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So is Planetcrap dead then?
April 8th 2008, 02:18 CEST by Chunkstyle

In #planetcrap the question came up of whether the site is finally dead.  Post counts are down to the level of when the Crap started, the number of posters is way down (especially when you include Joker alts), and the level of discussion has dropped as well.

So is that it?  Have the multitude of other gaming sites and forums removed the need for the crappiest place on the web?  Will the last one to leave forever please turn off the server?
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#1 by yotsuya
2008-04-08 02:32:20
Yup, it's dying.
#2 by TreeFrog
2008-04-08 02:34:48
No fair. I only just started posting.
#3 by lwf
2008-04-08 02:35:10
So when does the wake end?

When you look at all the observations, calculations, and analysis that has gone into astrology, religion and mysticism make astrology look like an exact science. Wii.
#4 by CheesyPoof
2008-04-08 02:40:21
Not till I get to the  buffet.

Wait, the buffet after the funeral. I guess that will be in IRC.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#5 by gaggle
2008-04-08 02:48:00
I technically visit two other forums I guess, but there's too much stuff going on. I can't keep up so I just browse through the topic headlines reading a few here and there, but rarely post. It's even difficult to keep track of the threads you've posted in, damn those crappy boards and their inferior technology!

I'm not even considering quitting PC though, even if their tech was as good as blah. Our level of discourse has to drop a lot more before I begin pondering that.


IRC, on the other hand, is just too demanding in my opinion. I liken it chatting on the phone (y'know, talking with each other, I don't mean text messaging) because it's so real-time and text constantly flows past. Whereas you can leave PC for hours and days and still read up on whats been talked about.


But yes, as always the consensus is that we could use some fresh blood (of the Px flavor, we have plenty new trolls and Joker alts).

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#6 by bago
2008-04-08 03:05:50
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
It's a seasonal thing.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
#7 by Morn
2008-04-08 04:48:56
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
:(

Who runs this place?!
#8 by gaggle
2008-04-08 04:57:44
Wow!

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#9 by Fugazi(werking)
2008-04-08 05:42:34
I think there are a variety of factors at work.
1. This is not a welcoming type of place. There is no new users FAQ (although plenty of FACKYOU), no new users forum, no greet the regulars type of thing. I am not saying PC needs this-or even wants it, but most forums have this sort of thing.
2. Crappers are distrustful of new people-they think everyone is either a Joker alt or a G-man alt. Thus, new (and old) people that post here get assaulted with inside jokes and oblique references that cripple them emotionally and mentally...probably for life. Hell, I've been here for a pretty long time and I'm not sure if the regulars (am I a regular yet?) have decided that I am not an alt/jerk or whatever.
3. IRC - the website cannot compete with the real-time conversations and dialogue that go on there. I must admit, I much prefer that medium to have a conversation and it feels more "intimate". !quote is also fun. However, many 'Crappers and wannabe 'crappers cannot access IRC while at work or whatever-so they get left out.
4. We are a bunch of elitist wannabe game designers/idea men/women/trolls/alts-a toxic mix to the general populace. We want new people and new topics and posts, but we also put those same things through some kind of threshing machine whose rules of consumption are undefined and fickle. Granted, there are some real game devs and intellectuals here, but we seem too dependent upon them to contribute in order to catalyze a few posts out of the rest of us.
5. Lack of a unifying theme/focus. Most online forums center around a central genre/medium etc. This forum is apparently about gaming, but you'd never know it by the topics or the general disdain towards gaming that most of the people display here.
6. Life-our average age has increased and thus-there are far more real-life obligations that keep 'Crappers away. And if there is one thing you can say about PC-we seem to be a fertile and fruitful bunch.

Anyway, there are my vaguely coherent thoughts on the matter. ATTACK!

