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Who needs the big G?
August 15th 2000, 15:16 CEST by Lurks

Finally 1GHz CPUs are on our doorstep. Among the early adopters will be the legions of 'power gamers' intent on upgrading the slightest bit of superceded gear in their PC. With the gap between the average PC and the high-end being so wide, are there any solid reasons for spending this sort of cash on games machine?



nVidia have recently announced the GeForce 2 Ultra, an even faster 3D graphics card which will cost US$500. That's the cost of an entire Playstation 2 and a few games, just for a graphics card!

The world over PC gamers are drooling at the mouths for a chance to spend well over $1000 on CPU, motherboard and graphics card upgrades. Are they mad? In an effort to understand this, I spoke to a few gamers and asked them if they'll be going with the Gigahert.

NO WAY, says JimBob;

I've got a P3-600 and a TNT2U right now. I play all of the cool 3D games that come out every month and I also play Quake 3 online. It's plenty fast enough. My frame rate hardly ever drops below 60 frames per second. I can use voice communication software at the same time and I'm regularly the number 1 player. I can't really see why I need some stupid resolution or even more frames per second when my monitor can't handle it anyway. Game developers are never going to make games that need the stupidly expensive top-of-the-range PCs so I reckon the smart thing to do is sit back just a bit above the mainstream. That way the latest games look and play just great and I can spend all that saved money on getting a life instead of buying a 1GHz CPU just because it has a 'G' in it.

Spiny Norman didn't think so either;

Nah, not for Q3 / CS anyhow I've had no stuttering even in firefights on line with 32bpp 1024x768 max detail. Anything above this res is a waste due to the size of textures in current games. The UT engine on the other hand is a real CPU hog (Deus Ex anyone?) The more Mhz the better here.

But Pod reckons he will;

I'd say yes but my resons would be a bit l33tist. The gf2 is needed because of the extra power it gives enableing games to be played at a higher res. This is crutial in todays quick reflex games like counter-strike where it is of the upmost importance to determine the team of the other player ,often at alrge distance, at lightnig quick speeds. Something that can be very tricky at low res. The CPU is needed because lower end machines dont support the GF to its potential. Combined they allow games to be played to a higher skill level and thus for me to obtain that all important next kill

Dr Teeth, a Counter-Strike and Unreal Tournament player, recently upgraded to an Athlon 950 and a GeForce 2. When asked about the next step, he had this to say;

Upgrading from an athlon/P3 800-950 to a thunderbird/P3 1000 and from a GF2 to a GF2-Ultra? I reckon it's a waste of money. Their kit will already give fps faster than most monitors can display it. Better to wait for the next gen CPUs and the NV20 next year imho. There are no must-have games close to release that would hurt a system more than Quake3 would. Basically, current systems like mine will run any game released this year just fine. After christmas would be the next sensible time to upgrade.

Fellow clan member Rabido also had some interesting technical sidepoints regarding overclocking;

When a 933 Intel processor is half the price of a a Ghz processor, then no you don't require a Ghz, what's worse is that most 700 processors will work at 933 OCed anyways. Gef 2 Ultra is obviously required, for showing off to your mates at Lan Parties etc. I'll skip this range for the NV20 when it arrives next year. The thing that worries me is that every new nvidia range that comes out atm, the price rises. 300 for Gef 2 64Mb was bordering on obscene, but 400-450 for a Gef2 ultra is taking the piss. The AMD range is the one to watch out for, with price drops happening all over the place the 1Ghz CPU ($500) is affordable, but with the A7V you can unlock a 950Mhz CPU (@ 2/3-1/2 price) to run at a Ghz again......OCing at the moment is definitely in.

Billox, on the other hand, gives it the pro-gaming angle;

I do consider myself a power user and probably a very small and rather unrepresentative portion of the CPU buying market. I tend to spend a very large portion of my income on PC hardware, I also play quake competitivly, I have won top specs PCs and Parts from playing the game in competition. It is *very* important to me that I have top spec equipment.

