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Remember when the Wii was the future of gaming?
January 26th 2010, 01:02 CET by TreeFrog

Attitudes on the 'crap broadly reflect what I hear from my Wii-owning friends and from what little of the gaming press I read - the honeymoon's over and divorce is in the air. What happened?

Is it a shortage of games with any depth, since it's cheaper and easier to produce "party game" shovelware?
Is the platform's limited horsepower too big an obstacle for devs capable of producing A^64 games?
Is motion control just not that big of a deal after all?

And what does this mean for future hardware like Natal?
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#1 by hangedmanAG
2010-01-26 01:25:31
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Huh. New topic. How about that?

"when a man knows he is to be  hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully." Samuel Johnson
#2 by jjohnsen
2010-01-26 01:33:33
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My Wii gets turned on occasionally so my kids can play Lego Star Wars.  If I bought it on the 360 it would probably go months gathering dust.  They even stopped playing Super Mario Brothers Wii (which I thought would be a big hit with them) after about a week.  After I played it twice I realized it sucks, so I totally understand.

I play most of my games on my iPhone or the PC, it's just most convenient, especially for games I don't want to play in front of the kids.  And the type of games I like the most aren't usually on the Wii, or inferior version are on the Wii.

I'd sell it but I had to open it up once to get stuck disk out and I think people would be nervous about buying a used Wii that looks like it's been taken apart, so I doubt I'd get much for it.

#3 by Trunks
2010-01-26 02:52:36
I play all my systems equally mainly due to my backlog.

I still have to get through NMH, Madworld, MLAAK, Rune Factory Frontier, and Muramasa on Wii.

#4 by LPMiller
2010-01-26 03:25:35
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
What divorce? Have we missed it's still the number one selling console? Newsflash, it totally won this generation - you just weren't the target market.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#5 by Jamie
2010-01-26 03:53:32
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
It's funny how non-gamers seem to consider the Wii separate from gaming. My wife went to a mom's club thing and the other moms were talking about things they do for date nights with their husbands. Several of them, strangely, reported that they put the kids to bed and play the Wii. So my wife is now demanding that I hook ours back up and find some games for us to play. Several "if you wanted to play with my Wii all you had to do was ask..." jokes later, she's still serious and I'm faced with trying to figure out what games we'd both be able to stand.

Also, I recently hooked it up to our upstairs TV and my daughter is actually pretty good at Wii Bowling and Boxing. And she's passable at Golf.

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"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble
#6 by Jibble
2010-01-26 04:17:36
Just buy Wii Sports Resort and call it a day. I honestly can't think of anything else of note that's come out for that thing since it was released.

Unless you want to play stuttery Monkey Island...

I want to go to there.

Blog. 187 lbs.  7 to go.
#7 by McBain
2010-01-26 04:48:31
My Wii has sat in its box for years.  But when I go to other people's homes for dinner parties, they want to play Wii.

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#8 by Squeaky
2010-01-26 07:18:29
I couldn't tell you when the last time I turned my Wii on was.

#9 by gaggle
2010-01-26 14:05:43
Over the Christmas break three friends and I spent a whole day playing the new Super Mario Bros in coop. It was hi-larious. I don't think of the Wii as dead or failing because there's not a must-have game out every week, if they can keep putting out something interesting once or twice a year that's good enough for me. If I wanted weekly games I'd turn on my hardcore console of choice.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." - FML
#10 by LPMiller
2010-01-26 15:43:31
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Jibble
Just buy Wii Sports Resort and call it a day. I honestly can't think of anything else of note that's come out for that thing since it was released.

Unless you want to play stuttery Monkey Island...


New Super Mario, Zelda, Metroid, boom blox, De Blob, a boy and his blob, mario galaxy, mad world - this is just off the top of my head, there are a few others I enjoyed that I know I'm forgetting. You suck at etc, etc.

