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Dear Planetcrap:  Quit Whining.
February 23rd 2009, 02:37 CET by Charles

The topic system works just fine.  Submit shit worth talking about, and there's no problem getting things on the front page.  See?  I just did it.  Use it or not, but bitching about it without using it is kind of sad.
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#1 by Charles
2009-02-23 02:37:53
www.bluh.org
So there, bitches.

Videogames!  Why waste good technology on science and medicine?
#2 by BobJustBob
2009-02-23 02:38:58
Pwnd.

BUYBUYBUY
#3 by Chunkstyle
2009-02-23 02:44:20
My topics always get in fine.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#4 by Charles
2009-02-23 02:46:02
www.bluh.org
So, since the topic will invariably spiral back to making a new PC, and by tangent, web development, what are the best resources used nowadays for making websites?  My only experience is with PHP and MySQL, and doing everything manually, and I'm not really sure what's out there nowadays.  I've been sitting on a domain for years now, for a site I want to make, which is kind of PC-esque.  I actually ended up with most of a PC-style CMS written, but then I just kind of stopped because it was getting really big.  Thinking about maybe jumping back in to it once in a while as a side project, but I'd also use it as another learning experience.

Videogames!  Why waste good technology on science and medicine?
#5 by McBain
2009-02-23 02:47:37
Who's whining?
#6 by Charles
2009-02-23 02:54:18
www.bluh.org
Them, they.  You know.

No.
#7 by jh0
2009-02-23 03:44:56
jay@jh0.net
The new hotness in Microsoft land is ASP.NET MVC which Jeff Attwood used to write Stack Overflow.

Don't speak unless you can improve the silence.
#8 by CheesyPoof
2009-02-23 05:10:06
#7 by jh0
The new hotness in Microsoft land is ASP.NET MVC which Jeff Attwood used to write Stack Overflow.

This is not how to get the Lurker TOTY.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#9 by m0nty
2009-02-23 05:14:22
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I'm a cop you idiot!
#10 by Charles
2009-02-23 06:12:31
www.bluh.org
Hrm.  My current host doesn't run MS stuff, so I'm stuck with other things.  At least till the end of the year.

No.
#11 by Shadarr
2009-02-23 07:13:06
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
The current hotness in pre-packaged CMS seems to be Drupal, which is really easy to get a site up with but almost impossible to get looking the way you want.

Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
#12 by OwenButler
2009-02-23 08:00:36
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
I've had some reasonable success using Wordpress as a basic CMS.  It isn't a fully fledged CMS, but it does most of what I need usually.  If you create your own theme from scratch it's very easy to create a nice looking site that doesn't look like the millions of other wordpress themes.

#13 by OwenButler
2009-02-23 08:24:16
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
I saw something interesting the other day regarding websites that I am probably going to try.

The first one is called Webby, the other Nanoc.  They are both site generators.  Instead of an active server side process that spits out the site you write the site in a template language and a script you run locally spits out the static site and updated rss feeds (and uploads it to a web host).  I like the simplicity of the idea.  Of course it's a static site, so people can't leave comments and all that shit, but let's be honest, comments on blogs are useless in most cases.

#14 by BobJustBob
2009-02-23 08:26:02
blogs are useless in most cases


Indeed.

BUYBUYBUY
#15 by OwenButler
2009-02-23 08:29:48
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
Also, awesome topic.

#16 by OwenButler
2009-02-23 08:30:07
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
#14 by BobJustBob

blogs are useless in most cases

Indeed.

Indeed.

#17 by gaggle
2009-02-23 09:24:24
#16 by OwenButler
#14 by BobJustBob

blogs are useless in most cases

Indeed.

Indeed.

<< RECURSION DETECTED. STOP IMMEDIATELY >>

"Common sense; it is so rare, it is a god damn superpower."
#18 by assemblerer
2009-02-23 14:56:59
http://uglycode.com
For PHP, I second Drupal as an all-round CMS with shitloads of extensions available. I haven't tried creating my own themes. Also, there is developer documentation available. Wordpress is also an excellent choice for most sites, also boasts few thousands plugins.