Playing FPS games at competition level always favors the player with the highest spec PC that money can buy. Even now that insanly high framerate are achievable in Quake 2, for example, there are a whole bunch of new jumps that can now be done, like the entrance to the CTF1 window. Because of the way that the physics and rendering engine are tied together. Framerates of this level havent been acheiveable in Quake 3 yet but I bet when they are that a whole bunch of physics tricks can be performed above the simple double ledge jumps and stuff. Infact I know of one in particular you can jump from teleporter on the LG side straight across to YA platform with more than 160fps or so on tourney2

Above all, if it wasn't for people like me, you would all still be browsing the web on a 486. HAHA :)

Naturally enough, opinions are divided. Intel and AMD aren't going to stop making faster CPUs and nVidia et al wont stop making faster graphics cards. But how will they convince gamers that they must have these things so they'll spend the huge sums of money being asked?

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#1 by "godZero"
2000-08-15 15:20:50
godzero@gmx.de
Yes?
#2 by "godZero"
2000-08-15 15:21:47
godzero@gmx.de
<b>Yes!!!</b>
#3 by "RahvinTaka"
2000-08-15 15:27:51
donaldp@mad.scientist.com
<b>#2</b> "godZero" wrote...
<QUOTE>

<B>Yes!!!</B> </QUOTE>
naah.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#4 by "godZero"
2000-08-15 15:29:23
godzero@gmx.de
<b>#Main Post</b> "Lurks" wrote...
<QUOTE>But how will they convince gamers that they must have these things so they'll
spend the huge sums of money being asked?</QUOTE>


It may sound stupid, but they'll simply show them Q3 running 2 fps faster then with "older" equipment. They'll say something about "long-lasting-value, ready for future generations of games".

And the buyers? You can watch their eyes glow and their brains heat up, calculating how many days they can survive without food, so they can afford the latest and "best" CPU and graphics.
#5 by "Morn"
2000-08-15 15:30:55
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Hot damn! I was just about to scream "YES! A GSI TOPIC!" when I read the title. ;)

- Morn
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#6 by "Lurks"
2000-08-15 15:35:13
lurks@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#5</b> "Morn" wrote...
<QUOTE>

Hot damn! I was just about to scream "YES! A GSI TOPIC!" when I read the title. ;)
</QUOTE>

Sorry to disappoint, I think Andy and Mugs have GSI topics all wrapped up don't you think?

This sprang out of a clan argument BTW. I dared to suggest I couldn't be arsed to upgrade my Athlon 750. All hell broke loose ;)
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#7 by "godZero"
2000-08-15 15:37:11
godzero@gmx.de
<b>#Main Post</b> "Lurks" wrote...
<QUOTE>


nVidia have recently announced the GeForce 2 Ultra, an even faster 3D
graphics card which will cost US$500. That's the cost of an entire Playstation 2
and a few games, just for a graphics card!</QUOTE>

And if I had money to burn, I'd buy it right away...I'm also one of those suckers...
#8 by "Lurks"
2000-08-15 15:44:12
lurks@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#7</b> "godZero" wrote...
<QUOTE>

And if I had money to burn, I'd buy it right away...I'm also one of those suckers...
</QUOTE>

I used to think that way. But I mean... A GF2 is going plenty enough frames. If I turn off the cg_drawfps then how would I even know? I wouldn't.

All of the games that come out don't need half this spec. Hell, even ones I'd quite like to give a bit more res and stuff half the time don't even support a higher resolution!

And the fact that AMD stiffed me so I have to change mobo just to go Thunderbird also aids my sit and wait mentality.

With WinME, my machine boots in half the time it did before. My MP3 encoder encodes as fast as my CD-ROM will go. The Detonator 3 drivers gave me an extra 12fps for free anyhow.

No, I simply have better things to with several hundred pounds than to buy these things - even though I could write them off as tax deductable.

Am I alone?

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#9 by "godZero"
2000-08-15 15:50:13
godzero@gmx.de
<b>#8</b> "Lurks" wrote...
<QUOTE>I used to think that way. But I mean... A GF2 is going plenty enough frames. If
I turn off the cg_drawfps then how would I even know? I wouldn't.

