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November 20th 2006, 04:15 CET by Dumdeedum

You'll laugh, you'll gasp, you'll giggle at the joy of discovery.  This, Nintendo tells us, is how you and your culturally diverse set of friends will experience the Wii.

And that, of course, is all marketing bollocks.

Whatever the truth, good or bad, the Wii hits North America on the 19th and the Wii Experience is going to meet the PlanetCrap Experience.  Should be interesting...
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#1 by m0nty
2006-11-20 04:20:59
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PUN FWIINZY!!!
#2 by Squeaky
2006-11-20 04:22:48
Future Shop was completely sold out by noon. Of everything, games, systems, and they only had one or two accessories left.

In some ways, I'm glad I didn't buy one. 'Cause that's $300ish dollars I can put towards an hdtv.

#3 by BobJustBob
2006-11-20 04:34:26
I bought Monkey Ball, Zelda, Excite Truck, Rayman, Madden, and Red Steel. Target was all sold out of remotes and nunchuks. The system arrives tomorrow.

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#4 by Chunkstyle
2006-11-20 04:46:21
I didn't buy one.  My girl says she might get me one for Xmas, but I doubt her Wii purchasing abilities.

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#5 by eggbert
2006-11-20 06:27:45
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I got one this morning. Got in line at Circuit City about 7:30 in the morning, was number 24 out of 23 systems they were getting. Talking with the person at the front of the line, who was the Official Keeper Of The List and looked like a real vetran of these type of things, it seemed like some of the people in The List were either individual members of families who were getting only one system or had left for some reason, so I decided to stick it out, and sure enough there were two spares when they handed out the vouchers an hour later.

I severely underestimated the demand for the thing. I was originally planning on rolling up around noon-ish, or whenever I woke up, to get one from one of the many electronics establishments within 2 miles of my place. However a friend of mine went to Walmart for one of the midnight launches and called me about the line that built up there, so I decided to set my work alarm and see "if" any lines had formed in the morning. Target: 30+ camped out for 24 units, Best Buy: 60+ for 49 units, and from line hearsay Sam's: 15 for 6 units, and Sears, Hastings, EBGames x 2: lines, but no units. Judgin from all the people that approached in my one hour in line, all that and that didn't come close to quenching the demand in the suburbs.

I made off with Zelda and Tony Hawk, and got a $10 giftcard for buying both. If they had any controllers left by the time they reached me, I would have bought one set since they had a $5 off all wii accessories over $20 sale going as well.
#6 by eggbert
2006-11-20 07:29:22
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Oh, having no component cables in stores ... SUCK.

The "culture" of the line was interesting, any mention of Ebay got a very "tsk, tsk" attitude, and flat out dirty looks at the guy who came 10 minutes after me, and had apparently deployed a spy satellite network and an army of kids from his family all over the city to get consoles. A lot of parents filling out christmas lists, some with their kids in tow. Overall a fairly social, easy going group, which I found suprising though I'm not sure why.

As far as first impressions of the system itself:

--System looks good. To me it looks less like an iPod or an Apple product, and more like a part that fell off a giant anime robot. It's all panels, and slots, and ridges, and sharp 90 and 45 degree angles, and has that shiny look.

--Controller is small. I know, *everyone* says this when they see it, and I was expecting it going in, but I still thought "damn, that's short!" when I unpacked it.

--System has a lot of little touches that are nice. The little bump when you move over menu items, visual cues to tell you when you mouse over something that have a shortcut on the remote, a message that shows up in your inbox telling you what games you played that day and for how long, power button on the remote, pointer hand that tilts based on the roll axis orientation of the remote, etc.

--I spent most of my time playing Wii Sports. The games were more fun then I thought they were going to be. I enjoyed most of them, Tennis is fun, but I'm still a little mystified how they apply spin, it doesn't seem to match up with real world swings. Bowling is probably the most complete game, I always have the urge to let go of the controller at the end of the throw. For me, the homerun derby in the training mode for Baseball is more fun then the actual game, but it's still good. The cool part for me is when you get ready to swing and you waggle the remote back and forth, the character waves the bat around too mimicing your movements (you can make is clip through his head even). Golf was alright but fairly limiting, and Boxing was a lot fun for me. It takes a little while longer then the other games to get used to the controls and to be able to snap out a punch on command, but when you get it, it's ridiculous fun to pummel on somebody.

At the end of the day (which is right ... now actually), it's good fun, but more then anything it makes you think about "what if they made Virtua Tennis or Fight Night or Links or whatever the Baseball franchise is, for the Wii that expanded on these controls and added seasons and tourneys and such?". If companies get on board, and manage to use the controller in non-tard ways, this really could be a new era in sports games.

--I like the TV remote orientation a lot better then the NES remote orientation. Tony Hawk uses that, and it just feels a little off. The dpad is very small, and having one side of the remote significantly thinner on one side makes holding it a little awkward. The TV remote position feels a lot more natural.

--Two system updates already? Damn. I hope that's not a habit.

--Virtual console is pretty anemic right now, but I'm sure they'll trickle those out over time.
#7 by Penguinx
2006-11-20 07:44:18
Iam very drunk. iw ant a wii, bt I am trying to save money since i went freelance.

Woof.

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#8 by gaggle
2006-11-20 10:54:19
Hooray, the near-mythical Wii topic has arrived! Truly the end of days.

I uh.. uploaded the D3 pics I took. Yeah yeah I'm getting painfully aware of how much I oughta look into that flickr thing. And a proper camera. Just shutup already!