#10 by Ergo
2008-04-08 06:56:54
Well said. I think that #6 plays a larger part than many here realize--most of us have been posting here for many, many years. I myself started posting here regularly in 2000, and here and there before (under a different moniker). I'm 41 now (LOL OLD) and simply don't play as many games as I used to, nor am I as immersed in pop culture as I once was, so I don't post as much as I used to. Also, I find that much of what I post here these days is much snarkier (sorry, F0rmat), sometimes needlessly so.

That said, I mostly stick to IRC, as I find the discussions there more agreeable. Proceed with the flaming.

Invention is the Green Goblin of Necessary Lemonade.

--Flowers
#11 by yotsuya
2008-04-08 07:05:45
I just can't get into IRC. When I get on, it seems like there's a lot of dead time. You get on, someone says hi, someone else is engaged in a conversation with another person, and then nothing. Granted, I usually get on at night. Maybe it's better during the day.
#12 by Ergo
2008-04-08 08:12:17
Night is indeed the down time for IRC.

Invention is the Green Goblin of Necessary Lemonade.

--Flowers
#13 by McBain
2008-04-08 08:15:37
Also, IRC works best if you can leave it on in the background and read backscroll.

#14 by Ergo
2008-04-08 08:17:20
Says the guy who never reads the backscroll!

Invention is the Green Goblin of Necessary Lemonade.

--Flowers
#15 by lwf
2008-04-08 08:36:48
Despite the death of planetcrap it often seems like when a good so-and-sopile does get going I've missed it before I even a chance to jump on. I suppose that's something.

When you look at all the observations, calculations, and analysis that has gone into astrology, religion and mysticism make astrology look like an exact science. Wii.
#16 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 11:08:31
sorry, F0rmat

Accepted. But you're on probation! Sorry for my distasteful comments on your parental unit.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#17 by TreeFrog
2008-04-08 11:19:16
Group hug.
#18 by lwf
2008-04-08 11:20:59
It's only his dead mother, I'm sure there will be no hard feelings.

When you look at all the observations, calculations, and analysis that has gone into astrology, religion and mysticism make astrology look like an exact science. Wii.
#19 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 11:31:39
I for myself hate my mother, so, who knows?

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#20 by TreeFrog
2008-04-08 11:32:29
On the PC entry barrier - I I'm not sure if I'd say it was high, as there are plenty of other forums with well-established groups of posters, but the all-new-users-are-Joker issue certainly makes it unique.

Damned if there aren't a lot of memes to come to grips with, though. I've been lurking for years and I'm still glad someone maintains The List.
#21 by lwf
2008-04-08 11:41:52
I think the main problem with Planetcrap now is that we are all so very lazy. Too lazy even to post, or if we can bring ourself to post, we are too lazy to think before we post. m0nty was actually a pretty good crapper, all things considered, and he is not a lazy man, he is just too occupied with his pie in the sky internet get rich quick schemes to contribute here anymore.

This is why Dumdeedum won't make comics, why he sometimes doesn't even update his mp3otw, and it's why Shadarr hasn't updated Digital-Luddite for a couple months. It's why UAC failed and why the PC writing shit is dead now. It's too bad, because when crappers apply themselves the results are usually very enjoyable. The other problem is that we have been here so long we have basically run out of things to talk about. The gaming industry gets less and less dynamic and interesting each year, and gaming news just doesn't seem to do much for most of us anymore. And whatever happened to G-Man's lawyering blog? Something about port authority laws, it was actually pretty interesting.

This is still a good place to come and shoot the shit, read people's funny stories and anecdotes, and get answers to stupid questions you could have just googled for.

When you look at all the observations, calculations, and analysis that has gone into astrology, religion and mysticism make astrology look like an exact science. Wii.
#22 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 11:49:20
The other problem is that we have been here so long we have basically run out of things to talk about.

I think this is really a key issue. You have been recycling the same conversations for years and you already know everybody's opinion on everything, just like in a marriage.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#23 by lwf
2008-04-08 11:50:50
Even if planetcrap does die completely, I could still get a lot of enjoyment just reading old threads. Some brilliant exchanges back there.

