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Those Damn Kids....
August 11th 2000, 23:16 CEST by jeet

I, Uncle Jeet, being of sound mind and body, do hereby bequeth absofuckinglutely nothing to the collective group of nothingness, otherwise known as "Those Damn Kids" or "TDKs."

Let me begin this by letting all of you know that I do not have any children of my own. I'm only twenty-five for Christ's sake, and I wouldn't want to bring a child into being whilst residing in the cesspool of the toothless humans, otherwise knows as "This Damn Town I Live In" or "TDTILI."

With that aside, I want to go on the record as publically stating, for the nineteen-bazillionth time, that I fully and firmly believe that the vast majority of teens today should be put to work in virtual cotton fields under virtual sunlight and made to sweat virtual rivers of percpiration - all in retribution for their whiny assed cries of self-loathing and drama. In short, I can't much stand the little fuckers.

Why? What has made me this way? It's simple, really. They have. Honestly, the more teens that I'm exposed to, the more I hate them. Now, before many of you get on your warhorses of tolerance and come charging at the pearly gates of my whorehouse, I realize that we were all once teenagers ourselves. I was one myself, not so many moons ago. I was an obnoxious turd that thought I knew everything there was to know about life, and I couldn't abide "Those Damn Old Folks" or "TDOFs."

But that's not what I'm talking about here, folks. There seems to be, more and more, a blantent disregard by TDKs for anything even remotely connected to history. (Well, unless it stars Mel Gibson or Wynonna Ryder.) I'm not just talking about textbook history here, either. Nope, it's anything of the past.

When talking to one of TDKs recently, I asked him what his three favorite movies of all time were. You know, what films does he consider to be classics. Films beyond reproach. Innovative films, films that raised the bar in Hollywood, or even just some movie he caught one afternoon in between Nintendo and jerking-off, that had some sort of a timeless impact on him. Do you know what he told me? Do you know what timeless classics he offered up? Here you go: The Matrix, Blade, and X-Men. These are his classics. But wait, it doesn't stop there.

When I asked him why his all time favorite movies had all been released within the last few years, he simply replied with, "Well, I don't care about old movies. Besides, if something good comes out this year, I'll change my list." Now, it could just be that he was confused on what the term "of all time" meant, but he wasn't. During further conversation, it became painfully obvious that, to him, if something ceases to be new, it ceases to be important. Nothing old bears any consequence on either the present or the future, and should therefore simply be disgarded.

One can expect the cliched, "Live in the moment" from a teenager about as much as one can expect the "I don't care what other people think" line coming from a Gap-child sitting down in their Honda Civic, getting ready to hit the gas pedal with their Doc Martin clad right foot. But it's not this that I have a problem with. Teens have always done their best to live up to the ideals given to them by whatever company spent the most money on advertising that year. (Well, that and Mtv...) But, there seems to be, now, a sudden rational thought process behind an intentional - and sometimes forced - refusual of the past. Of anything old.

I don't know about you, but I see the world becoming more and more corporate funded, and thus, corporate run. Nowhere is this more evident than in the advertisers' greatest dream: the teenager. Not only do they naturally crave the new and exciting, but today they are actually becoming aggressively avoidant of the past. Why does this make sense for companies? Simple. It sells. Is it a consipiracy? Nyah, I don't think so. It just plain sucks more ass than a WWF proctologist, and pisses me off to boot.

We could speculate for days as to the cause of this phenomenon. It could be the endless hours of television or video games. It could be the herky-jerky nature of shots done by amature-videographers-cum-innovators on Mtv. The point is, it doesn't really matter what the cause is. Those Damn Kids are here, and they are here to stay. At least until they get bored....then they can always go to Wal-Mart for a shotgun and quad-damage.

Have we failed our youth? Not so much as we have failed ourselves, I think. People, hear me now: It's time to fix this problem. Remember the old adages of, "Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it" and "Everything old is new again." If that's not clear enough for you yet, then here you go. Seven words. New Kids On The Block - Backstreet Boys....Any questions?


Uncle Get Offa My Damned Porch... Jeet
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#1 by "Uncle Jeet"
2000-08-11 23:17:49
jeet@planetcrap.com http://www.planetcrap.com
Nobody's first, mother-fuckers!