</QUOTE>

Oh, I know it's stupid, it's just that I can't resist. Let's say, I got $500 in my pocket. I walk into my local store and see that shiny new GF2U on the shelf. I'll try to force myself to walk by. I WILL walk by, but I'll turn arround and go back and probably buy the damn thing, although I know I don't need it. They got me.

BTW, I own a GF DDR, I DID resist buying a GF2 and will wait for NV20 or Rampage, maybe even longer.
#10 by "Foogla"
2000-08-15 15:53:03
Foogla@somethingawful.com
We don't need a GSI topic, we've got Something Awful (today's update). :)
#11 by "Lurks"
2000-08-15 15:53:45
lurks@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#9</b> "godZero" wrote...
<QUOTE>

BTW, I own a GF DDR, I DID resist buying a GF2 and will wait for NV20 or Rampage, maybe even longer.
</QUOTE>

That's my attitude to 1GHz. It's not like I'm going twice as fast by upgrading to that. It'll be less than 25% faster. I'll sit on my hands until 1GHz chips are cheap and then buy one. After learning what's a decent motherboard and what X doesn't have issues Y etc etc - which is another advantage to sitting a bit behind the bleeding edge.
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#12 by "naked"
2000-08-15 16:16:03
gud7@hotmail.com
im aiming to be on yesterdays l33t rig, you still get phat ass
performance but at a resonable price, this makes it easier to buy more
porn latex clothes for your gf
#13 by "Morn"
2000-08-15 16:16:14
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Just for the record, I have a P3-500 with a TNT2, and I'm happy. :)

- Morn
<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#14 by "Dethstryk"
2000-08-15 16:21:03
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
I buy video cards every other generation, and right now I'm on a TNT2 Ultra. My first card was a Diamond Monster 3D (way back in the day), and my next purchase is going to be a GeForce2 card, possibly the Ultra. This way of upgrading my video card has always worked great for me.


--
Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#15 by "avixe"
2000-08-15 16:22:10
jsg@fiam.net
There's no current title you can't run well with a 500, so there's no reason to upgrade in my eyes. Good practice is to not even consider it until your processor speed is doubled, but it looks like that may become more difficult to manage once speeds hit 2 Ghz or so.
#16 by "Lurks"
2000-08-15 16:28:05
lurks@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#15</b> "avixe" wrote...
<QUOTE>

There's no current title you can't run well with a 500, so there's no reason to upgrade in my eyes. Good practice is to not even consider it until your processor speed is doubled, but it looks like that may become more difficult to manage once speeds hit 2 Ghz or so. </QUOTE>

Woah, that'd mean I'd upgrade when CPUs hit 1.4GHz. Bugger that, I'll go 1.1GHz or so when it only costs 200 for the CPU and not 400.

As for graphics card... it depends on the next 3D game really. I'm now easily as fast as I want to go with a GF2. Even next years games like Max Payne, that's gonna run fine on this rig isn't it.

What'd I'd like is game developers to support 1280 resolutions since their games look nice on my 21" in that res but they're limiting me to 1024 half the time!

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#17 by "Have Blue"
2000-08-15 17:09:53
haveblue@mac.com
I agree with JimBob and Spiny Norman: Once the game is playable and fun any power above that is a pissing contest.

My personal rule is that I won't upgrade until the new item is three times as good or better as what it replaces. So my next graphics card will be a Radeon (from a Rage 128), my next hard disk will be 90G, my next computer must be 900Mhz.
#18 by "DevPac2"
2000-08-15 17:13:09
devpac2@hotmail.com
Aren't Intel debutting the P4 at 1.3 and 1.4 GHz ?
They're gonna be pretty darn expensive i'd imagine tho :)

While i'm not a crazy upgrader, i'm quite tempted to get a GF2U. I don't need the performance increase but its quite nice to have. And in many ways its quite a 'boys with their toys' sort of attitude in a similar way to performance cars imo.

