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July 9th 2007, 19:55 CEST by lwf

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#1 by jjz
2007-07-09 19:55:40
Oh, I may have done that.
#2 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-09 19:55:53
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Whoever did this is in trouble.

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#3 by Ergo
2007-07-09 19:56:07
You IDIOT.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

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#4 by jjz
2007-07-09 19:56:17
I mean, I voted "no," so the fault is ultimately not mine.
#5 by Jibble
2007-07-09 19:56:37
Wait, I can't talk about Bush here? No sale.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 203 lbs.  23 to go.
#6 by Matt Perkins
2007-07-09 19:57:11
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Doesn't Bush talk fall under one of your kinks? I think you're good.

My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in

"I'm not sure it's possible to make a "subtle" jab at Matt's writing ability." - Ergo
#7 by Marsh Davies
2007-07-09 19:58:34
www.verbalchilli.com
I think we should make this the Pouzzner discussion thread.

#8 by m0nty
2007-07-09 19:58:43
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
This is what democracy looks like.
#9 by Zeke
2007-07-09 20:01:24
dragonmasterslash@cox.net http://drgnmstrslash.livejournal.com
Needs more tables and jetskis.
#10 by jjz
2007-07-09 20:02:00
Politics and sports.
#11 by Chunkstyle
2007-07-09 20:10:10
Things I don't care about:

Home decorating  My girl is painting her house, and she keeps going on and on about paint samples, and new faux finishes, and fabric for parson's chairs.  She keeps showing me 5 white swatches and asks me which I like best, followed by 3 light green ones.  Bleh.

Non-sexy women's clothing  If a woman tries on a tight clevage-showing shirt, I'm there.  A blouse that is appropriate for work that makes her look "cute", bleh.

The Playstation 3  lol huge, now slightly less too expensive.

The presidential race  Too many candidates, let me know when I'm supposed to vote for one.

Other stuff  I'm sure there is other stuff I don't care about, but I care about them so little that I can't think of them now.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#12 by Ergo
2007-07-09 20:13:02
We went kayaking this weekend, plus we bought a new washer and dryer. Exciting!

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

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#13 by Chunkstyle
2007-07-09 20:13:36
Front loading?

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#14 by Ergo
2007-07-09 20:17:52
Yep. This one. We didn't pay that much for it, though.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

DVDs
#15 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-09 20:20:38
Should this be the new blog thread then?

My wife and I went berry picking this weekend. It was fun. The raspberries were easy to pick, but the blueberries were a pain. We also picked some veggies, eggplant and peppers. Not as fun, but cool. Then we went to a winery, one that's based in NJ, and, shocker of shockers, it was good.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#16 by Chunkstyle
2007-07-09 20:23:48
Front loading washers I do care about, so they should not be in this topic.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#17 by Jamie
2007-07-09 20:32:24
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
I went to a "no kids" party with my wife's family last night and realized why I'd rather have my 3-year old daughter there than with a baby sitter: It gives me someone I have something in common with to talk to.

Also, I don't care about patio furniture.

#18 by Chunkstyle
2007-07-09 20:33:57
Are firepits included in patio furniture?  Because I like those.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#19 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-09 20:34:28
I like those too, but our complex recently banned them. Stupid complex.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#20 by Gunp01nt
2007-07-09 20:37:52
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Here is a place for all of you to talk about...


WoW

Meh.

Magic

Bleh.

LOTRO

Meh.

C+

Huh?

C#

Yay!

Visual Basic

Bweh.

Pointers

Meh.

Gardening

Blegh.

Astrology

Bluh.

MeyersBriggs

Bwuh?

Gaggle vs. Joker

Bleh.

and Jibble's kinks.

Bwaah!

And there used to be a way to stick it to the Man. It was called rock 'n roll, but guess what, oh no, the Man ruined that, too, with a little thing called MTV!
#21 by Gunp01nt
2007-07-09 20:39:16
supersimon33@hotmail.com
I mean, seriously. I voted no for this topic like last year.

And there used to be a way to stick it to the Man. It was called rock 'n roll, but guess what, oh no, the Man ruined that, too, with a little thing called MTV!
#22 by Chunkstyle
2007-07-09 20:40:20
I don't care how you voted.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#23 by Greg
2007-07-09 20:50:15
This is a topic for things that lwf doesn't care about. Hopefully he doesn't care about front-loading washers.