<b>Uncle</b> <i>Bite My Ass And Call It Candy</i> <b>Jeet</b>
#2 by "PiRaMidA"
2000-08-11 23:27:29
piramida@agsm.net http://www.agsm.net
Post <b>#1</b> by Uncle Jeet:
<QUOTE><i>
Nobody's first, mother-fuckers!
</i></QUOTE>

Doh ;)
Morn, can you make the script to auto-first-post something like a quote of nanosecond? ;)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#3 by "BloodKnight"
2000-08-11 23:27:47
bloodknight@somethingawful.com
FUCK!

I was so damn close

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#4 by "Certis"
2000-08-11 23:29:23
spleen@mts.net http://www.voodooextreme.com/Alteredworlds
Is this supposed to be funny or entertaining?
#5 by "PiRaMidA"
2000-08-11 23:32:45
piramida@agsm.net http://www.agsm.net
Jeet, /me thinks you are too bitter. Really, teenagers rarely give a fuck about past. They have their own smaller interests and as far as I know, it's always been like this. It's only when you become older and, you know, mature, that you start thinking about moral, the world you live in, and other boring shit. When you are young, you only have a couple of goals in life: to get laid, to be cooler than your friends, and to hide from your parents that you smoke pot.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#6 by "Konrad"
2000-08-11 23:35:21
<b>Certis</b> (#4):
<QUOTE>
Is this supposed to be funny or entertaining?
</QUOTE>

Wow, what a stinging riposte.  I wish I could dismiss an entire topic with such wit.

If you listen hard enough I think you can hear Uncle Jeet weeping.
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#7 by "Morpheus"
2000-08-11 23:37:20
oneiros42@hotmail.com
I think it falls under sad but true...
#8 by "flamethrower"
2000-08-11 23:49:46
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>The Matrix, Blade, and X-Men</b>

I've seen, enjoyed, <i>savoured</i>, many of the classics. Ealing comedies, Shakespeare (RSC touring and in Stratford Upon Avon; touring groups; Cambridge Student events). I have Bergman films on DVD. I've been to museums around Europe, art galleries, book festivals. I'm going to the 53rd Edinburgh International Book Festival this weekend and next week, to listen to icons like Jeff Noon and Will Self. And I'm booked in at the Edinburgh Fringe, mainly for comedy, dance, and theatre. There is a Dali exhibit here (the largest in Europe) I'm already booked for that too. I've read books, fiction, science fiction, fantasy, factual, biographies, and the classics. I enjoy music of all types, pop, rock, dance, jazz, blues, classic. One of the joys of the Internet is the radio, there's nothing quite like switching from hardcore dub mixed in Sydney, to a rock station in Denver, to live jazz from New York. And once in a while, games are art too. Doom. Quake. System Shock, and sequel.


And you know what? I don't blame Jeets lads. Those three films have the highest thrill content.

Still, the punk-ass kids should have put in THE trilogy: STAR WARS. And maybe BLADERUNNER.

Five that will stand the test of time. In fifty years, they'll still be watching Star Wars, and Bladerunner will still get its own society of fans at Universities across the western world.

We were all born in contempary times. As they age, I hope these kids expand their world view, but allow them their childhood, for ultimately we are all but dead men.

Shadows and dust, Jeet, shadows and dust.
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#9 by "Konrad"
2000-08-11 23:54:35
<b>Uncle Jeet</b> (Main):

<QUOTE>
I see the world becoming more and more corporate funded, and thus, corporate run.</QUOTE>

Thank the great <b>Ford</b> that the Government will never let this happen.

<b>Uncle Jeet</b> (Main):

<QUOTE>Do you know what timeless classics he offered up? Here you go: The Matrix, Blade, and X-Men.</QUOTE>

My God.  Doesn't everyone know that Blade sucked ass?  There has gotta be at least one Lethal Weapon film in there or it's just plain criminal.

<QUOTE>It just plain sucks more ass than a WWF proctologist</QUOTE>

tee hee <I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#10 by "bobby"
2000-08-11 23:56:54
bobby@bobby.com http://www.bobby.com
My bedroom is a very small room indeed. I dont have any windows for circulation, and I'm too poor to buy a fan. So when I really let a juicy fart, as I just did a few seconds ago, I always wish that I hadn't. The smell sometimes lingers for days on end, and I usually end up wishing I was dead.
#11 by "BloodKnight"
2000-08-11 23:56:59
bloodknight@somethingawful.com
<b>Morpheus</b> (#7):
<QUOTE>


I think it falls under sad but true... </QUOTE>

Wrong!  Just because Jeet met one dumbass teenager doesn't mean it represents all teenagers.  Fine, I will pick old fart, Bill Clinton.  Horny, loves to fuck, and blows up third world countries.  Is that an example of a old guy in society?  Nope, and same with this moronic teenager



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#12 by "12xu"
2000-08-12 00:03:10
mswitzer@insync.net http://http;//www.hichouston.org
ummm...Jeet, you been living under a rock?