The problem is the hardcore bitch about a lack of hardcore games, then when they come out like Madworld, no one buys them. But the non hardcore continue to buy everything else. It's not a hardcore system, but it is a perfectly serviceable game system if you aren't a snob, and it cleaned up because of it.

Will that carry over to Wii 2? I dunno. If they make it like the DS of consoles, yes. But is going to mean incremental upgrades instead of generational ones.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#11 by jjohnsen
2010-01-26 16:38:12
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New Super Mario is broken.  That slight pause when another player dies was enough for my to put down the controller forever.  Maybe I'd play by myself, but that's it.

#12 by LPMiller
2010-01-26 17:17:34
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I've never noticed a pause when someone dies.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#13 by CheesyPoof
2010-01-26 17:19:32
Newsflash, it totally won this generation - you just weren't the target market.

Mostly irrelevant to me. Their winning or losing doesn't matter as long as the games I like are going to be made on the 360 and whatever comes after it. The problem is that MS and Sony have been in awe of arm flapping and with Project Natal and whatever scheme Sony has cooked up may threaten that.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#14 by Jibble
2010-01-26 18:00:01
#10 by LPMiller

New Super Mario

Played it at the in-laws. Saw no reason to buy it. Fun for a bit, but not fantastic.

Zelda

To play with his wife? No. To play alone? ... No.

Metroid

Haven't played it. Didn't really care for Prime, so I probably never will.

boom blox

Point conceded, except that the game eventually devolves into a wealth of impossible nightmare levels.

De Blob

Enh. Cute, but not anything particularly noteworthy.

a boy and his blob

Haven't played it, so I don't know.

mario galaxy

Blech.

mad world

Double blech.

The problem is the hardcore bitch about a lack of hardcore games

I'm not complaining about a lack of hardcore games. I'm complaining about a lack of games that take advantage of the motion controls in a way that's enjoyable. The Wii was supposed to get us up off the couch and swinging around with great hilarity. Only one of the games you mentioned does that in some token way (Boom Blox).

Wario Ware is a decent one for that. So is Wii Sports Resort. Looking at the best-sellers list, I see only three games that takes good advantage of the control scheme and aren't crappy or shovelware.

then when they come out like Madworld, no one buys them.

I'm not particularly interested in button mashing with motion controls. I didn't buy a Wii to play hardcore games. I bought it because the promise of motion control seemed boundless. Sadly, it turns out that most developers seem to think that all you can do with motion contols is mapping "Flick Wii Remote" to what would otherwise have been the X button.

I want to go to there.

Blog. 187 lbs.  7 to go.
#15 by hangedmanAG
2010-01-26 18:05:12
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I never got a wii. Initially, I wasn't sure if it was anything other than a moderately fun party toy, but now seeing the massive amounts of worthless shovelware that constitutes its library, I'm feeling pretty good about saving my ducets.

It's a shame, because aside from its unique controls (which I can take or leave), there really is a market for casual games and a system that is friendly towards kids, women and other non-videogame playing adults. Unfortunately, these are the exact markets that can be easily exploited by the cheap, worthless crap that seems to be flooding the stores.

"when a man knows he is to be  hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully." Samuel Johnson
#16 by LPMiller
2010-01-26 18:11:46
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CheesyPoof
Newsflash, it totally won this generation - you just weren't the target market.

Mostly irrelevant to me. Their winning or losing doesn't matter as long as the games I like are going to be made on the 360 and whatever comes after it. The problem is that MS and Sony have been in awe of arm flapping and with Project Natal and whatever scheme Sony has cooked up may threaten that.


it's not irrelevant to you at all, and Natal is why. Motion control is here to stay, and the Wii drove that. Whether we want it or not, really.