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#24 by Chunkstyle
2007-07-09 20:57:54
I don't care about what lwf doesn't care about.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#25 by Shadarr
2007-07-09 21:06:21
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I bought a flash kit and a flash meter for my camera, but they haven't arrived yet.  This weekend I did some caulking and painting for Habitat for Humanity.  It was much more laid back than search and rescue, they basically just send out an email and then whoever shows up on Saturday gets put to work.  There is no training and no real application process.

I also made a birthday card for my mom.  Now I need to track down a card-sized envelope, so the cheque for the balance of her mortgage doesn't fall out.

Horrible song of the nonce: Left Behind
#26 by Jamie
2007-07-09 21:13:45
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
#25 by Shadarr

I bought a flash kit and a flash meter for my camera, but they haven't arrived yet.


What kind of camera do you have? And you bought an external flash meter? I've thought about that but can't really imagine a situation where my through the lens meter isn't perfectly sufficient.

#27 by Shadarr
2007-07-09 21:24:52
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I have a Nikon F75, and one of these days I'll probably break down and buy a D80.  I want to learn to use the flash off the camera, so I need a way to measure the flash.  TTL would work fine if I bought a Nikon flash, but it's way more expensive, doesn't have a PC sync port, wouldn't give me manual control and wouldn't actually teach me anything.  The flashmeter I bought has a PC port, so you can fire the flash with the meter at the subject, and it'll give you a reading on the flash.  It'll also give an accurate reading if the flash is bounced off a wall, put through a filter or whatever, because it's just measuring the actual light level.  I don't know how smart the Nikon system is, but I'm sure there are limits.  Plus the Vivitar flash is $90 vs $300-500 for the Nikon.

Horrible song of the nonce: Left Behind
#28 by Jibble
2007-07-09 21:28:59
My wife and I went to the outlet mall in San Marcos on the way back from the weekend. I bought an Emile Henry pie dish and some skewers for the grill. We also bought a small bookcase to use as a stand next to the bed in what is now the guest bedroom.

ROCK AND ROLL!

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 203 lbs.  23 to go.
#29 by jjohnsen
2007-07-09 21:28:59
http://www.johnsenclan.com
#17 by Jamie

I went to a "no kids" party with my wife's family last night and realized why I'd rather have my 3-year old daughter there than with a baby sitter: It gives me someone I have something in common with to talk to.

Also, I don't care about patio furniture.

So, so true.  I sometimes wonder how transparent it is when I'm hauling my daughter around to talk at things like that.  Does everyone know I'm avoiding them?

My garden is going gangbusters, and I was planning on a garden-blog post this week after I take pictures.  I was planning on boring everyone in the lawyer blog thread, but maybe I'll switch to this one.  You all want to know about the very first eggplant I've successfully grown, right?

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#30 by Jibble
2007-07-09 21:30:39
Please tell me all there is to know about this eggplant. Excruciating detail, if possible.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 203 lbs.  23 to go.
#31 by Jamie
2007-07-09 21:32:02
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
Cool. Is the meter something you have to actually put in the scene when you fire the flash or do you point it at the scene and get a reading?

I went with the cheaper speedlight on my Canon Rebel Xt but it doesn't have a receiver for off the camera firing unless I hook it up via a PC synch cable (or a stupidly expensive Pocket Wizard or something). Which is on my list of camera toys to buy among many other things. I'd love to do more off-camera lighting but I think I'll splurge on a soft box or something before upgrading my speedlight or getting separate strobes. You can actually get them for under $100 if you want to take chances on eBay.

#32 by jjohnsen
2007-07-09 21:32:19
http://www.johnsenclan.com
#27 by Shadarr

I have a Nikon F75, and one of these days I'll probably break down and buy a D80.  I want to learn to use the flash off the camera, so I need a way to measure the flash.  TTL would work fine if I bought a Nikon flash, but it's way more expensive, doesn't have a PC sync port, wouldn't give me manual control and wouldn't actually teach me anything.  The flashmeter I bought has a PC port, so you can fire the flash with the meter at the subject, and it'll give you a reading on the flash.  It'll also give an accurate reading if the flash is bounced off a wall, put through a filter or whatever, because it's just measuring the actual light level.  I don't know how smart the Nikon system is, but I'm sure there are limits.  Plus the Vivitar flash is $90 vs $300-500 for the Nikon.