Most adults are the same way...

Nobody knows who Iggy Pop is, the Velvet Underground, Charles Mingus, Albert Ayler, Charles Ives, etc...

Very few people could name you more than a couple Hitchcock films, and if you ask then about Bunuel or Bergamn you're goning to get a blank stare...I bet if I took a survery in my 200+ company most folks wouldn't have even seen Casblanca or The Maltese Falcon for crying out loud...

and literature...well let's just say Stephen King and Danielle Steele aren't purley the realm of teenagers...

Pop culture (not normally a perjorative term, though that's how I am using it here) has taken over for everyone...not just the kids...If it isn't in the public eye right not it is not important, that's America young old and in between...

12xu
out<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#13 by "mcgrew"
2000-08-12 00:09:40
mcgrew@famvid.com http://theFragfest.com
Damn, Jeet... where do you live? The teens I meet aren't like that. None of my daughters' friends are like that.

That said... history means more when you have lived through a little.

-Steve (sadly, not a teen)
#14 by "Forensic"
2000-08-12 00:12:42
boyd@wam.umd.edu
Does this mean PlanetCrap will publish my rant about ten-year olds the next time my little sister kicks me in the shins?
#15 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-12 00:13:16
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>Konrad</b> (#9):
<QUOTE>My God. Doesn't everyone know that Blade sucked ass? There has gotta be at least
one Lethal Weapon film in there or it's just plain criminal. </QUOTE>

I liked Blade.  :)

<b>12xu</b> (#12):
<QUOTE>Very few people could name you more than a couple Hitchcock films, and if you
ask then about Bunuel or Bergamn you're goning to get a blank stare...I bet if I
took a survery in my 200+ company most folks wouldn't have even seen Casblanca
or The Maltese Falcon for crying out loud... </QUOTE>

But so what?  Those films are classics to you maybe, but maybe I (hypothetically) don't like them at all.  I'm entitled to that.  Doesn't make me "wrong".

My personal example is Clockwork Orange.  People raved aout it to me.  One of the best films ever made, they said.  So I nabbed the DVD, preparing to have my mind blown.  What I experienced was the worst movie experience I've had the displeasure of sitting through since Eyes Wide Shut.  Total crap.

But differing opinions are what make the world go round ... or maybe it's money ... or love ... I can never remember.

--

Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#16 by "flamethrower"
2000-08-12 00:20:19
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#15</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE>So I nabbed the DVD [of A Clockwork Orange] preparing to have my mind blown. What I experienced was the worst movie experience I've had the displeasure of sitting through since Eyes Wide Shut. Total crap. </QUOTE>

Warren. I think everthing that ever needs to be said about you was said in that paragraph.

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#17 by "12xu"
2000-08-12 00:38:56
mswitzer@insync.net http://http;//www.hichouston.org
<b>#15</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE>But so what? Those films are classics to you maybe, but maybe I (hypothetically)
don't like them at all. I'm entitled to that. Doesn't make me "wrong". </QUOTE>

No, doesn't make you wrong...but classics are not classics to you or me...classics are classics...

also note that I didn't say wouldn't like these films or whatever, but that they would not know them at all...not liking them is different from never having experienced them...

Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon, The works of Hitchcock are things that have stood the test of time, works that are referenced constantly...whether or not you personally like them is irrelevant to their status as "classics"...

I mean I hated beowulf but that doesn't make it not a classic piece of literature...

To be culturally literate you need to be exposed to all sorts of classic media of the culture in question...your liking or disliking them is really beside the point...

I would say Clockwork is a classic...I also happen to enjoy it...but it is referenced in all sorts of media today constantly...be it the simpsons or something more high tone...

How many people here have watched old Bob Hope films?
if you like Woody Allen you should...knowing where alot of that style comes from helps bring his work to another level...

It is this level of appreciation that you miss if you don't expose yourself to the classics...

I'm rambling again, huh?

12xu
out

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#18 by "Konrad"
2000-08-12 00:40:51
<b>Warren Marshall</b> (#15):
<QUOTE>Clockwork Orange...Total crap</QUOTE>

You think Blade is a better film than Clockwork Orange?

Actually I totally agree.  As a book it's an interesting morality tale about how the freedom of a man to make his own decisions is what makes him a man in the first place (I think).  It's prediction of the near future (70s I think) was also quite interesting it's accuracy.  Except for the alcoholic milk of course.  Hmmmmmmmm, alcoholic milk.

