned at PC have been spambots.

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#75 by Caryn
2012-01-09 21:51:53
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
I've decided it almost sucks having two gamers in the house. We have to decide who gets to play single player Xbox games first, and then the losing person has to stay out of the living room at all times to make sure they don't spoil the game for themselves.

#76 by CheesyPoof
2012-01-09 21:54:15
At that point I think you need to get a second Xbox and then flip of coin for the good TV/crappy TV.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#77 by gaggle
2012-01-09 21:56:58
I was about to suggest that. There's also sharing the experience, the two of you in the couch can get mighty comfortable.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." : : - FML
#78 by Michael Ford
2012-01-10 03:02:51
kithless@gmail.com
Broken Forum - Error
You have been banned for the following reason: "I've been avoiding this community since 2008." Good plan. You should continue to do so...

So, now you know what happened to Tom Chick, tell you what.

I was banned from the other community for talking about another community, in the place where that community was assigned to gather, so, obviously, I should acknowledge this here, in THIS community. Not THAT community.

Millions of computers with billions of bits, and the height of your technological prowess is used for a securely-tunneled circle jerk.

Good work, Gabe! UNF.

Hello, lwf! I miss you too. NO ONE IS BANNED, NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN BANNED. WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BANNING EASTHOLEASIA.

It's gonna be a great year, that's for certitude. Peace.
#79 by Shadarr
2012-01-10 03:15:04
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
I hope you're running an actual spambot, because if you're manually typing all that nonsense it seems like a colossal waste of time.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#80 by Matt Perkins
2012-01-10 08:00:36
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I got banned because I wouldn't say I would play nice after bringing up it sure would be nice to game developers talk about games in some thread. Oh, and I suggested that banning his so called friends because they disagree with him wasn't very adult. Admittedly, I was done there. Fuck Tom and silly games. Take his ball, go home, great.

What post did you make that got temporarily deleted, Shadarr? And he claims that's the first post he has deleted? He's continually full of shit.

"programmers talk from a very deep gnome cavern, full of gold mechanics" - wisdom from the ancients
#81 by Mank
2012-01-10 08:36:23
I've not followed QT3 for a few years now, but from what I'm hearing elsewhere, it's an issue of age, longevity and a sense of self-martyrdom on the part of those involved. What's actually going on over there?

#82 by Shadarr
2012-01-10 11:36:39
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
Where are you hearing that line of bullshit? If you want the full story, go read the threads at Broken Forum where people give their theories on the reason for their own banning.

Here's the medium-length version:

After Tom threw a hissy-fit three months ago and unbanned everyone and "banned himself" (which actually just means he stepped back a bit, because apparently he was still monitoring reported posts and banning spammers), he decided to come back and reclaim his own forum.  The running theory is that because he is trying to turn QuarterToThree the site into his own independent game review site, he couldn't have people there with the temerity to question or disagree with him.

So, he banned a bunch of people without warning, sending them a PM form letter claiming irreconcilable differences.  Bob, Charles, Matt Gallant, Jeremy and Zeke were among this first group, as well as a couple people who nobody could really figure out a reason for the ban.  Then he created a thread called The Future of Quarter To Three where he explained who had been banned, stated that things were going to be different, but then when he talked about the details of how he was going to be moderating it sounded like exactly the same stuff he used to do before his "leaving forever" tantrum.  He also stated that the thread was for discussing the New World Order and encouraged people to discuss it.

People started to ask questions, like "Why did you ban Jeremy? He's the most inoffensive person I know." The answer to that one is that Tom has a long memory, but he apparently has a shoddy memory, and he actually meant to ban James Johnson, not Jeremy Johnsen.  I shit you not.  There was another poster, JM, who was subsequently banned and unbanned early in the thread, for reasons I'm not 100% clear on.  But apparently it was another mistake on Tom's part, though not a typo mistake.

People asked why certain other posters, who had no history of shit-disturbing or threadshitting, had been banned.  His answer to that was vague and evasive, as usual, but he claimed that he had tried to work with the people in question and they would agree that it was not something they could work out. Somebody then posted a message from one of the banned people refuting this, and saying that he had had no contact with Tom in over six months, and certainly did not agree to anything.  Tom banned the person who posted the email.

As always happens when Tom bans people and gives no reason, people got upset and started pointing out how badly he was handling things. Tom banned three of these people, despite earlier claiming he would not ban people for disagreeing with him.  He then edited the original post to imply that anyone who disagreed with his moderation is not welcome. Other people posted that they were leaving, and going to join Lum's forum.  At first, this did not earn a ban, and some people who posted goodbye messages early in the thread still have active accounts.  Later though, people who said goodbye publicly were banned.  I'm not exactly sure where in all of this, but Matt P and Deadlock were also banned for pointing out what a mess Tom was making of things.

