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Do as I say, not as I do
August 13th 2000, 19:28 CEST by andy

Note for the humour impaired: This is a non-gaming, non-serious and not-very-important story. If this is likely to upset you, or hurt your brain in any way, then please do not proceed. In other words: It's funny. Laugh!

Hypocrisy. It's a wonderful thing...



First up, let's have an example of someone who isn't hypocritical: Me. Ah, you may mock and guffaw my easily-led friends, but you know it's true, and in this case relevant.

See, earlier this year I ran a celebrity web site for a few months. (Okay, so it was the most popular UK celeb site and consistently charted in the top twenty global list, but I'm not going to boast.) That site contained hundreds of TV captures and magazine scans, all of them copyright infringements. But yes, in the monosyllabic world of Internet politics where everyone is either pro- or anti- everything, I'm anti-Napster. Hypocritical?

Nope. See, I accept that my web site was infringing copyright. I accept that I had no right to do what I was doing, and legally it was wrong. If someone had tried to close the site down, and even if they'd succeeded, I'd have accepted that too. It's the same as the way I feel about Napster: I don't have any particular objection to people stealing music through Napster, but I do object to them claiming that they have a legal right to do so.

So that's settled. Andy != hypocrite. Mmkay?

Now let me introduce you to Darren McCarthy. And let me introduce you to his web site, which he proudly calls the Anti TV Captures Campaign.

Darren kicks things off with some background info:

This website has been created for the benefit of British television broadcasters, to inform about images or any other material that has been captured from their broadcast material and posted online without permission.

The sites featured in the URL lists are displaying material that is copyrighted to British television broadcasters. Broadcasters need to be made aware that sites like this exist and they can take action to have the material removed.

So he's a Good Samaritan, right? He's the Caped Crusader for broadcasters, hunting down those naughty copyright thieves so they can be thoroughly spanked? Well, not quite:

I have created this site because I have had first hand experience with broadcasters and their sensitivities about their copyrighted material that is online without their knowledge. I'm dedicated to this one broadcaster and feel I must ensure that none of their material is online without their knowledge.

Read a little further and you'll start to think that maybe, just maybe, he's running the site to get some attention from broadcasters. For instance, he says that he's looking for employment in the world of broadcasting, and that his "long term goal is to have the opportunity to present a television programme". So maybe his site is a little self-serving?

But it turns out that Darren is at least passionate about what he's doing. Worryingly so, in fact. And, although he does list regular celebrity sites, he appears to have a particular dislike of academic sites that archive TV history. Of one archive he says: "This site neither promotes nor criticises HTV but documents their history with a lot of TV captured images. The site that made me want to do this in the first place." Of another: "I really hate the fact that this page exists." He describes a third as simply: "My most hated site."

Right, so he's a bit of a wannabe, somewhat obsessive about his favourite broadcaster, and he doesn't like people putting TV captures on the web. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

However, it turns out that Darren is also a fan of the young choral singer Charlotte Church. So much of a fan, in fact, that he used to run a web site about her. Now he settles for just being (in his own words) "the Wales Correspondent" at CharlotteChurchFans.com.

Can you guess what you'll find at that site? Why, yes sir! It's a load of TV captures of Charlotte Church. There's even one provided by Darren himself captured from the very TV channel he is committed to defending! (Not to mention the increasingly familiar web site design, clearly inspired by our friends at GameSpy.)

Apparently, Darren doesn't see this as hypocritical. Hmm. Grassing up people who post TV captures on their web sites, but also helping to run a web site that does exactly the same thing. Maybe just a hint of a conflict there? Oh, but wait, let's read the disclaimer on the site:

We acknowledge that most, if not all of our images - especially those of Charlotte Church - come from alternative sources. We assure you that we are making no gain from these pictures apart from visits to this site.

So that's okay then. As long as you're only posting pictures from "alternative sources" (also known as "television") and you're not making any money (same as the sites on Darren's hit-list) then you're in the clear.

This is my nomination for the Web's Worst Hypocrite. Cast your votes now!