As a film, my horrorshow droogs, it just gave me migraine.

And Wesley Snipes really did kick some butt.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#19 by "flamethrower"
2000-08-12 00:47:42
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
I thought it was <b>drugged</b> milk. In fact, I'm sure it was.

Yeah, alcohol's a drug too, but...<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#20 by "Skid"
2000-08-12 00:55:15
skid@planetquake.com http://www.thepeel.com/void
Heh, I thought Dr.StrangeLove was one of the most overrated things I've seen. It wasn't funny, I've seen and read much much better satires, and it didn't really seem to have a point to it.

As for the topic, I really don't care about what people like or don't like as their personal preferences. They've got their own lives to live. However, I do have opinions about stuff like jerry springer and wwf and what not, because I think that stuff is twisting decency and respect at a very large scope.
#21 by "Konrad"
2000-08-12 00:57:57
<b>flamethrower</b> (#19):
<QUOTE>I thought it was <B>drugged</B> milk. In fact, I'm sure it was.</QUOTE>

Yeah, you're right.

"They had no license for selling liquor, but their was no law against prodding some of the new veshches which they used to put into the old moloko"

I wonder if that's where the band got their name from?

But anyway.  Hmmmmm, alcoholic milk.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#22 by "Sgt Hulka"
2000-08-12 01:02:57
Sgt_Hulka@Hulka.com http://www.hulka.com
<b>#15</b> "Warren Marshall" wrote...
<QUOTE>My personal example is Clockwork Orange. People raved aout it to me. One of the best films ever made, they said. So I nabbed the DVD, preparing to have my mind blown. What I experienced was the worst movie experience I've had the displeasure of sitting through since Eyes Wide Shut. Total crap. </QUOTE>

Well, when I saw it I was totally baked and loved it, so go figure.  Then again, I think Carousel is a great movie too, and I'm not gay.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#23 by "Nemesis"
2000-08-12 01:44:16
stevenlawton@thefreeinternet.co.uk
<b>#20</b> "Skid" wrote...
<QUOTE>

Heh, I thought Dr.StrangeLove was one of the most overrated things I've seen. It wasn't funny, I've seen and read much much better satires, and it didn't really seem to have a point to it.
</QUOTE>

Please don't beat u on Dr S I grew up on that stuff...that and the goons anyway...

Blade was a cool film if you ignored the cheesy exploding vampires FX which I thought sucked...
#24 by "Nemesis"
2000-08-12 01:44:39
stevenlawton@thefreeinternet.co.uk
Damn beat u == beat up....
#25 by "flamethrower"
2000-08-12 01:46:04
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#21</b> "Konrad" wrote...
<QUOTE>I wonder if that's where the band got their name from? </QUOTE>

LOTS of bands got their name from ACO.

There's a list of bands in a window... those names got chosen by thousands of wannabe bands, and several made it big. I forget WHICH. Like <i>Heaven 17</i> I think.

And wasn't Duran Duran from "Duran" in Barbarella?


Alex:
"Where I lived was with my Dada and Mum in munichipal flat block 18-A Linear North. It had been a wonderful evening and what I needed now to give it the perfect ending was a bit of the old Ludwig Van. Oh bliss, bliss and heaven... it was gorgeousness and gorgeosity made flesh...Oh, it was wonder of wonders... And then, a bird of like rarest spun heavenmetal, or like silvery wine flowing in a spaceship, gravity all nonsense now as I slooshied I knew such pretty pictures."

More from Alex:
"As we walked along the flatblock marina, i was calm on the outside but thinking all the time. So it was to be Georgie the general saying what we should do and what not to do and Dim as his mindless grinning bulldog. But suddenly I viddied that thinking was for the gloopy ones and the oomny ones used like inspiration and what Bog sends. Well now, it was lovely music that came to my aid. There was a window open with the stereo on and I viddied right at once what to do...... "

<a href="http://www.clockworkorange.com/graphics/Alex_Gangbar.jpg">http://www.clockworkorange.com/graphics/Alex_Gangbar.jpg</a>

I mean <b>for fuck's sake Warren, READ THIS:</b>

Alex:
"Well that's good. I like to viddy the old films now and again.