There seems to be very strong community about .NET MVC, but I doubt you'd want to start learning it. I'd recommend Python+DJANGO (or Google App Engine), which supposedly resembles Ruby On Rails (which I don't have any experience with), since you can really start deploying applications within minutes, but again, you'd have to learn some Python to do some real damage.

So back to PHP - Drupal or Wordpress (or at worst, Joomla) for boxed solution, CakePHP or Zend framework for more ambitious projects.

Owen: While HTML generators have its use, their nature is actually one of the reasons why I moved away from Blogger. Uck.
High traffic sites, however, can use static pages to great advantage (especially with hungry parsers like PHP - see Wikipedia architecture) as a form of cache.

#19 by Ng Yo
2009-02-23 15:12:15
last post
this discussion ends here.

anyone* making posts after this one openly admits to being a homosexual who likes goat sex.







* myself excluded

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#20 by Jamie
2009-02-23 15:44:15
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
Had a good game of Left 4 Dead last night with lpmiller. I'm up for playing again tonight around 9 pm Central time. Friend me in Steam (I'm in the PlanetCrap group as Thrrrpptt!) if you're interested.

I like the game (especially at $25), but I had to stop doing quick matches not because people were retarded, but because Normal difficulty is way too easy. I actually want to fail once in a while. Though I did have a stylish fail last night atop No Mercy when I ran AWAY from the helicopter to rescue someone by unloading a combat shotgun into a Tank's back, then got knocked clear off the building when it turned around to swat me aside. I was the only one who ended up not escaping.

Also looking forward to trying some Versus, though I really wish I could play that with bots to get a feel for it before going online.

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"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble
#21 by FoRmaT
2009-02-23 15:51:49
BUMP

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#22 by Ergo
2009-02-23 17:21:14
Playing as Infected is far more difficult than playing as a survivor, so it really does suck that you can't play Infected in offline mode.

"THE FUCKING KITTY LITTER FUCKING BOMB GHRHGURHGUHGRUGHRUGHURHGURHGHHGHUAHUHU KITTY" -- greg
#23 by LPMiller
2009-02-23 20:46:33
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
you should have said something last night Jamie, I'm not married to Normal difficulty.  I feel free to suck at all levels.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" - "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."

"LP, your big balls are a religion." - Jibble
#24 by Jamie
2009-02-23 21:34:16
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
Don't sweat it. My realization about Normal actually came from playing a while after you logged. When we played that was I think the 2nd online match I had played with the full game (though I played the online demo extensively, so I knew the basics if not the maps). After the demo had been out for a few days it seems like everyone was playing on the highest difficulty settings just to keep things interesting, so that's what I was used to.

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"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble
#25 by Milan Brezovský
2009-02-23 22:34:29
http://uglycode.com
I really can't help the feeling that they've turned the difficulty up, compared to the demo. I find Normal rather normal, it all depends on who you play with - you go rescue an idiot strangled by a Smoker to get downed by a Hunter. Or a bad combination of special infected and tank can shuffle the cards.

I've been trying to beat Dead Air (which I seem to like the most) on Expert, but you can't get dumb bots to camp in one place. I've once connected to a Expert game in progress, finale of No Mercy, but I gave up after ~20 tries. (Closet camping was fine until tank visited; roof camping was fine until you went to rescue someone, etc.)
#26 by Jamie
2009-02-23 22:51:17
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
Huh. If anything I felt like Normal was even easier. The Hoards, for example, seemed much smaller and the Tanks seemed to go down a lot easier. From playing the demo on higher difficulty levels I remember every Tank encounter being a potential --or even probable-- TPK.

One thing I've noticed is that damn Witch seems to wake up more easily now. Or maybe it's just me.

blog | photoblog | PlanetCrap Flickr group

"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble
#27 by Charles
2009-02-24 03:15:44
www.bluh.org
I'm definitely not looking for a boxed CMS.  Unless there's a magic one out there that's super easy to modify and customize without some kind of crappy plugin system, it's going to be easier* to make my own for the stuff I intend.  