The Register by way of the Shugashack had some vaguely related thoughts on this :
http://www.shugashack.com/funk.y?flat=8492

Dev
#19 by "netgee"
2000-08-15 17:25:53
ryan@shiftclick.net
Is it wrong that I still don't feel much pressure to upgrade my p2-300 and Voodoo2?

How ancient ;)
#20 by "Lurks"
2000-08-15 17:28:46
lurks@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#19</b> "netgee" wrote...
<QUOTE>

Is it wrong that I still don't feel much pressure to upgrade my p2-300 and Voodoo2?

How ancient ;) </QUOTE>

Um yes, that's WRONG. Voodoo 2 for pete's sake!

Actually that texture crosshatch thing - it's kinda quaint really :)
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#21 by "Nick"
2000-08-15 17:28:59
Some people use computers as penis extensions. Before they used cars, now people use computers.

No one (unless you're doing a lot of computational math) really needs a GHz computer.
#22 by "Dethstryk"
2000-08-15 17:29:02
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>netgee wrote in post #19:</b>
<quote>Is it wrong that I still don't feel much pressure to upgrade my p2-300 and Voodoo2? </quote>
Nah, but I'd figure by now you would have gotten the urge to upgrade. ;)


--
Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#23 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-08-15 18:12:31
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com http://www.hulka.com
Damn, Lowtax is spilling some beans today.  Mark Surfas going in for 2nd DUI is one of the points he brings up today in his update.

I did watch TV last night, a little bit. As much as I could stomach. I watched Clintons speech he gave to his party.  It was an ironic speech because as I watched Clinton talk about prosperity and Americans having more freedom now than any other time in history, Fox News had a split screen.  In the lower lefthand of the screen Clinton is talking, and in the upper right they're showing just outside the convention center as police are beating people, spraying people with pepper spray, shooting people with rubber bullets, and gasing protesters.
#24 by "Andy"
2000-08-15 18:15:42
andy@planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
Off-topic note: We know about the GSI stuff on SomethingAwful. Quit sending me the link! Thank you. :-)
#25 by "Frijoles"
2000-08-15 18:15:58
<quote>[4] godZero said:

And the buyers? You can watch their eyes glow and their brains heat up, calculating how many days they can survive without food, so they can afford the latest and "best" CPU and graphics.
</quote>

It's true, all true! I just bought the Geforce 256 DDR card yesterday (I'm not rich enough for the Geforce 2).  And what am I eating today?  Crackers and a cookie.

Oh well. My TNT card was starting to suck.

Frijoles
#26 by "Andy"
2000-08-15 18:16:36
andy@planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
That wasn't in response to Hulka's post!
#27 by "netgee"
2000-08-15 18:17:46
ryan@shiftclick.net
<b>#22</b> "Deathstryk" wrote:
<quote>Nah, but I'd figure by now you would have gotten the urge to upgrade. ;)</quote>

You'd think so, I'm kinda surprised myself.  Amazingly enough, it still runs most games rather well.  Quake3 plays great, UT plays pretty well too.  

I have noticed that a few of the newly released demos are starting to stress the machine a bit (most noticeably, Star Trek: Elite Force), but I still don't feel the *need*.

My plan has been to wait until the next big technology plateau comes around (much like the p2-266/300 was one of those plateaus, imho).  I figure 1 GHz to be that event, but there's no way I'm giving up an arm, a leg, and my firstborn child for one when it first comes out.  I'm willing to wait a bit longer :)
#28 by "DooBall"
2000-08-15 18:20:40
dooball@planetshogo.com http://www.dooball.NET
i spend $$$
#29 by "Baytor"
2000-08-15 18:27:19
baytor@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/baytor
<b>#23</b> "Sgt Hulka" wrote...
<QUOTE>In the lower lefthand of the screen Clinton is talking, and in the upper right they're showing just outside the convention center as police are beating people, spraying people with pepper spray, shooting people with rubber bullets, and gasing protesters. </QUOTE>

Here's something I always have to wonder about.  Just how stupid are the people on the extreme Left?  They basically did nothing at the Republican Convention, those have always been relatively peaceful.