And viddy films I would. Where I was taken to, Brothers, was like no cine I ever viddied before. I was bound up in a straight jacket and my guliver was strapped to a headrest with like wires running away from it. Then they clamped like lidlocks on my eyes so that I could not shut them no matter how hard I tried. It seemed a bit crazy to me but I let them get on with it. If I was to be a free young malchick again in a fortnights time I would put up with much in the meantime, O my Brothers. So far the first film, was a very good professional piece of cine. Like it was done in Hollywood. The sounds were real horroshow, you could slooshie the screams and moans very realistic. You could even get the heavy breathing and panting of the tolchcoking malchicks at the same time. And then what do you know, soon our dear old friend the red red vino on tap. The same in all places, like it was put out by the same big firm, began to flow. It was beautiful. It's funny how the colors of the real world only seem really real when you viddy them on the screen. Now all the time I was watching this, I was beginning to get very aware of like not feeling all that well. And this this I put down to all the rich food and vitamins. But I tried to forget this concentrating on the next film which jumped right away on a young devotchka who was being given the old in-out, in-out. First by one malchick, then another, then another. When it came to the sixth or seventh malchick leering and smecking and going into it, I began to feel really sick. But I could not shut my glassies and even if I tried to move my glassballs about, I still not get out of the line of fire of the picture. "

I'm trying to <i>help</i> you!

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#26 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-12 01:48:28
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>flamethrower</b> (#16):
<QUOTE>Warren. I think everthing that ever needs to be said about you was said in that
paragraph. </QUOTE>

That I'm not like you?  I'll take that as a compliment.  :)

<b>Konrad</b> (#18):
<QUOTE>You think Blade is a better film than Clockwork Orange? </QUOTE>

Yes, I'd watch Blade over Clockwork Orange any day of the week.  :)

<b>Sgt Hulka</b> (#22):
<QUOTE>Well, when I saw it I was totally baked and loved it, so go figure. </QUOTE>

Well, that's probably the key to it.  Get high or drunk before watching.  :)

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Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#27 by "Warren Marshall"
2000-08-12 01:50:08
warren@epicgames.com http://www.epicgames.com
<b>flamethrower</b> (#25):
<QUOTE>I'm trying to <I>help</I> you! </QUOTE>

Thanks, but the day I start accepting help from someone filled with as much bitterness as you ... well, just let me proceed to the next life.  :)

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Warren Marshall - Professional Nuisance<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#28 by "Rantage"
2000-08-12 01:57:42
rantage@hotmail.com http://www.steelmaelstrom.org
Kids will <I>always</I> appear to be irreverent and clue-impaired to those who have grown out of puberty.  Jeet, your argument is probably no different than one expressed by adults 10, 20, even 50 years ago.

You have to take comfort in the fact that as annoying as some of the fads and music that TDKs  enjoy, most of it has a lifespan measured in months.  Be grateful your career does not depend on this, unlike the New Kids, Backstreet Boys, and Brittany Spears-lookalikes out there.  Thank your lucky stars your job does not ride on designing the next Cabbage Patch doll, Tickle-Me Elmo or Pokemon game.

However, don't think for a minute that there aren't some <I>promising</I> individuals languishing out there in the mental prisons known as the public school system.  Maybe <I>they</I> couldn't tell you who Bing Crosby's film partner was or the name of the violent Malcom McDowell flick directed by Kubrick...but they probably hold the past in less disdain.

Is <B>now</B> the time to "fix the problem," as you demand?  Sure, just as much as 1992, 1988 and 1975 were.  Just as "everything old is new again," so is the issue of young vs. old.  Just as "those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it," so are today's TDKs going to grow up to be angst-ridden twentysomethings (like you) and thirtysomethings (like me) who are going to shake their head and wonder why all of a sudden the world is going to Hell in a handbasket.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#29 by "Konrad"
2000-08-12 02:03:43
<b>flamethrower</b> (#25):
<QUOTE>And wasn't Duran Duran from "Duran" in Barbarella?</QUOTE>

Don't ask me, I'm just one those clueless TDKs.

<b>Warren Marshall</b> (#27):
<QUOTE> Thanks, but the day I start accepting help from someone filled with as much bitterness as you ... well, just let me proceed to the next life. :) </QUOTE>

Meeeeeoooooowww

But seriously folks, don't let a mediocre film, near impenetrable lingo and flamethrower's seal of approval stop you from checking out one of this centuries classic pieces of literature.  Besides, it might stop Jeet's ranting.
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#30 by "Rantage"
2000-08-12 02:04:08
rantage@hotmail.com http://www.steelmaelstrom.org
Oh, and for the record....I thought <I>Clockwork Orange</I> was captivating but ultimately unremarkable.  I would consider <I>Blade</I> to be much better, in the same sense that many guys would prefer a football game to watching <I>Les Miserables</I>: one may be more culturally significant, but the other is a hell of a lot more <I>fun</I>.