The point here, is the topic idea rings a bit false. There is no divorce when the Will is still radically outselling everyone else, and when the other guys are working like bastards to emulate the one selling point the Wii has over their hardware. Even if Nintendo never ever releases another console, the Wii has had a massive impact on consoles in general. They've shown them there is a larger market out there; they've come up with a 'new' control scheme they want (regardless of how well devs implement it, really), and it's probably helps usher in a new generation of hardcore gamers as well as casual gamers that will be more likely to stick with the habit. Wii has essentially made the audience bigger, even if it has fractured it a bit.  The Wii could die right now and it wouldn't matter, it's already had a massive impact.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#17 by Jibble
2010-01-26 18:32:46
#16 by LPMiller

The point here, is the topic idea rings a bit false. There is no divorce when the Will is still radically outselling everyone else, and when the other guys are working like bastards to emulate the one selling point the Wii has over their hardware.

The topic is fine. It's positing that the good will and excitement that a lot of gamers had about the Wii has waned due to it not being able to live up to (arguably inflated) expectations. I don't see that as being false at all.

Did the Wii open inroads to a lot of new demographics that previously wouldn't have played video games? Yep. Does that matter one single bit to people who aren't in those demographics? Nope.

Natal and SonyBalls can do what they want with motion control. It's not going to change the fact that AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA titles are going to be designed around controllers.

The rest of your point about the larger market needs to be tempered by the fact that this new market isn't going to drive new console sales every five years like the old console market did. That larger market is the reason we had to issue convertor box coupons. They don't upgrade until the old thing dies in a fire.

I want to go to there.

Blog. 187 lbs.  7 to go.
#18 by BobJustBob
2010-01-26 19:26:43
Ooh that death pause in NSMBW is a killer. Literally. It killed me a whole bunch of times.

I find myself playing the Wii less but there is still fun to be had there. Like everyone has said, it seems that few devs can come up with good uses for the motion controls. Compare the state of Wii games with the iPhone -- sure there's a much lower barrier to entry there, but people have done some amazing things with just multitouch. With the Wii they mostly just shovel over ports and replace buttons with waggling. In those cases I'd rather just play the pretty versions, thanks.

BUYBUYBUY
#19 by CheesyPoof
2010-01-26 19:31:53
it's not irrelevant to you at all, and Natal is why. Motion control is here to stay, and the Wii drove that. Whether we want it or not, really.

It is mostly irrelevant to me. It's only relevant to me in the fact that MS* is devoting R&D dollars to Natal and not Xbox Next, but considering that I'm still happy with the games on the 360 it's a moot issue. Just because MS is developing Natal does not mean that I will get it, or use it, or enjoy it. It's become super relevant when the games that I want to play are not being made, or are being bastardized for some new thing and suck. However, I do not expect that to happen.

*And Sony and whatever their arm flapping program is.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#20 by Jamie
2010-01-26 19:37:58
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I really like SonyBalls. I mean, as a name for their product. You know.

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#21 by gaggle
2010-01-26 20:00:23
The Wii was supposed to get us up off the couch and swinging around with great hilarity

Muh? It was supposed to do what to the who now?

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." - FML
#22 by Jibble
2010-01-26 20:24:18
#20 by Jamie

I really like SonyBalls. I mean, as a name for their product. You know.

I'm going to go ahead and call that firstsies, since Google is telling me no one else has coined it yet. SonyBalls is now copyright Jibble, 2010. Sue me for it, bitches.

I want to go to there.

Blog. 187 lbs.  7 to go.
#23 by Jibble
2010-01-26 20:25:13
#21 by gaggle

The Wii was supposed to get us up off the couch and swinging around with great hilarity

Muh? It was supposed to do what to the who now?

It was supposed to change the way we play video games. It did so, three or four times. The rest has just been "button = waggle".

I want to go to there.

Blog. 187 lbs.  7 to go.
#24 by TreeFrog
2010-01-26 21:33:21
Jibble (#17):
The topic is fine. It's positing that the good will and excitement that a lot of gamers had about the Wii has waned due to it not being able to live up to (arguably inflated) expectations.