Oooh, the D80?  I'm seriously considering the D40 to replace the Fuji S7000(kinda DSLR) I love so much.  The only reason I'm hesitating is I don't like the thought of changing lenses every time I want to take a Macro shot or a shot far away.  Is it as much of a pain in the butt as I'm imagining it to be?  But maybe all the extra control that comes with the D40 will offset that kind of stuff.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#33 by Jamie
2007-07-09 21:32:35
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
Gah, #31 was for #27.

#34 by Gabe
2007-07-09 21:37:53
http://www.dartpublishing.com
We have a D80 and recently purchased the 18-200mm Nikkor lens for it. It should cover most all of our shot ranges without having to change out a lens. Now to learn how to use the thing...
#35 by Jamie
2007-07-09 21:44:07
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
#32 by jjohnsen

Oooh, the D80?  I'm seriously considering the D40 to replace the Fuji S7000(kinda DSLR) I love so much.  The only reason I'm hesitating is I don't like the thought of changing lenses every time I want to take a Macro shot or a shot far away.  Is it as much of a pain in the butt as I'm imagining it to be?  But maybe all the extra control that comes with the D40 will offset that kind of stuff.

jjohnson, you can't go wrong with either Nikon or Canon. Both are great, but from what I've read and seen there are more lenses and accessories available for Canons at the moment, so you have more choice when expanding your DSLR system.

And switching lenses is the burden of the SLR system, but you get a lot more flexibility. I personally have 3 lenses that cover 99% of my needs. In order of how frequently I use them:

A 28-135mm zoom w/ image stabilization
A 50mm prime (i.e., doesn't zoom)
A 70-300mm telephoto zoom w/ image stabalization

I'd like a macro, so it's also on my wish list. The 28-135mm lens covers the majority of that 99%, especially for snapshots and portraits of my family. Something in that range (as most kit lenses are) is more than enough to get you started. The 50mm f/1.4 prime is also a wonderful lens for low light (e.g., indoors) without a flash.

#36 by jjohnsen
2007-07-09 21:45:53
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Jamie, I know you do macro stuff.  How much does that type of lens cost?

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#37 by Jamie
2007-07-09 21:52:27
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
I don't actually own a real macro lens. "Real" as in it'll do 1:1 magnification without cropping. I just zoom in on stuff with a regular zoom lens and maybe crop for what I've done so far.

From what I remember decent actual macro lenses are pretty cheap, in the $200 to $300 range.

#38 by Ergo
2007-07-09 21:54:53
I'd love a digital SLR, but carrying around that large body with attached lens is a deal-breaker for me anymore. I switched to a pocket-sized camera a couple of years ago and will never go back.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

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#39 by Jamie
2007-07-09 21:56:07
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
That's why I have both. :)

#40 by Ergo
2007-07-09 21:57:35
That's why I have just one!

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

DVDs
#41 by jjohnsen
2007-07-09 21:59:46
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I have both, but I really hate the photos that come out of my pocket camera.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#42 by Marsh Davies
2007-07-09 22:01:43
www.verbalchilli.com
Ergo
I'd love a digital SLR, but carrying around that large body with attached lens is a deal-breaker for me anymore. I switched to a pocket-sized camera a couple of years ago and will never go back.

Sadly, I think this is the way I must go. I love being able to muddle around with aperture size and shutter speed and whatnot, but the size of those things isn't practical - especially when the results of nearly any pocket camera on the market will put my aging phat camera to shame.

#43 by Ergo
2007-07-09 22:02:04
I have a Canon 7.1 MP camera and its pictures are great.

You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religions. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. --Aldous Huxley

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#44 by Marsh Davies
2007-07-09 22:03:27
www.verbalchilli.com
My latest purchase is an Xtreme DS cart, with 512mb on there for homebrew goodness. Does anyone have any particular DS apps thy recommend. Is there any real practical way to turn the DS into a word-processor, for example?