You want a crappy movie?  <I>Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.</I>

If you have to be under the influence of some substance to enjoy the movie, I'm going to go out on a limb and say <I>that movie sucks.</I><I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#31 by "bagofmice"
2000-08-12 02:05:05
rcastle@microsoft.com
So lets see.

<i>Bite My Ass And Call It Candy</i> <b>Jeet</b>, (our estranged uncle) spent some time talking to <quote>some damned kid</quote> and based solely upon the decision of this unformed human unit to name recent well done COMIC BOOK movies as his favorite, (perhaps the kid really likes comic book movies that don't suck), now all people under an arbitrary age (assumed to be 18) have been dominated by the <b> EVIL CORPORATIONS! </b> and somehow, by the skin of his teeth, the paternal units filial relative has escaped and has come forth ot illuminate us about this sinister plot.

Is this really an effort to bring awareness to the horrible situation that teenagers like silly teenager stuff?, or is this an attention grab by a self proclaimed <i>Get Offa My Damned Porch... <i> curmudgeon attmpting to validate to the world that he has in fact, actually grown up, and is not longer a dreaded <b>TEENAGER!</b>
#32 by "bagofmice"
2000-08-12 02:12:10
rcastle@microsoft.com
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Imagine I didn't mess up the html tags in that post.
#33 by "G-Man"
2000-08-12 02:28:49
jonmars@shiftlock.org http://www.shiftlock.org
I think that the most significant reason that old artworks aren't glorified as much as newer oeuvres, is that there is little (if any) economic benefit for the distributions companies (who currently dominate and subsidize most artistic endeavours which utilize a popular medium) to do so.

Gigabit+ ethernet access combined with ubiquitous distributed computing and ultra high density storage architectures will likely make this sort of problem go away.

The second (and in my opinion much more dificult to mitigate) most significant reason is that extra-generational art requires a lot more pre-processing and mental effort on the part of the user. People are essentially lazy. This won't change without significant bio-technology.

 - [g.man]<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#34 by "Seven Tacos"
2000-08-12 02:28:56
kurto@asgaard.usu.edu
One thing to remember, a classic film that was once admired by millions may become somewhat blase. As more and more films use the techniques, directing styles, cinematography, etc. of classic films then the originals don't stand out so much anymore. I recently watched Casablanca for the first time on DVD. Sure it was a decent movie. But it wasn't that spectacular. If something is only spectacular compared to it's contemporaries, then you have to expect people who weren't around to be wowed by it's ground breaking whatevers to be less than thrilled.

Of course those three movies aren't ones I'd put on such a list. Blade was just bad. X-Men was a mediocre blockbuster. And The Matrix was a eye- and ear-candy thriller. But really there wasn't a lot there that hasn't been done somewhere before.

And yes I'm sick of the younger generations quest for uniqueness and independance as the next guy.
#35 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-08-12 02:38:17
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
This article should be titled, "I just realized I'm getting older."

I realized I was getting older when I started saying things like, "I wish those damn kids would stop slamdancing, I'm here to listen to the music" at concerts.

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"My life is a patio of fun."<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#36 by "Dark Messiah"
2000-08-12 02:45:36
Sabre17394@aol.com http://www.opnation.com
I despise my peers...

Yes I am a teen.
#37 by "the_beanster"
2000-08-12 02:52:00
derek_m_bean@hotmail.com
I don't despise my peers, actually (I am a teen); I think many generations of teens have acted this way. There's no denying that corporations are cashing in on teenagers and sponsoring these fads, but the attitudes you are describing seem applicable to many past generations of teens; not caring about the past, not appreciating stuff, etc.

I mean, I know a lot of twenty-five year olds who don't act much more mature than teens, but I don't stereotype all twenty five year olds as such.

--the beanster
#38 by "Chris Johnson"
2000-08-12 02:55:23
Flamey:

<quote>And wasn't Duran Duran from "Duran" in Barbarella? </quote>

Nope... they got it from "Duran Duran" in Barbarella. ;)

But I have to agree with the majority of Jeet's topic.  Not to say that there isn't good things that come out lately, but a whole hell of a lot of it is utter crap in relation to some classic movies.  About the only things that are good as of late with actual, real, honest-to-goodness story as of late can only be found in art-house flicks (and no, not <i>Blair Witch</i>, that was the biggest piece of crap wrapped in celluloid I can think of since oh, I dunno... <i>Virus</i> maybe... or <i>Mom and Dad Save the World</i>... yeah, I'll watch almost anything once) or the very small amount of good, intelligent films that actually make it into wide release... <i> Usual Suspects, American Beauty, </i> things of this nature that have actual narrative, and *gasp* dialog and intelligent thought.