*Preemptive "G-Man can go fuck himself."

No.
#28 by Shadarr
2009-02-24 03:24:27
shadarr@gmail.com http://digital-luddite.com
So, what are you asking?

Witnesses in the house heard Jones say "why did you pee on me Pooh Bear?" A few moments later, the witness heard the son say "Mama you done stabbed me."
#29 by OwenButler
2009-02-24 04:04:00
http://blog.owenbutler.org/
#27 by Charles

I'm definitely not looking for a boxed CMS.  Unless there's a magic one out there that's super easy to modify and customize without some kind of crappy plugin system, it's going to be easier* to make my own for the stuff I intend.  

*Preemptive "G-Man can go fuck himself."

Depends on what you mean by "super easy to modify and customize without some kind of crappy plugin system".  Do you just want to modify and customise the look of something or do you want to add new features?  What are the baseline features you need?

#30 by Charles
2009-02-24 04:32:26
www.bluh.org
Modify and customize look, as well as create new features.  

Baseline feature would be a crap-like topic and comment system.

No.
#31 by assemblerer
2009-02-24 11:59:08
http://uglycode.com
Well, if you want to customize look, you'll have to go into templates one way or another; I don't know of any CMS/plugin that would do exactly what you want, so you need to either spend time learning and coding; or just time spent coding all over again and bugfixing all over again. As much as I prefer to start from a scratch, there really is no good reason not to use some existing framework instead of reinventing the wheel. Yum yum MVC.

#32 by assemblerer
2009-02-24 13:36:06
http://uglycode.com
#26 by Jamie

Huh. If anything I felt like Normal was even easier. ...Tanks seemed to go down a lot easier.


I don't think Tank health has changed - it's around 4000HP on Normal, as you can see when you sum up the total damage at the end of level. But maybe they've increased weapon power. Or maybe you just got so damn much better. I think that Tanks actually appear much more often, in demo (and cracked version I used to have) they used to appear once per level at max, now it's not unusual to see them twice, all on Normal.

[whispers] I think Valve is playing with our brains.

I need to stay up at night to play with you guys sometimes.

#33 by deadlock
2009-02-24 15:10:38
http://www.deadlocked.org/
I dunno where the current photography thread is but since this is Planetcrap, I figure that here is as good a place as any...

My wife got me a place on a creative photography course for Christmas. Part of the course involves field trips during which we explore whatever aspect of photography we covered in the previous week's evening class. So far we've done a general field trip, a trip to Glendalough to do some landscape photography and a morning in Dublin city doing some street photography. I've stuck some of the photos that I'm happiest with up in a Flickr collection for your heartless criticism.

#34 by lwf
2009-02-24 15:16:36
Photography is so 2007.

Handsome like a coat hanger. Wii.
#35 by TreeFrog
2009-02-24 15:24:12
What's the deal with street photography and permission? Do you ask people if they mind you taking a photo or do you just shoot and hope no-one gets arsey?

"If you watch the movie "Jaws" backwards, it's a movie about a shark that keeps throwing up people until they have to open a beach." - /b/tard
#36 by gaggle
2009-02-24 15:42:22
As far as I know you don't have to ask permission. It can be rude not to of course, but other than that you're free snap whatever is in the streets.

"Common sense; it is so rare, it is a god damn superpower."
#37 by gaggle
2009-02-24 15:47:14
More info on sites such as these (though that one is specific to the US, dunno how limiting European and local laws are)

"Common sense; it is so rare, it is a god damn superpower."
#38 by Jamie
2009-02-24 16:29:31
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
Deadlock, those look great. Nice use of B&W. Or is that what passes for color in Glendalough?

I kid, I kid!