When you look at all the observations, calculations, and analysis that has gone into astrology, religion and mysticism make astrology look like an exact science. Wii.
#24 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 11:55:43
But with 10,000,000 posts it does get a bit of a chore to reread them. Someone should make a wikipedia out of the site. (Wasn't there one, that has been linked to some time ago?)

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#25 by deadlock
2008-04-08 14:06:49
http://www.deadlocked.org/
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Repeatedly, probably. The only thing that's wrong with PlanetCrap is that there aren't enough new topics and that's because the pipeline system is fundamentally flawed. New topics don't make it out of the bin fast enough. This means that:

a) the topics are no longer topical when they do make it out of the bin or have been talked to death elsewhere.

b) there are plenty of great writers on this board, many of whom would be capable of drafting some interesting, incisive articles for discussion (Marsh, monty when he can be bothered, even G-man). But the length of time that topics languish in the bin means that any would-be writers have long since become disincentivised and just can't be arsed. I'm sure that Marsh et al. will tell me that that's not why they don't submit articles but I'm willing to bet that if the submission bin system was fixed or abandoned that they and others would feel more inclined to submit articles.

c) I've long maintained that PlanetCrap, while undoubtedly cliquey, isn't particularly newb-unfriendly; certainly no more than any other forum that I've read. Yeah, there's maybe a bit more snark but it's generally in good fun and I think that most people recognise this and don't take it seriously. I think that the biggest obstacle to newbies is that threads on the front page tend to be pretty old. Even if a newb does happen across the site and does want to participate in the conversation, they'll quickly find that the thread has digressed onto a new topic (probably several new topics, sometimes at the same time). There's no incentive to participate in a conversation that has little relation to the original thread and has probably itself started to digress into something else.

#26 by lwf
2008-04-08 14:30:19
Yeah, I can imagine it being a little daunting being a newb and looking at a topic only realise you have 27,000 posts to catch up on.

But we don't get any new visitors anyway, and the whole topic system has effectively been abandoned here. Each thread is its own organic mish-mash, and anyone is free to bring up a new "topic" in any thread.

Maybe you're right that that's not a good way to operate, but I think most regulars here are all caught up with the front page threads, and so we will all get to any new posts within a reasonable amount of time.

When you leave for awhile and come back to a few hundred posts it is true that you generally have no idea what they are about.

When you look at all the observations, calculations, and analysis that has gone into astrology, religion and mysticism make astrology look like an exact science. Wii.
#27 by gaggle
2008-04-08 14:39:31
We haven't talked about sound effects in any other threads yet, so I don't know if I quite agree with your assessment. But yeah it certainly was true, Gabe and m0rn has helped limit the severity of that issue somewhat, and I'll grant you that the repercussions of that topic crib-death period will be with us for a long time. Maybe until the end.

But fewer topics really is exactly what I like about PC. I used to like the ordinary forum board thing once upon a time, but after I got on PC I realized how little that classic system really works. You, or that is to say I, just end up with a ton of isolated rooms that aren't really worth visiting unless the headline grabs ya. PC in its current state is much more like an ongoing IRC thing, but slower paced and with post-perfect scrollback support. It's us casually chatting amongst ourselves and everyone is free to join a sub-topic or steer us towards something new and exciting.

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#28 by m0nty
2008-04-08 14:49:06
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
lwf (#21):
m0nty was


I'm not dead yet.

As for PC, I've had this discussion with mr0n many times. blah is the underlying problem. It was innovative for its time, kudos to mr0n for building it, he's a sex god etc etc, but it's a relic of a bygone era. We quickly found its flaws, and the Internet has since produced many new ways of doing it better. Due to mr0n being busy with girlies and consulting and holding chainsaws and moving to Brighton where the beaches are full of rocks, he hasn't fixed it or made something new... yet.

mr0n is capable of producing something that would totally fucking own Kevin Rose, Lowtax, the MeFi cocksmokers, the /. fucktards et al. He hasn't quite hit on the right formula that would both please you existing fuckos and attract a new bunch of fuckos and keep you all happy. Maybe you lot could make yourselves useful and think up something.
#29 by m0nty
2008-04-08 14:52:00
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Oh, and he could own Twitter as well.
#30 by McBain
2008-04-08 14:54:33
What?  I couldn't hear over the slurping noises.