But I guess those went out of style sometime in between <i> Weekend at Bernie's</i> and <i> Breakin' 2:Electric Boogaloo</i>.

/me cringes
#39 by "Zarathustrian"
2000-08-12 03:01:52
tarbour@canada.com http://powered.at/stooges
Jeet, I wouldn't call you an old-timer--you're still pretty damn young!  :)<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#40 by "flamethrower"
2000-08-12 03:25:13
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#30</b> "Rantage" wrote...
<QUOTE>You want a crappy movie? <I>Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.</I> </QUOTE>

Heh, they tried to film the impossible though, F&LiLV is the great American novel the pundits are still waiting for. A depraved, glorious, work.

<QUOTE>If you have to be under the influence of some substance to enjoy the movie, I'm going to go out on a limb and say <I>that movie sucks.</I></QUOTE>

Is that screaming, electronic, gutteral ranting the blair of a Dalek?

Some movies are "by action fans, for action fans", True Lies, Terminator, Aliens, Matrix.

Some movies are "by horror fans, for horror fans", Evil Dead, Hellrasier, Phatasam, H.P.Lovecrafts FROM BEYOND (now wisely deleted, I think).

Some movies are "by intelligent people, for Smarty Man types", 2001, A Clockwork Orange.

So what if a movie is made "for bohemian types, by bohemian types"? Are we suddenly to be prevented for making moves that more sense to us than you? Cheech & Chong. Homegrown. Withnail & I.

E.X.T.E.R.M.I.N.A.T.E
E.X.T.E.R.M.I.N.A.T.E

Unclench the sphincter, dude.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#41 by "Desiato"
2000-08-12 03:37:49
desiato_hotblack@hotmail.com http://www.spew2.com/
For every young teen dumbass that loves to follow "trends", there is a quiet, introspective and sensitive person who likes computers very, very much.

To judge the world by "jocks and student council members" or what-have-you is a mistake.

Yes - I see that some teens are complete sheep, but I also believe that there are the budding geeks out there that -- like us, understand the quest for knowledge is more satisfying than trying to sneak dads beer out of the fridge. (That can wait until High School Senior/Freshman College..)

I just don't think they *all* suck, I guess..

Desiato<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#42 by "Steve Bauman"
2000-08-12 03:41:40
sbauman@adelphia.net http://homepages.together.net/~sbauman/
<b>#38</b> "Chris Johnson" wrote...
<QUOTE>
But I have to agree with the majority of Jeet's topic. Not to say that there isn't good things that come out lately, but a whole hell of a lot of it is utter crap in relation to some classic movies. </QUOTE>
And when hasn't this been the case? We tend to only remember the classics of any era, but forget the complete and utter dreck that accompanied it.

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"My life is a patio of fun."<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#43 by "BloodKnight"
2000-08-12 03:44:17
bloodknight@somethingawful.com
<b>Desiato</b> (#41):
<QUOTE>I just don't think they *all* suck, I guess.. </QUOTE>

No, just 70% of them do.  Which is sad, a lot of moronic teenagers are at my school failing (30 in english LOL) because all they do is get fucked up, drink beer, and watch homosexual females make out while drunk

And no, I am not part of them.  I am one of the 'geeks', and also one of the 'cool'.  Ahh hell I am the middle, I am known as a gamer in my school who plays both consoles/pc

<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#44 by "the_beanster"
2000-08-12 03:50:10
derek_m_bean@hotmail.com
<b>#43</b> "BloodKnight" wrote...
<QUOTE>and watch homosexual females make out while drunk

</QUOTE>

You seem to put this negatively...

kidding, kidding.

Actually, my social situation seems to be the same as yours. I'm not a geek, but I really don't hang out a lot with who is considered cool. I think they are dumb, personally.

--the beanster

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#45 by "BloodKnight"
2000-08-12 04:00:04
bloodknight@somethingawful.com
<b>the_beanster</b> (#44):
<QUOTE>Actually, my social situation seems to be the same as yours. I'm not a geek, but
I really don't hang out a lot with who is considered cool. I think they are
dumb, personally.
</QUOTE>

Welcome to my world
<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#46 by "Rantage"
2000-08-12 04:02:10
rantage@hotmail.com http://www.steelmaelstrom.org
<b>#40</b> "flamethrower" wrote...
<QUOTE>
So what if a movie is made "for bohemian types, by bohemian types"? Are we suddenly to be prevented for making moves that more sense to us than you? Cheech & Chong. Homegrown. Withnail & I.