I'm not sure what the laws are in Ireland, but in the US you can generally photograph anyone in a public place unless they have a clear expectation of privacy (e.g., in a changing room or bathroom). Of course, it's generally polite to ask permission if you're being intrusive, and I imagine most street performers would expect a tip.

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"It was a little hard to tell how bad I was bleeding on account of the salsa" -- Jibble
#39 by deadlock
2009-02-24 17:27:53
http://www.deadlocked.org/
What Jamie and Gaggle say is correct. As long as you (the photographer) are in a public place and the person that you are photographing doesn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy then you're free to snap away. Obviously someone might still take exception and you need to read the situation. The shots that I took on the street field trip were generally taken a little distance away, so I wasn't in anyone's face and it may not even have been obvious that they were the subject of the photo. In any event it helps that I was in a part of the city that is frequented by tourists so it's not uncommon or unusual to see people carrying cameras.

Note that this isn't across the board - in France, for example, everyone owns the copyright for their own image so if you take a photograph on the street you technically have to get anyone whose face is recognisable to sign a model release form. I think that in practise it doesn't really work out like that and that that generally happens if the photo is going to published or whatever.

In the second shot of the puppeteer, he's actually coming towards me and I think he was a bit miffed that I was taking  a photo and hadn't thrown some money into his hat. I snapped the shot then went to a shop to get some change but when I came back he had already moved on somewhere else :-( He's on that street regularly though, so I'll be sure to throw something in next time I see him, even if he doesn't recognise what for.

#40 by jjohnsen
2009-02-24 18:44:21
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Nice shots.  

#34 by lwf
Photography is so 2007.

No.

#41 by TreeFrog
2009-02-24 19:33:14
deadlock (#39):
Note that this isn't across the board - in France, for example, everyone owns the copyright for their own image so if you take a photograph on the street you technically have to get anyone whose face is recognisable to sign a model release form.

I think Japan's the same. Although you could probably just play the dumb gaijin card.

"If you watch the movie "Jaws" backwards, it's a movie about a shark that keeps throwing up people until they have to open a beach." - /b/tard
#42 by yotsuya
2009-02-24 19:35:47
Lwf is so 2004.

#43 by TreeFrog
2009-02-24 19:46:02
That putdown is so 15:16:36.

"If you watch the movie "Jaws" backwards, it's a movie about a shark that keeps throwing up people until they have to open a beach." - /b/tard
#44 by Caryn
2009-02-25 10:10:01
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
I have a lunch date with Valve on Thursday. Wish me luck.

#45 by BobJustBob
2009-02-25 10:37:57
Good luck! I suggest dropping as many Portal quotes on them as possible. In fact you should order cake for dessert and then excuse yourself from the table and go to the waiter and cancel the order, and then when you get back to the table and the cake never comes you can say... something. I have no idea what. But make it funny.

BUYBUYBUY
#46 by gaggle
2009-02-25 10:58:55
I'm pre-fawning already. Good luck Caryn!

"Common sense; it is so rare, it is a god damn superpower."
#47 by deadlock
2009-02-25 11:09:50
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Caryn (#44):
I have a lunch date with Valve on Thursday. Wish me luck.

What will you wear?

#48 by gaggle
2009-02-25 11:31:26
I suggest a pair of washed out jeans, a black loose-fitting belt, a washed out light brown leather jacket patched up with some duct tape, and a white hoodie shirt that leaves the midriff slightly exposed. Also, wear a hair band and fingerless gloves. You'll be hired on the spot.

"Common sense; it is so rare, it is a god damn superpower."
#49 by FoRmaT
2009-02-25 12:39:30
Gunp01nt, please, Schiphol pictures.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#50 by Gunp01nt
2009-02-25 13:36:29
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Heh, my dad was in there waiting for his flight to Jordan. when it happened. I texted him saying I hoped his flight wouldn't be delayed but that may come across as slightly insensitive now that it's been announced that people died in the crash.

I love how the media go to full sensationalist mode in these situations. One source has a 'living timeline' article which had the following gem pop up on it:
10.55: the first Twitter witness reports


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