But, then all the wackos come out for the Democratic Convention, and every so often they seem hell-bent to start another 1968 style melee.  Do they really want to embarrass the Democratic Party like that?  Do they really want Republicans in office?

Not that I'm complaining, I'm a Republican :)

I... AM BAYTOR!!!!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#30 by "Ghost in my Shell"
2000-08-15 18:36:06
I am quite happy the gig and higher processors are coming out! In fact im estactic!

Im so happy, but wont buy any of it in the least...

Why you ask?

Because my friends who are pure hardcore nerds who will spend shitloads of money because they have the "must be faster then everyone" mentality will buy this shit, and I get their old stuff for cheap!

"Here Ghost have this 128mb pc 100 ram, I dont have a use for it now since I got this pc133 stuff.."

I think Ill be getting a p3 800 pretty soon ;-)
#31 by "avixe"
2000-08-15 19:11:35
jsg@fiam.net
#29,
Are there arguable more wackos looking for a cause on the West coast than on the East coast? There may well be.
#32 by "Valeyard"
2000-08-15 19:17:32
valeyard@ck3.net http://www.ck3.net
I'm a huge fan of bleeding-edge technology. It's the reason I have my current job.  I constantly get to play with the latest technology, most of which I can't even talk about.

My current game box is a dual P3-550 with a 64M GeForce2, running Win2K.  If I were overly concerned, I'd be running 98 or ME, but I haven't had any significant problems.

That box will run CS at 1280-960 at 70-100 FPS, Q3 at 1024x768 (trilinear filtering and high quality) at 70-125 FPS and almost any other game I care to play performs VERY well.  (FAKK2 is gorgeous and smooth...yummy)

I'm upgrading this weekend to a dual P3-933.  Why?  First, because the opportunity is there at very low cost, and secondly because it supports 4X AGP and Rambus.  I'd rather go the PC133 route but this was the easiest route for me (the chance to get 1G of Rambus for less than the cost of 128M of PC133 was just too good to pass up).

I'll see a performance increase, I'll be able to kick Q3 up to 1280x1024 with the same settings without sacrificing framerate.

Would I upgrade to a 1G+ system with a GeForce2 Ultra?  Not if I had to pay for it.

If you've got a 733+ processor and a geForce1+ video card, just wait.  Save your cash for 6-9 months.  The games will start taking advantage of the power available, the prices will come down and you'll be getting much more bang for the buck.

-Valeyard<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#33 by "Andy"
2000-08-15 19:22:48
andy@planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
In contrast to #32, I've got a P2-233 with 128Mb and a RAGE 128. Not a powerful machine by today's standards, but strangely I still find that when I play a fun game, I enjoy it. This is really all I'm looking for, so I'm happy.
#34 by "wayfinder"
2000-08-15 19:23:27
http://www.azure-music.com
I'm with netgee.

p2/333, voodoo2

THANKS YUO!


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way-fu, exercise today!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#35 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-08-15 19:26:19
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com http://www.hulka.com
<b>#29</b> "Baytor" wrote...
<QUOTE>Not that I'm complaining, I'm a Republican :)
</QUOTE>

Then you'll love <a href="http://stream1.iims.intelonline.com/ViewWeb/PremiereRadio/File/rush081400speech.asf-ims">this version of Clintoons Speech</a> from last night!



You'll need windows media player to hear it, but it's a riot!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#36 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-08-15 19:27:00
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com http://www.hulka.com
<b>#26</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>

That wasn't in response to Hulka's post!
</QUOTE>

I didn't think it was, people are probably hammering you with emails about it. That's the impression I got.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#37 by "Warmonger [AI]"
2000-08-15 19:31:40
warmonger87@hotmail.com
Since everyone is giving their specs out, here goes: P2 400, 32mb GF2. Is this good enough? Not even close. That P2 400 can't push half the polys that I need to keep that hungry GF2 fed, so it's being wasted. On that note, I need 2 things: A new motherboard and a new CPU. What would you all recommend I upgrade to?<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#38 by "Valeyard"
2000-08-15 19:32:45
valeyard@ck3.net http://www.ck3.net
<b>#33</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>I've got a P2-233 with 128Mb and a RAGE 128. </QUOTE>

Hey, if you're happy with that, then more power to ya.  It's almost the same spec as my laptop.  I tried playing FAKK2 on my laptop yesterday...not a pretty sight.  It's playable...but just barely.