Unclench the sphincter, dude.</QUOTE>

If there's a clenched sphincter around here, it ain't mine.

Maybe <B>Daikatana</B> is great fun for people while they're stoned.  That doesn't change the fact that it's a piece of crap, by itself.

I consider the same to be true for movies: if the director/producer/writers/actors were unable to provide me with quality entertainment <I>without</I> me bringing some of the party to the theater, then they've failed to do their job.

<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#47 by "flamethrower"
2000-08-12 04:25:09
flamey_at_evil@hotmail.com http://flamethrower.evilavatar.com
<b>#46</b> "Rantage"

<QUOTE>
Maybe <B>Daikatana</B> is great fun for people while they're stoned. That doesn't change the fact that it's a piece of crap, by itself.

I consider the same to be true for movies: if the director/producer/writers/actors were unable to provide me with quality entertainment <I>without</I> me bringing some of the party to the theater, then they've failed to do their job.
</QUOTE>

Propaganda. Pure rubbish. People who have indulged something do lot lose apprication for art, if anything it is enhanced. No one on any drug I am aware would find THAT program anything other than an infuritating unsightly poisonous stain.

They might want to play a Half Life mod, or some Tournament. Or maybe dig out a classic, like Battlezone, or Motorhead.


So you found nothing of value at F&LiLV. Perhaps when you've "been there, done that", or some mild approxmation thereof, you'll actually understand what's happening a bit better. It could be a movie you understand in 10 years. Watch it then, unless you're in the suburbs with kids (at which point it's no more relevant to your life choice than Boys Don't Cry).
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#48 by "Chris Johnson"
2000-08-12 04:25:30
Steve:

<quote>And when hasn't this been the case? We tend to only remember the classics of any era, but forget the complete and utter dreck that accompanied it. </quote>

Point taken, but even the dreck of years gone by is in many ways more entertaining.  Witness <i>This Island Earth</i> or any Roger Corman film.  I guess that's the difference, older dreck is more entertaining in hindsight than modern dreck is.

Or maybe it's just Mystery Science Theater 3000 influencing my love of the old and bad.
#49 by "Rantage"
2000-08-12 04:35:57
rantage@hotmail.com http://www.steelmaelstrom.org
<b>#47</b> "flamethrower" wrote...
<QUOTE>
So you found nothing of value at F&LiLV. Perhaps when you've "been there, done that", or some mild approxmation thereof, you'll actually understand what's happening a bit better. It could be a movie you understand in 10 years. Watch it then, unless you're in the suburbs with kids (at which point it's no more relevant to your life choice than Boys Don't Cry).
</QUOTE>

Tell me Flamey, should I become a cannibal to enjoy <B>Silence of the Lambs</B> and <B>Alive</B>?

If "being there" and "doing that" is a prerequisite for being <I>sophisticated</I> enough to enjoy certain movies, then none of us have any damn business enjoying 90% of the sci-fi movies out there.

So I say <I>bullshit</I> to that pet theory.<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
#50 by "RahvinTaka"
2000-08-12 04:43:48
donaldp@mad.scientist.com
<b>#12</b> "12xu" wrote...
<QUOTE>
Most adults are the same way...

Nobody knows who Iggy Pop is, the Velvet Underground, Charles Mingus, Albert Ayler, Charles Ives, etc...
</QUOTE>

but would they know who it was at the time ? Or would it have just been the static in which they played their life ?


<QUOTE>and literature...well let's just say Stephen King and Danielle Steele aren't purley the realm of teenagers...

Pop culture (not normally a perjorative term, though that's how I am using it here) has taken over for everyone...not just the kids...If it isn't in the public eye right not it is not important, that's America young old and in between...</QUOTE>

most "classics" die in time. Classics only become "classics" wuite a bit after the fact. There are a few exceptions but mostly thats the way of things.

I had my eyes openeda while back - I went to sit through a whole bunch of films with film/literature students. Most of the sucked - some were good but they all significantly influenced todays movies without a doubt.


Consider Taxi Driver - prolly has one of the one most repeated dialogs ever - I never had heard of it before. It was one of the ones I liked thou<I><B></B></I><I></I><I></I>
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