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#1 by "Speed"
2000-08-13 19:42:19
speed@pandora.be http://fragland.net
first ?
#2 by "Speed"
2000-08-13 19:46:53
speed@pandora.be http://fragland.net
I don't even see why someone would visit that dude's site.
Is there anything actually interesting on it ?
I vote it to be awful link of the day at a pretty known site that covers alot of some things awful ;p
#3 by "BarneyQue"
2000-08-13 19:52:14
barneyque@hotmail.com
I'm beginning to wonder if GSI is not actually licensing out there web design services or something.

That's the second seemingly unrelated site that appears to be a nearly exact replica of their design. I dont see the GSI sites as being so spectacular that if I wanted to start up a page, that the first thing I would do, is snag a GSI design.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#4 by "Morn"
2000-08-13 20:00:42
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
So it <b>is</b> GSI related! w00hey! :)

- Morn
<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#5 by "BarneyQue"
2000-08-13 20:05:06
barneyque@hotmail.com
<b>#3</b> "BarneyQue" wrote...
<QUOTE>

I'm beginning to wonder if GSI is not actually licensing out there web design services or something.

That's the second seemingly unrelated site that appears to be a nearly exact replica of their design. I dont see the GSI sites as being so spectacular that if I wanted to start up a page, that the first thing I would do, is snag a GSI design.</QUOTE>

Interesting, I checked the source code out from two site's with no apparent GSI connection with a few of GSI's pages.  Even the comments in the code are the same.  The similiarity's are not concidental.  Obvious rips.

I wonder about the fellow who's against posting TV caps (and does) is able to reconcile html theft in his value system. At least he's consistantly inconsistant.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#6 by "Andy"
2000-08-13 20:07:05
andy@planetcrap.com
<b>#4</b>, Morn:
<QUOTE>
So it <B>is</B> GSI related! w00hey! :)
</QUOTE>
Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny that you'd said that! We'll always manage to squeeze the little buggers in there somehow, won't we? ;-)

/me wonders when someone from GameSpy will turn up and spin this as an "anti-GSI" story...
#7 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-08-13 20:30:32
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com http://www.hulka.com
Okay, I'm over The Corrs!

My new babe is Alicia Witt!

<a href="http://www.celeb-world.com/aliciawitt/aliciawitt128.jpg"></a>
Yummy!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#8 by "Valeyard"
2000-08-13 20:34:33
valeyard@ck3.net http://www.ck3.net
<b>#6</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>/me wonders when someone from GameSpy will turn up and spin this as an "anti-GSI" story... </QUOTE>

Isn't that an "anti-GSI" comment?  :)

-Valeyard<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#9 by "None-1a"
2000-08-13 20:50:19
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a
Ok since I'm sitting here waiting for the female game tourny thread to download again (gota start e-mailing myselfmy main cache file before migrating systems) I guess I'll vote.

Web's Worst Hypocrite - Yes "sort of"

He may not be the "worst" but if any one started a list he'd be high on it.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#10 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-13 21:09:32
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
This guy sounds like a real winner.  :)  Anyone that obsessed with something is generally dangerously unstable ... there's a fine line between "passionate" and "what the fuck?".


On another note ... I'm beginning to think that PC really should get the script to automatically take the first post or something.  Heh, or better yet, start numbering the posts at 2.  :)  That way it won't resemble the ShugaShack forums with stupid "first?" posts in every thread (and the usual followups, "Damn, almost got it!") ...

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#11 by "None-1a"
2000-08-13 21:15:02
none1a@home.com http://www.geocities.com/none-1a
<b>#10</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE>On another note ... I'm beginning to think that PC really should get the script
to automatically take the first post or something. Heh, or better yet, start
numbering the posts at 2. :) That way it won't resemble the ShugaShack forums
with stupid "first?" posts in every thread (and the usual followups, "Damn,
almost got it!") ...