If you didnt live so far away, I'd sell you my old system at a dirt-cheap price. :)

-Valeyard<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#39 by "Valeyard"
2000-08-15 19:35:44
valeyard@ck3.net http://www.ck3.net
<b>#37</b> "Warmonger [AI]" wrote...
<QUOTE>Since everyone is giving their specs out, here goes: P2 400, 32mb GF2. Is this good enough? Not even close. That P2 400 can't push half the polys that I need to keep that hungry GF2 fed, so it's being wasted. On that note, I need 2 things: A new motherboard and a new CPU. What would you all recommend I upgrade to?</QUOTE>

Get a good motherboard that supports 4X AGP, PC133 ram and a 1G processor.  Put a cheap 733 or less proccessor in it, and you'll be happy.  You can over-clock or upgrade in the future.

Since I don't build my own custom boxes any more, you'll have to get brand information from one of the other tech-heads around here.

-Valeyard<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#40 by "Gestalt"
2000-08-15 19:42:55
john@eurogamer.net http://www.eurogamer.net
Baytor - "Here's something I always have to wonder about. Just how stupid are the people on the extreme Left? They basically did nothing at the Republican Convention, those have always been relatively peaceful."

Maybe they just didn't cover it in the USA, or maybe you weren't watching at the right time, but there was violence outside the Republican convention, and it got a reasonable amount of coverage over here in the UK.  It was certainly amusing seeing the whole feel-good back-patting self-serving BS thing going on inside the conference, and then seconds later footage of people getting clubbed with truncheons by the police outside.  ;-)


Warmonger - "That P2 400 can't push half the polys that I need to keep that hungry GF2 fed, so it's being wasted"

And there was me thinking that the whole point of T&L acceleration on the GeForce cards was to pump the polys faster than your CPU could manage so that it ran well even on slower machines...  ;-)

P3-600, 192Mb RAM and GF2 here BTW. It runs all my favourite games just fine, and works a treat with DVDs (though I really need a better sound card and 5.1 speaker setup to make the most of them). The GF2 Ultra might be the fastest card on the planet, but there's no way I'm shelling out $500 or however much it is for that or the Voodoo 5 6000, when both of them will be replaced by faster, cheaper, true next generation cards a few months later. :)
#41 by "Warmonger [AI]"
2000-08-15 20:03:41
warmonger87@hotmail.com
<b>#40</b> "Gestalt" wrote...
<QUOTE>And there was me thinking that the whole point of T&L acceleration on the
GeForce cards was to pump the polys faster than your CPU could manage so that it
ran well even on slower machines... ;-) </QUOTE>

Well, if you can find a game for me that fully uses T&L, then I'll tell you what the performance gain is. But, none of the games I have use T&L, and unfortunately, Lithtech 2 won't support it until AvP2, at the very earliest. <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#42 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-15 20:11:08
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
My machine is a fairly large beast ... P3-750, 32MB GeForce2, 512MB RAM ... I'm going to wait until the next generation of stuff before upgrading.  This new GeForce card and the Ghz processors look nice, but I'll see a marginal boost at best.  Not worth the money (for me) ... I may even wait for 2 generations actually ...

It's been my experience that the best thing you can feed your computer is RAM.  I had an old p2-233 that carried me for YEARS beyond it's expected life simply because I put 256MB of RAM into it.  In fact that's the machine I had just prior to this one.  The Voodoo2 SLI's ran the games decently and the RAM pushed Windows and my apps at a decent speed.