Angie apparently got a PM from Tom saying that he wasn't going to ban her, but he thought it would be best if she left.  She agreed, said she was going to leave but asked that her account remain active because she was running some sort of forum game or something, and wanted to let people know where she would be continuing it.  He banned her.

We also learned recently that Frank, one of the people in the original list of banned people, had never argued with Tom on the site.  In fact, the only logical explanation for the ban was when he went on Tom's podcast, and Tom asked him his opinion on forum moderation, and he gave some suggestions on things Tom could do differently.

Brad Wardell showed up to gloat, because the Gallants were among the banned.  At first nobody called him on it because everyone knows arguing with Brad is almost as dangerous as arguing with Tom.  However, over on Lum's site Matt G and Angie and myself and others made some pointed remarks about what a dick Brad is.  Brad apparently read them, so then he really went off on what horrible people "they" are (presumably Matt and Angie, but he never had the balls to say their names), calling them sociopaths and horrible people and claiming that they would never pass the psych test required to work at Stardock.  He further went on to bring up all the ways he had been wronged in the past, which is a big no-no with Tom because he doesn't like people to drag arguments in from other threads.  He also made some jab at me because I had called him an "untouchable troll" on Lum's site.  I replied that we would see how touchable he is, because he had gone way past the line that would get most people banned.

I don't want to claim credit, but he did get a ban because of his mini-tantrum.  A three-day temp ban.  So, symbolic only, untouchableness intact.

By this time, a lot of the good posters who hadn't been banned were posting on Lum's site, and it was becoming clear that it would be the new home of the community, and qt3 would become something else. So at that point, I said fuck it and posted what I really thought about Tom's moderation style.  I made some very specific points about things I thought he had done wrong, including the "mistake" ban of Jeremy and the people who had been banned for saying goodbye, a day after other people had said goodbye in the same thread without getting banned.

Obviously, I got banned.  But before the ban went into effect, Tom posted that he was sorry he hadn't expressed himself better.  I replied that the problem had nothing to do with how he expresses himself.  Tom edited his reply to my long post and deleted my final post, but not before other people saw that the post was deleted.  They made a stink.  Tom claimed he was doing it so that I wouldn't appear "petty", but he undeleted my post.  That didn't fly. Somebody posted a quote from Tom where he stated that he never deletes posts, because that would be "dirty pool."  Tom then stated that mine was the only post he deleted in that thread, however our own lovable troll Zep says he was banned and had his final post deleted during the Brad Wardell flamewar.

I think that's pretty much the whole stupid saga.  Most of the people with high postcounts are over at Lum's forum, and in fact the number of posts in the game forum was higher on Lum's forum that QT3 today.


tl;dr   Tom is a liar and a hypocrite and may have actual, clinical mental issues.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#83 by m0nty
2012-01-10 11:44:56
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Alternative tl;dr: Ban ban ban ban, buh ban ban ban ban, Tom ought to be sedated.
#84 by Mank
2012-01-10 12:29:06
The running theory is that because he is trying to turn QuarterToThree the site into his own independent game review site, he couldn't have people there with the temerity to question or disagree with him.


Ahh, theory...which means speculation. I read the "future of QT3 message boards" thread just a few minutes ago(in it's entirety). I have never registered/posted there, but I have read the gaming threads available to the public, and over the years I have heard of people getting banned for violating the rules yet creating new ID's just to troll the forums(Derek Smart?). If I'm not mistaken, wasnt this was the reason he went to the unique e-mail registration system?

At any rate, his OP in the above mentioned thread is quite clear in what his terms are. QT3 has always been a place where developers and gamers could sit at the same table and discuss games in depth, and the signal-to-noise ratio was always quite high. I suspect that if the "running theory" you speak of is true, then it only makes sense that he would want to remove any negative elements. And yes, he gets to pick and choose who those negative elements are.

The most interesting(and entertaining) aspect of this episode is how quickly it reached the Godwin stage.

#85 by Wudi
2012-01-10 12:40:55
Tom Chick pisses me off because he doesn't follow the rules he makes which he expects everyone else to hold high and mighty.

I PMed him nicely (fo realz!) 4 times asking him to explain my ban and my "history". No reply. 5th time I try, account closed. Same thing he did the first time he banned me. No PM back, no working it out, hell I even apolgized the first time I was banned and....nothing.

So his PM me and we'll work it out rule is total bullshit unless you are one of the chosen few who joined the site in 1879.

So after being banned this time, I went to the front page and filled it up with cunts and cocks and vaginas.
Petty, yes, but i was pissed off he did it to me again.

[someone_is_wrong_on_the_internet.gif]

Zep--

w0rd up!
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