This, and

CheesyPoof (#19):
Just because MS is developing Natal does not mean that I will get it, or use it, or enjoy it.

that. Motion control is epic win for Nintendo; I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's going to be a disaster for MS and SonyBalls (tm 2010 JibbleCorp), and they're each going to have to desperately spin their belated leaps at the bandwagon as a break-even. Who does motion control appeal to? Who buys 360s and PS3s? Who is going to fork out MORE MONEY on top of a more expensive console to get something the Wii has for free? I'm picturing this as the worst Venn diagram ever.

I don't see the vast numbers of Wii owners as a new market for "gaming". They're something else. Wii is a whole new field, it's not a gateway drug.

"Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker.  It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
#25 by Shadarr
2010-01-26 21:40:52
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TreeFrog (#24):
Who is going to fork out MORE MONEY on top of a more expensive console to get something the Wii has for free?

This.  Nintendo still has first-mover advantage.  People who want to waggle can already do it with their Wii, a me-too product is not the way to catch the market leader.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#26 by BobJustBob
2010-01-26 21:43:29
But Sony's wand provides 1:1 movement by default, so when you raid the police locker room and get the purple dildo and beat the cops to death with it, you are actually swinging the dildo.

BUYBUYBUY
#27 by TreeFrog
2010-01-26 21:46:09
That... might actually sell some hardware.

"Don't try to take cover by the legs of my walker.  It will not go well for you." - Shadarr
#28 by Jibble
2010-01-26 22:14:36
The only way to catch the market leader is to do it better and make good software to back it up. Also, the market leader has to fuck up something fierce. The problem is that Nintendo already hit the new market so SonyBalls (© 2010 JibbleCorp) and Natal are stuck playing catch-up. To see how that's going to work out for them, you can look about as far as anything that's tried to go head to head with the iPhone.

They're not going to sell a 360 or a PS3 (plus peripherals) to the nursing home that bought a Wii so they could "bowl". At current prices, they're also not going to snag any new adopters. Their major market is essentially a subset of their existing market. Families that own a 360/PS3 but no Wii might buy some waggle peripherals. Aside from that? Not so much, unless they deliver on the promise that the Wii had at launch. I don't know if that's even really possible, since much of it is based on people's unrealistic imagination.

I want to go to there.

Blog. 187 lbs.  7 to go.
#29 by CheesyPoof
2010-01-26 22:18:58
They shouldn't even try to catchup, IMO, but it's a console arms race. Nobody wants it, but they have to have it because of the other guy.

They're both going to be behind Nintendo because of some fellow named Mario.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#30 by gaggle
2010-01-26 22:21:22
Natal is going to do fine, it'll let your girlfriend navigate Netflix and the avatar customization store, and your kids can spaz out in front of the TV doing shadowpuppets. It'll be pushed heavily and for a cheap price, Microsoft wants you to have this. It won't impact us much outside of Bob getting one at launch day and run through a list of minigames that range from shitty to moderately fun. He'll also play a couple hardcore games with Natal support and proclaim their grenade-throwing gesture or whatever kinda novel but ultimately pointless.

The Sony SonyBallsô will fail to capture a large marketshare, none of us will get it and six months later it'll be thoroughly dismissed to the position of the current EyeToy segment. It'll be the superior technology and fail nonetheless (Fail as far as not becoming mainstream, a couple franchises will keep it alive and they'll eventually make their money back)


THE TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN!

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#31 by CheesyPoof
2010-01-26 22:23:35
The truth is that of the E3 demos, or whenever it was, I was more impressed with the SonyBalls project than with Natal. They're both hoo-haa, though.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#32 by BobJustBob
2010-01-26 22:23:53
I'm more likely to buy the Sony one at launch. Natal is thus far completely uninteresting.

BUYBUYBUY
#33 by Jibble
2010-01-26 22:28:15
I'm not really interested in either. Motion control will suffer the same death as virtual reality. No one will give a shit about it in five years because it will always be easier to press a button to move left on the screen than it will be to make a gesture to the left. Especially if you have to do it 100 times to browse the Netflix store.