</QUOTE>

What so we can hear "WTF happened to the number 1"<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#12 by "Mankovic"
2000-08-13 21:24:45
mankovic@jellico.net http://
I agree, this dude is definately a few sandwiches short in his picnic basket. Can you imagine the amount of time he must have spent gathering the links, and then designing the website? Someone must have sewn a hair in his boxers at one point or another.....maybe a good clove cigarette will calm his mood somewhat...:-)
#13 by "wayfinder"
2000-08-13 21:37:42
http://www.azure-music.com
#10, Warren wrote:
<quote>On another note ... I'm beginning to think that PC really should get the script to automatically take the first post or something. Heh, or better yet, start numbering the posts at 2. :) That way it won't resemble the ShugaShack forums with stupid "first?" posts in every thread (and the usual followups, "Damn, almost got it!") ...
</quote>


It would be much cooler if morn wrote a script to sack any first posts with the word "first" in it


----
way-fu, exercise today!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#14 by "Rambar"
2000-08-13 23:00:36
rambar@coldsprings.reno.nv.us
<b>#6</b> "Andy" wrote...
<QUOTE>
/me wonders when someone from GameSpy will turn up and spin this as an "anti-GSI" story...
</QUOTE>

Do they have to defend themselves from the cry of hypocrite of often that it has become the same as anti-GSI? :)

<b>#10</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE>
On another note ... I'm beginning to think that PC really should get the script to automatically take the first post or something. Heh, or better yet, start numbering the posts at 2. :) That way it won't resemble the ShugaShack forums with stupid "first?" posts in every thread (and the usual followups, "Damn, almost got it!") ...
</QUOTE>

Heh, I think humanity will find away to first post.  If you make the default starting number 2 be prepared for the cry of second post.  You could filter out certain words but people have found creative ways around filters before (f.i.r.s.t).  You could put a word minimum but I don't think first posters are above spamming either.

OTOH you could ban whoever posts first from further posting on the topic if its not a legitimate post but I don't want to have to determine the criteria for that.
--
Rambar<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#15 by "Derek Smart"
2000-08-13 23:07:08
dsmart@3000ad.com http://www.3000ad.com
Andy, you give a toss what this tosser is doing because....??

People, especially those on the Net, feel like they can do what hell they bloody well like. So, they do. If this guy wants to have his cake and eat it too, thats his problem. Why does it warrant a discussion here? I don't see the importance of it all, especially since he's not the only one doing it.

Frankly, I don't see what the furor is about. Maybe I missed something? To harp on what this guy is doing would warrant the same sort of action at the thousands of sites that do the same thing. Why this guy, Andy? A grudge? Did you have a run-in with him? etc etc?? I think that its important that we know this before jumping feet first into this (<i>IMHO</i>)

I am a little sensitive to this because, apart from parody sites (<i>like that likeable lunatic JeffK or the psychotically funny Erik over at OMM</i>) I have a thing against people using professional themed sites to bash other people. Fact is, I just had a similar run-in with Joel Mathis over at Gone Gold. And in case you missed it, go read Rich's post of yesterday to get an idea of what I'm talking about.
<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#16 by "Derek Smart"
2000-08-13 23:08:16
dsmart@3000ad.com http://www.3000ad.com
<b>#5</b> "BarneyQue" wrote...
<QUOTE>I wonder about the fellow who's against posting TV caps (and does) is able to reconcile html theft in his value system. At least he's consistantly
inconsistant.</QUOTE>

Perhaps they are using similar template programs? I hardly call that theft.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#17 by "Derek Smart"
2000-08-13 23:09:47
dsmart@3000ad.com http://www.3000ad.com
<b>#12</b> "Mankovic" wrote...
<QUOTE>
I agree, this dude is definately a few sandwiches short in his picnic basket.
Can you imagine the amount of time he must have spent gathering the links, and
then designing the website? Someone must have sewn a hair in his boxers at one
point or another.....maybe a good clove cigarette will calm his mood
somewhat...:-)
</QUOTE>

ROTFLMSAO!! (<i>man, that was some funny shit</i>)



<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#18 by "Baytor"
2000-08-13 23:17:12
baytor@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/baytor
<b>#10</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE>On another note ... I'm beginning to think that PC really should get the script
to automatically take the first post or something. Heh, or better yet, start
numbering the posts at 2. :) That way it won't resemble the ShugaShack forums
with stupid "first?" posts in every thread (and the usual followups, "Damn,
almost got it!") ...
</QUOTE>

I normally go for something short and nonsensical when I've got the opportunity for first.