#31 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 14:57:55
Solution: Unite with q3t. Make PC the off-topic section of qt3.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#32 by gaggle
2008-04-08 15:01:14
Worst. Idea. Eever.

"the accusations are such nonsense that I have found it difficult to treat them with the contempt that they deserve." - Clarke
#33 by TreeFrog
2008-04-08 15:08:26
I don't understand the popularity of Twitter. Do people really feel the necessity to spew every last fleeting thought on to a public forum? As if E/N blogging wasn't enough, you've got to do it in real time?
#34 by Morn
2008-04-08 15:08:29
morn@planetcrap.com http://hmans.net
I have a cunning plan.

Who runs this place?!
#35 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 15:08:51
Worst idea ever? Voting George W. Bush! Twice!

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#36 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 15:10:09
I have a cunning plan.

Sehr gut!

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#37 by lwf
2008-04-08 15:11:11
I fear change.

When you look at all the observations, calculations, and analysis that has gone into astrology, religion and mysticism make astrology look like an exact science. Wii.
#38 by deadlock
2008-04-08 15:12:09
http://www.deadlocked.org/
I watched Blackadder the Third last night - it was brilliant, it has aged really well.

#39 by deadlock
2008-04-08 15:12:26
http://www.deadlocked.org/
See, totally off-topic after just 38 posts, you fucks!

#40 by TreeFrog
2008-04-08 15:13:29
I wonder what our cats are doing right now.
#41 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 15:14:22
What all cats do: SUCK!

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#42 by TreeFrog
2008-04-08 15:16:19
Shut it. Cats rule.
This well-justified argument brought to you by Nescafe instant coffee.
#43 by bago
2008-04-08 15:20:13
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
Alright Baldric.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
#44 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 16:21:33
I fucking hate car grease! I'm taking out the cylinder head of a car I bought a few days ago and, man, this thing must haver never seen detergent of any kind. This is the dirtiest car I have ever laid my hands on. Everywhere I look; drease and dirt! I would like to see the previous owner of this car, or see how he lives. I'd like to also tell him that cigarette ashes go into the ashtray and are not meant to build gray mountains between the seats and the gearbox tunnel. Some people are real pigs, man.

Why did I buy a car like that in the first place? Basically, I only want the cylinder head and the tail lights, the rest will go on sale piece by piece. It's a shame, because the car's body is in better shape than that of the car I'm repairing.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#45 by TreeFrog
2008-04-08 16:27:15
So what is the cunning plan, anyway? It had better be really cunning.
#46 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 16:29:22
It involves homosexuality.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#47 by Hugin
2008-04-08 16:42:16
lmccain@nber.org
#28 by m0nty
 Maybe you lot could make yourselves useful and think up something.


I very much appreciate PC and the effort Morn and Gabe have put into it over the years, but I've never really gotten the sense that Crapper suggestions for the site made over the past 3 years or so would translate into anything happening.

"Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
#48 by FoRmaT
2008-04-08 16:43:44
True! This is a false democracy, I tell you!

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#49 by Hugin
2008-04-08 16:44:07
lmccain@nber.org
Part of this is, I don't think there's any sense of the scope of things that could be asked for, how much time/money/hardware any Crapper could ask of Morn at this point, what Morn actually wants in a web community, etc.  It's like trying to interpret the Constitution, or the texts of a religion, once the founders are largely unavailable.

"Bioshock, sadly, is no Painkiller." - BobJustBob
#50 by Jibble
2008-04-08 16:47:47
So, Morn is both Thomas Jefferson and Jesus?

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

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