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Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#43 by "cliffe"
2000-08-15 20:16:48
cliffe@counter-strike.net http://www.counter-strike.net/
So.. when do we get a topic on the DUI and warez ring? Heheh.
#44 by "Velo"
2000-08-15 20:19:59
spamvelcrospam@spam.gte.net
How about some bloody smp support...I have a Dual 900 at home that needs some lovin =)
#45 by "RandoM"
2000-08-15 20:38:17
random1@speakeasy.org
anybody who wants to play the last ultima or deus ex on an nvidia chipset needs a 1 gig proc.
#46 by "12xu"
2000-08-15 20:45:46
mswitzer@insync.net http://http;//www.hichouston.org
<b>#29</b> "Baytor" wrote...
<QUOTE>


<B>#23</B> "Sgt Hulka" wrote...

<quote>In the lower lefthand of the screen Clinton is talking, and in the upper right they're showing just outside the convention center as police are beating people, spraying people with pepper spray, shooting people with rubber bullets, and gasing protesters. </quote>

Here's something I always have to wonder about. Just how stupid are the people on the extreme Left? They basically did nothing at the Republican Convention, those have always been relatively peaceful.

But, then all the wackos come out for the Democratic Convention, and every so often they seem hell-bent to start another 1968 style melee. Do they really want to embarrass the Democratic Party like that? Do they really want Republicans in office?

Not that I'm complaining, I'm a Republican :)

I... AM BAYTOR!!!!</QUOTE>


Actually there were protests at the republican convention as well...handled by the philly police in much the same manner...hell they were busting possible protesters in the weeks before the convention...the thing is the media just focused on the protests there much less (draw your own conclusions)...
The fact that Rage palyed at the demo convention also helped elevate the status of the protests in the medias eyes...

my predictions is that things get much uglier in LA before the week is up...

12xu
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#47 by "Dethstryk"
2000-08-15 21:13:03
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
<b>cliffe wrote in post #43:</b>
<quote>So.. when do we get a topic on the DUI and warez ring? Heheh. </quote>
That's what I'm saying. We need a *good* GSI story, one that we can really talk some crap about them.


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Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#48 by "Andy"
2000-08-15 21:27:07
andy@planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#47</b>, Dethstryk:
<QUOTE>
That's what I'm saying. We need a *good* GSI story, one that we can really talk some crap about them.
</QUOTE>
The reaction to GSI stories is always the same: "<i>Here we go again, more GSI bashing, change the record, blah blah</i>". So you'll understand that we're not falling all over ourselves to cover a story that was first reported two years ago.
#49 by "Rantage"
2000-08-15 21:29:52
rantage@hotmail.com http://www.steelmaelstrom.org
<b>#23</b> "Sgt Hulka" wrote...
<QUOTE>
Damn, Lowtax is spilling some beans today. Mark Surfas going in for 2nd DUI is one of the points he brings up today in his update.
</QUOTE>

<I>*snicker*</I><I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#50 by "Jeremy"
2000-08-15 21:30:29
jnthornh@eos.ncsu.edu
<b>#45</b> "RandoM" wrote...
<QUOTE>anybody who wants to play the last ultima or deus ex on an nvidia chipset needs a 1 gig proc. </QUOTE>
Well that's <b>total</b> bullshit.

With the updated .dll Deus Ex runs plenty fine on my rig:

P3-600 geforce 256 128 megs RAM.

In fact... <i>every</i> game I have runs fine on this machine.  Maybe I can't use uber-resolutions, and I don't always have all of the details or 32-bit color, but it's more than I need.  Quake3 gets over 80 fps in 1024x768 in 16 bit color...

I moved from TNT1 to Geforce 256 shortly after Quake3 came out.  I think that was the perfect transition; prior to Q3 the TNT1 had run everything beautifully, but that game just demands a bit more.

The fact is, the latest hardware is <i>way</i> more powerful than what current games require.  Things like the GF2 ultra and the ghz+ CPUs are just plain excessive, and I'm not upgrading until there is a game which starts hurting my Geforce; and I've yet to see one.

There will come a time to upgrade; but now ain't it.

Jeremy
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