Slightly more interesting than "first," and you look less like an idiot when you miss.  Still look like an idiot, but it's a lighter shade of stupidity.

I... AM BAYTOR!!!!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#19 by "Baytor"
2000-08-13 23:18:19
baytor@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/baytor
<b>#13</b> "wayfinder" wrote...
<QUOTE>It would be much cooler if morn wrote a script to sack any first posts with the
word "first" in it
</QUOTE>

And watch some guy get steamed because his reasonably well thought-out post started with "First off..."

I... AM BAYTOR!!!!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#20 by "Pacific"
2000-08-13 23:21:36
Postus Primus!

Warren, there are a billion ways of circumventing it...but I agree. Particularly as I'm never fast enough to get any post in single digits.

Not that I try...err...I mean...damn.

Pac.
#21 by "flamethrower"
2000-08-13 23:42:10
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#10</b> "Warren Marshall"

<QUOTE>On another note ... I'm beginning to think that PC really should get the script to automatically take the first post or something. Heh, or better yet, start numbering the posts at 2. :) </QUOTE>

Warren, I'm beginning to think the pole up your ass has a pole up it's ass.
<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#22 by "BarneyQue"
2000-08-14 00:14:17
barneyque@hotmail.com
<b>#16</b> "Derek Smart" wrote...
<QUOTE>

<B>#5</B> "BarneyQue" wrote...

<quote>I wonder about the fellow who's against posting TV caps (and does) is able to reconcile html theft in his value system. At least he's consistantly
inconsistant.</quote>

Perhaps they are using similar template programs? I hardly call that theft.</QUOTE>

Yeah, they might be, I considered that.  But what about the graphics?  GSI had to pay someone to create those graphics, I figure they should be entitled to exclusive use of them.

BTW, I got the CD, Thank you.   I have no idea how long it's going to take me to get through the documentation, but I'm working my way through it.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#23 by "MCorleone"
2000-08-14 00:18:25
john_st123@hotmail.com
I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that Derek Smart was not British.  Why am I perceiving this rather pathetic attempt to use British slang and current-lingo in his last few posts?
#24 by "szcx"
2000-08-14 01:40:38
i thought derek was british.  not that there's anything _wrong_ with that...

and i'm not american, but i've spent enough time here that i find myself using US slang.

it's hardly pathetic.
#25 by "Dethstryk"
2000-08-14 01:42:50
dethstryk@damagegaming.com http://www.damagegaming.com/
Hey gang, Derek is "half-British" or however he puts it. Maybe he'll grace us with the explanation. :)


--
Dethstryk
Damage Gaming
#26 by "RzE"
2000-08-14 02:21:59
rze@counter-strike.net http://csnation.counter-strike.net
Off topic, I used to know an British newsgroup (Chris Buckly, I'm willing to bet someone here has heard of) junkie who would argue over the stupidest points, like how SiN was better than Half-life, and how Half-Life multiplayer would lose to Quake 2 (of course this was a year and a half ago). Derek reminds me a lot of him (no offense at all, it's just how he speaks (writes?)).

Gah, anyways..

GSI is.. rich, they're not using template programs to design their sites. They make them in house. And they're not licensing it either, the sole purpose of the design was to make GSI sites stand out. Which leaves stealing GSI's HTML.

Andy is correct in all his points.. hi
#27 by "BarneyQue"
2000-08-14 02:28:31
barneyque@hotmail.com
<b>#23</b> "MCorleone" wrote...
<QUOTE>

I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that Derek Smart was not British. Why am I perceiving this rather pathetic attempt to use British slang and current-lingo in his last few posts? </QUOTE>

Regardless, being a life long resident of Canada, I find British slang, lingo, and humor quite refreshing.  I plan to visit the UK some day, and just go sit in a pub and listen to people.  I get a big kick out of it, and hopfully, they will find my mangled english to be equally amusing.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#28 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-14 02:42:57
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>flamethrower</b> (#21):
<QUOTE>Warren, I'm beginning to think the pole up your ass has a pole up it's ass. </QUOTE>

That's fine.  As long as I'm nothing like you, I'm happy.  :)

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#29 by "superion"
2000-08-14 03:12:23
http://dictionary.msn.com/ewedmedia/11k_GSM.wav/A1 http://dictionary.msn.com/ewedmedia/11k_GSM.wav/A1
Warren the broken record.