I want to go to there.

Blog. 187 lbs.  7 to go.
#34 by CheesyPoof
2010-01-26 22:31:57
Especially if you have to do it 100 times to browse the Netflix store.

I hope I can get the Natal treadmill so that instead of arm flapping I can get up and walk through the store and pretend it was like Blockbuster of so long ago, except everything will be instock. My only regret is that Netflix won't have a swinging door section like an old tyme video store to check out.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#35 by Jibble
2010-01-26 22:36:04
Treadmills are last century. These days it's all about having a 20 foot ball to walk around in so you can move in any direction and have it feel real. Be on the lookout for SonyBigBalls in 2013.

I want to go to there.

Blog. 187 lbs.  7 to go.
#36 by jjohnsen
2010-01-26 23:10:25
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#12 by LPMiller
I've never noticed a pause when someone dies.

Really?  Maybe that feature didn't make it into your version.  There is a slight pause anytime someone else dies, which really screws me up if I'm in the middle of timing jumps, fireballs or pretty much anything else.  I know I'm not imagining it because someone on the 4 guys 1 up podcast was complaining about the same thing,

#37 by gaggle
2010-01-26 23:21:03
It was really noticeable for us as well. It adds up to long delays that easily screw up your own timing, resulting in yet more delays as everyone gets hit in turn. But I still enjoyed the hell out of our coop experience.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." - FML
#38 by LPMiller
2010-01-27 00:41:04
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#36 by jjohnsen
#12 by LPMiller

I've never noticed a pause when someone dies.

Really?  Maybe that feature didn't make it into your version.  There is a slight pause anytime someone else dies, which really screws me up if I'm in the middle of timing jumps, fireballs or pretty much anything else.  I know I'm not imagining it because someone on the 4 guys 1 up podcast was complaining about the same thing,



I've never noticed it, now I'll have to watch for it.


#24 by TreeFrog
Jibble (#17):

The topic is fine. It's positing that the good will and excitement that a lot of gamers had about the Wii has waned due to it not being able to live up to (arguably inflated) expectations.

This, and

CheesyPoof (#19):

Just because MS is developing Natal does not mean that I will get it, or use it, or enjoy it.

that. Motion control is epic win for Nintendo; I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's going to be a disaster for MS and SonyBalls (tm 2010 JibbleCorp), and they're each going to have to desperately spin their belated leaps at the bandwagon as a break-even. Who does motion control appeal to? Who buys 360s and PS3s? Who is going to fork out MORE MONEY on top of a more expensive console to get something the Wii has for free? I'm picturing this as the worst Venn diagram ever.

I don't see the vast numbers of Wii owners as a new market for "gaming". They're something else. Wii is a whole new field, it's not a gateway drug.


Oh, i don't think they will be all that successful either, unless they become pack ins. But I do think they'll be in PS4 and Xbox 720 from the start. I mean, games sell hardware, not the other way around.

As to the Wii - of course it's a gateway drug. A lot of kids are getting their first gaming experience on the Wii, just like a lot of kids got it on the NES. How is it NOT a gateway drug? I do agree it is also a different market. But that doesn't mean there won't be cross over.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#39 by Milan Brezovsk√Ĺ
2010-01-27 07:49:03
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I don't know smeg about Natal but I already know it will be overpriced to match Sony's superior, overpriced Balls (probably just $5 cheaper just for the sake of it).

Parhelic Triangle is coming.
#40 by eggbert
2010-01-27 09:51:15
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Well it looks like I'll have more time to play with my Wii (and my Nintendo console too) in the upcoming weeks, as I got the new hotness in xbox failures, the E74 error. They added that to the RROD extended part of the warranty so it looks like I should be able to get it replaced for free, but still...fuck you very much Microsoft. If you're curious, I had a Falcon model, which was a step above launch, but a step below whatever they have out now; one of the xPUs was die shrunk but the other wasn't, on the new ones both the CPU and GPU are at 65nm.