#45 by Shadarr
2007-07-09 22:04:40
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I only have a 35-300mm right now, so I've never changed it.  The only thing it doesn't do is macro, which is annoying.  My old Pentax had a 50mm and a 70-200mm that did macro, and I almost never changed the lens because even for landscapes, the slightly wider angle wasn't worth the hassle.  When I get the D80 I want to get basically the exact lens I have now with macro, and that'll be all the lens I'll ever need (unless I run into some money and get a ridiculously long lens for nature photography).

The way a flashmeter works is that you measure the light before you shoot, and then you set your exposure manually.  It doesn't plug into the camera at all, unlike the Nikon system, so it's all manual.  Which will be a little cumbersome at first, but I figure it's a much better use of my time to learn how to work manual than it is to figure out how to get the Nikon system to do what I want.  I've had enough trouble learning how to use the camera itself without adding another layer of crazy Nikon interface..

In some ways I miss my old Pentax, because the interface was a lot simpler.  Of course, I've gotten some shots that I never would've before thanks to autofocus, but using the Nikon in manual mode can be very frustrating.  For example I was trying to use manual exposure settings to do some night photography, and the camera refused to take the picture.  I'd push the shutter button and nothing would happen. I had to switch to manual focus before it would respect my authoritah.

Horrible song of the nonce: Left Behind
#46 by CheesyPoof
2007-07-09 22:08:13
I don't even know what macro is.

<Hugin_len> Basically, cheesy doesn't have awful taste in music, he's simply very white.
#47 by Shadarr
2007-07-09 22:11:04
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
You know in porn when they zoom in so far you can see every pore and pimple on a woman's vagina?  That's macro.

Horrible song of the nonce: Left Behind
#48 by Jamie
2007-07-09 22:17:00
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
You can get great shots out of a point and shoot if you have plenty of light and a cooperative subject. I use mine all the time, especially when I don't want to lug my whole SLR system around. I'd never recommend a DSLR to someone who just wants to take snapshots of their kids or their vacation or party pics. But there are some reasons to put up with the cost and hassle if you want to:

1. Shooting in RAW format, which gives you stupidly high levels of control over post-processing so you can improve white balance, color, contrast, etc. Basically you can fix anything but composition, focus, and extreme over/under exposure. RAW always trumps jpg in this, and I don't think many (any?) P&S cameras shoot in RAW.

2. Getting artistic effects like shallow depth of field (i.e., where the subject is in focus, but the background/foreground are blurred) or motion blur. You can shoot in semiauto or manual mode with most P&Ss, but it requires tedious menu navigation and doesn't work as well as a good zoom lens and a SLR in aperture or shutter priority mode.

3. The ability to add more powerful and more flexible external flashes. I can point my speedlight so that it bounces the flash off walls and ceilings, which gives more flexibility on lighting and keeps the flash from overexposing the subject since it's not fired directly at it. I don't even use the flash on my P&S because it ruins almost every shot.

4. Faster zooming. The optical zoom systems on P&S cameras is slow, cludgy, and at extremes will ruin a pic. If you're trying to photograph something like an active child, sports, or wildlife, being able to zoom in and out with a quick turn of the wrist will result in a lot more good shots.

Those are the big 4, but I could go on. And on. Photography has kind of eclipsed gaming as my main hobby in the last couple of years.

#49 by Jamie
2007-07-09 22:21:33
jamie@jmadigan.net http://www.jmadigan.net
#45 by Shadarr

IThe way a flashmeter works is that you measure the light before you shoot, and then you set your exposure manually.

Oh. So like a $3 gray card. ;)

For example I was trying to use manual exposure settings to do some night photography, and the camera refused to take the picture.  I'd push the shutter button and nothing would happen. I had to switch to manual focus before it would respect my authoritah.

Yeah, I've run into this too. The autofocus system needs light to tell if it's in focus. So I do manual, then forget to switch it back and get yelled at by my wife the next time she tries to use it and can't figure out what's wrong.

#50 by G-Man
2007-07-09 22:56:39
Marsh Davies said in #44:
Is there any real practical way to turn the DS into a word-processor, for example?

Yes. There are some other more single-minded apps as well.
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