Self gloriously gloating your way into the shitlist.
#30 by "MCorleone"
2000-08-14 03:50:34
john_st123@hotmail.com
I'm Canadian also, I just find it quite annoying to read slang being used in the purpose of "passing off" as a member of the culture who's slang the offender is using.  (Confusing enough explanation?)  

Tosser, punter, bollocks, etc. are, in my opinion, fine to use if you're British, but it just irks me when someone else tries to use them.  

I guess it stems from non-British singers who start singing with an "accent" and visa-versa.
#31 by "Thorbar"
2000-08-14 04:03:18
finod@iol.ie
I don't know why you gave your little "note for the humour impaired" warning,  your posting was neither funny nor insulting.  Try harder next time.
#32 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-14 04:03:35
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>superion</b> (#29):
<QUOTE>
Warren the broken record.

Self gloriously gloating your way into the
shitlist. </QUOTE>

Pardon?

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#33 by "BarneyQue"
2000-08-14 04:05:35
barneyque@hotmail.com
<b>#30</b> "MCorleone" wrote...
<QUOTE>

I'm Canadian also, I just find it quite annoying to read slang being used in the purpose of "passing off" as a member of the culture who's slang the offender is using. (Confusing enough explanation?)

Tosser, punter, bollocks, etc. are, in my opinion, fine to use if you're British, but it just irks me when someone else tries to use them.

I guess it stems from non-British singers who start singing with an "accent" and visa-versa. </QUOTE>

No confusion, I speak Canadian too.  I agree with most of that, I'd like to make some domestic claim on the term tosser though.  I've heard it enough that I think we can make some claim of it here.  :)

As for the entertainers who suddenly develop an accent, yes, I find that annoying when I pick up on it as well.  I could be wrong here, but I believe I've read that Derek can make some claim to his speech, but I'll not speak for him and let him address that if he chooses.

<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#34 by "Thorbar"
2000-08-14 04:17:25
finod@iol.ie
I've just taken a look at the www.charlottechurchfans.com sire, and i found this in the credits <quote>This site is dedicated to Charlotte, may she forever brighten the would with her beauty and grace and to all those who came before us</quote>
How paedophilic can you get I mean the girl can sing well but she's only like 12.
#35 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-08-14 04:20:47
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
<b>#33</b> "BarneyQue" wrote...
<QUOTE>
As for the entertainers who suddenly develop an accent, yes, I find that annoying when I pick up on it as well. I could be wrong here, but I believe I've read that Derek can make some claim to his speech, but I'll not speak for him and let him address that if he chooses.
</QUOTE>
Madonna somehow developed an English accent, I suppose around the time she decided she liked English men. Or at least English producers that make her sound "modern" again...

I met Derek years ago (six?) at CES (where he was showing Battlecruiser I believe at the Mission Studios stand) and can verify that he has an accent. Whee.

---
"My life is a patio of fun."<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#36 by "Daren walz"
2000-08-14 05:12:42
walzx002@maroon.tc.umn.edu
Derek is British, he lives in florida now.

And I have no idea if he's a naturalized citizen


-Daren

*flush*<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#37 by "Baytor"
2000-08-14 05:49:28
baytor@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/baytor
<b>#23</b> "MCorleone" wrote...
<QUOTE>


I may be wrong, but it was my understanding that Derek Smart was not British.
Why am I perceiving this rather pathetic attempt to use British slang and
current-lingo in his last few posts? </QUOTE>

I don't know, I'm not British and I'm constantly slipping in British slang.  My excuse is I read too many comics by UK authors.