The Wii has met my personal expectations, but wildly exceeded my market expectations of course. I didn't play it as much as my 360, but I never really thought I would. I recognized that the machine isn't really meant for me, even when I bought it. The Wii was the console for playing with other people, the 360 was for me. The time between games I want is a little longer then I'm used to, but that was the first console I got on launch day so that was to be expected at least a little bit. Even so, I still have a respectable backlog of Wii games to get through.

I am disappointed we haven't gotten much interesting experimentation from third party developers on the platform. I was hoping for more Boom Blox and No More Heroes, and less Wii Sports Copy and Call of Duty: Cut Down Edition. I think if Nintendo nurtured an XNA style development program that might help, but generally big name 3rd party publishers been content to either ape whatever Nintendo's doing, port a PS2 game, cut down a version of their 360/PS3 game, or add poorly thought out motion controls or overly complex control schemes to something that doesn't benefit from motion control. When they announced the "Revolution" it seemed obvious (I think I even posted about it here) that Nintendo was willingly segregating itself from the Xbox/PS portion of the market, but third parties seem intent on trying to keep a foot in both pools and shoehorning their existing game designs with waggle, then wondering why they don't sell.
#41 by Shadarr
2010-01-27 09:58:43
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I got an E74 yesterday too.  MS doesn't replace it, though, they just "repair" it.  I've had three E74s since September.

In my case, my extended warranty kicks in because it's my fourth major failure, so I get a brand new XBox once MS verifies it is in fact broken.  Then they ship the broken XBox back here, un-repaired.  Then Future Shop sends the broken XBox to their insurance company.  I'm pretty sure the whole thing is a scam set up by UPS.

In the meantime, I'm spending all my time going on dates.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#42 by yotsuya
2010-01-27 15:07:27
Good for you, man. Here's hoping you get a lot of something.

Question- would it be worthwhile just going to see Victoria instead of Vancouver? I'm trying to plan my vacation and want to visit Canada, but aren't sure about time.

#43 by Shadarr
2010-01-27 19:05:09
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Depends what you want to do.  Victoria has a lot of ultra-touristy stuff like Butchart Gardens, tea at the Empress, Wax Museum, Miniature World and what-not, but otherwise they're pretty similar.  If you wanted to go whale watching or hiking or or just wander around chinatown, they're about the same (and in fact, you could probably do all that in Seattle).  The ferry ride itself is pretty scenic if it's warm enough to sit outside.

"I hope you one day decide to smarten the fuck up so I can stand to look at your posts." - gaggle
#44 by jjohnsen
2010-01-27 19:15:42
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I wonder if this iPad can run Lightroom or some lite form of Photoshop?

#45 by Jamie
2010-01-27 19:46:09
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
iPad, huh? Based on what I can see it's essentially a giant iPod Touch. Not quite a laptop.

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"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble
#46 by gaggle
2010-01-27 20:09:59
OMG SPOILARS!


I'm just waiting for the video, whenever that gets dumped in some indeterminate amount of hours.

"Roses are red, violets are blue, rubbish is dumped and so are you." - FML
#47 by jjohnsen
2010-01-27 20:16:03
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it's a 10 inch iPod Touch as far as I can tell.  $499 is a lot cheaper than I was expecting though.

#48 by LPMiller
2010-01-27 20:16:37
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based on the price, I think Apple is aiming for both the Kindle crowd, and netbooks. 499 for 16GB seems pretty decent to me.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#49 by lwf
2010-01-27 20:19:25
The 64GB is probably $10000000.

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#50 by Milan Brezovsk√Ĺ
2010-01-27 20:20:45
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I intend to wait a month until the hype and the haters calm down and someone is able to voice a brief, balanced opinion. In the meantime I'll be on the lookout if Entourage eDGe is available in Europe.

Parhelic Triangle is coming.
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