Tis the wonderful thing about America, we absorb all other cultures... we're evil that way :)

I... AM BAYTOR!!!!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#38 by "Baytor"
2000-08-14 05:52:55
baytor@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/baytor
<b>#30</b> "MCorleone" wrote...
<QUOTE>Tosser, punter, bollocks, etc. are, in my opinion, fine to use if you're
British, but it just irks me when someone else tries to use them.
</QUOTE>

Those are the suckier bits of English slang.  Wank, wanker, bloke, etc. are fair fucking game though, Gawdammit.

I... AM BAYTOR!!!!<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#39 by "Ian"
2000-08-14 06:31:14
So I see you're from Canada.

How's it going, <b>eh</b>?

Would you like a doughnut?

But seriously, I thought all they had up there were <i>lumberjacks and curlers</i>.

No doot <b>a-boot</b> it!
#40 by "Andy"
2000-08-14 07:16:16
andy@planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
<b>#15</b>, Derek Smart:

Was your post meant to be a joke? <i>Please</i> tell me you weren't being serious...
#41 by "Tom Cleghorn"
2000-08-14 09:29:30
tc10@spammegoonidareya.st-andrews.ac.uk http://www.fisty.com/~tom/
Quintessentially British oaths:
Bollocks
Knackers (also knackered)
Tosspot
Wanker
Shag, and all forms thereof (it's not a dance, btw... I'm endlessly amused when I remember a poster I saw in Vancouver for a 60s night at some club, which had 'COME DRESSED TO SHAG!' all over it in huge letters :)
Shite, although it's more specifically Irish and Scottish...
Bloody. It just doesn't sound right in any other accent :)
And various others
They're all ours, and you damn colonials can keep yer grubby little paws off 'em :)
#42 by "Andrew Stine"
2000-08-14 11:30:31
linguica@doomworld.com http://www.doomworld.com
WTF?  I love how this site is a cheap ripoff of the Planet* design.  I don't care about any of this other British-hypocrite-whatever crap Andy is talking about, I'd just like to know why the hell I have been seeing quite a few non-GSI sites with this layout...
#43 by "deadlock"
2000-08-14 11:31:26
deadlock@eircom.net
i don't care what you say about british slang but the Irish use of the word 'mickey' as a euphemism for penis is the ultimate. 'I'll kick ya in the bleedin' mickey ye fuckin gobshite' just has to be heard to be believed.

deadlock
#44 by "G-Man"
2000-08-14 11:36:00
jonmars@shiftlock.org http://www.shiftlock.org
<b>#43</b> "deadlock" wrote...
<QUOTE>i don't care what you say about british slang but the Irish use of the word 'mickey' as a euphemism for penis is the ultimate.</QUOTE>
In my circle we call it a 'romero'.

 - [g.man]<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#45 by "deadlock"
2000-08-14 11:54:51
deadlock@eircom.net
that's gisdusting

deadlock
#46 by "deadlock"
2000-08-14 12:48:17
deadlock@eircom.net
Check This</a>

deadlock
#47 by "deadlock"
2000-08-14 12:48:46
deadlock@eircom.net
shite didn't work, try <a href="http://www.viz.co.uk/profanisaurus/profanis.htm">this</a>

deadloc
#48 by "Morn"
2000-08-14 14:58:25
morn@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
<b>#13</b> "wayfinder" wrote...
<QUOTE>It would be much cooler if morn wrote a script to sack any first posts with the word "first" in it</QUOTE>

Wouldn't want to know what the fans of the "<i>first</i> amendment" would think of that. ;-)

- Morn
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#49 by "RandoM"
2000-08-14 17:35:56
random1@speakeasy.org
Andy,

"Stare not into the abyss, lest the abyss stare into you."


...or something like that.

/me envisions Andy as this little linux box sitting in a corner, running a webcrawler searching for inconsistancies.
#50 by "Andy"
2000-08-14 17:48:59
andy@planetcrap.com http://www.meejahor.com/
Heh, I'm just gathering snacks ready to watch The Abyss!

Oh, and I saw the site linked in a newsgroup, you ridiculous fool.
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