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#9 by Prof. Shminky
2006-11-20 12:29:13
I am the proud owner of an empty space where my Wii would have been... Instead I dusted off Halo and played that instead. By doing so I saved 200+ English Pounds.

I'll look in to getting a Wii when I can feasibly spend my disposable income rather than hoarding it away and after I've been round to have a go on a mate's machine.

I want to buy some cheeeeese!
#10 by LPMiller
2006-11-20 13:32:00
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Wii is the greatest console of all time.


Well, no, that's hype. But it's damn cool.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" — "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#11 by lwf
2006-11-20 14:10:06
I just played Zelda for 10 hours. Battling warthog riders was the most fun I had so far. Don't even have a bow yet.

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
#12 by Jibble
2006-11-20 15:10:19
I think someone at CostCo has a sense of humor. So sad.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

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#13 by CheesyPoof
2006-11-20 15:12:51
I don't get the funny.
#14 by CheesyPoof
2006-11-20 15:25:39
I went to Target yesterday at 10:00 to get some odd and ends. I was curious what the Wii situation was like and when I got there I saw remnants of a line. Inside there wasn't any display kiosk to try it out and all the hardware was sold out. The had stupid remote sleeves left, and pleanty of games.
#15 by Jibble
2006-11-20 15:47:17
Well, normally there would be a picture of a product there. The placement of an empty pallet was sort of funny/sad to me.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 198 lbs.  18 to go.
#16 by Matt Perkins
2006-11-20 15:59:28
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I'm thinking Wii for christmas, if I can get my hands on one.

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#17 by BobJustBob
2006-11-20 16:18:37
groan

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#18 by Ergo
2006-11-20 18:11:22
I'll get a Wii sometime next summer.

Drow are elves but evil. And you know they are evil because of their black skin, and because they are run by women. --Foodbunny

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#19 by Gunp01nt
2006-11-20 18:42:57
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Bob,

Nice list. Be sure to report to the Crap what Rayman and Red Steel are like. Red Steel was one of the games that had me interested in the Wii, but since it's apparently crap, I'm gonna hold off buying a Wii for a while.

Item Number Fuck on my agenda? Swoop home like a fuck-falcon and fuck my old lady like I love her.
#20 by BobJustBob
2006-11-20 18:54:14
My Wii arrived a couple of hours ago. First impressions:

Cursor is shaky in pointer mode. I turned down the sensitivity but it's still there, even when resting my wrist on something. I guess I'm just a jittery guy.

Tried Tennis, Bowling, and Baseball in Wii Sports. All three misinterpreted my movements at one time or another. You get a feel for which motions work.

Tried Excite Truck. Did the mandatory tutorial and a couple of races. Still don't have the hang of it but I'm getting better. I keep making too large of movements and it wants them to be more subtle. The controls slipped from my mind very quickly, it's just that I'm not good yet.

Tried Monkey Ball. The control works really well here. I'm getting pretty good but it's still not as precise as an analog stick. Somehow the remote got confused near the end and I had to hold the remote at an angle to stay still; it thought it was flat. Noticed an annoyance here: the remote has no start button. The Home button in the middle is like the Guide button on the 360, it pauses the game and brings up a system menu. But if you want to get to the game's pause menu, well, each game gets to pick its own button for that. On Monkey Ball you have to hold down the + button for a second or so. I had to look that up in the manual. I don't like the new Monkey Target. You get shot out of a cannon instead of rolling down a ramp, and you bounce way too far. Precision landings don't seem to be possible. Also I played three rounds but there was only one stage. Please tell me there are more.

Now on to Rayman.

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#21 by jjohnsen
2006-11-20 19:37:58
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The Home button in the middle is like the Guide button on the 360, it pauses the game and brings up a system menu. But if you want to get to the game's pause menu, well, each game gets to pick its own button for that. On Monkey Ball you have to hold down the + button for a second or so.

Oh wow is that stupid.

I got mine Sunday, I think I talked about it in another thread.  My bro-in-law went to 4 different places tht were alls old out.  I'm glad I didn't believe all the people that said you'd be able to walk in and get one.  On the bright side, both a Target and Best Buy told him they'd have more on Wednesday.

I haven't tried anything yet, just opened that package and read the manual.  I told my wife I'd have to set it up to make sure the "wifi works", maybe I'll do that tonight.  If I can get my wife involved in one of the wii Sports games I can probably talk her into letting us keep it open and just make the three games I bought the Christmas present.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#22 by jjohnsen
2006-11-20 19:39:58
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As soon as I pressed submit that whole post sounded very familier.  I'm sorry if I already posted it in another thread.

Bob, did you buy Happy Feet?  I know it's a kids game, but I thought with your unique tastes you might have picked it up.  I bought it, but I'm having a tough time finding reviews, so I may return it.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#23 by Matt Perkins
2006-11-20 19:52:19
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I told my wife I'd have to set it up to make sure the "wifi works", maybe I'll do that tonight.  If I can get my wife involved in one of the wii Sports games I can probably talk her into letting us keep it open and just make the three games I bought the Christmas present.

Must remember this trick.

"I just want to test it and see if it works..."

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#24 by jjohnsen
2006-11-20 19:54:45
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Well she remembers the problems I had getting our iBook to recognize our network, so this is plausible to her.  If I said I wanted to hook it up to see if the controls worked or the color look right it would be a no go.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#25 by Ergo
2006-11-20 20:02:20
jj--

It's a game based on a movie. It sucks.

Drow are elves but evil. And you know they are evil because of their black skin, and because they are run by women. --Foodbunny

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#26 by BobJustBob
2006-11-20 20:42:14
Nope, didn't buy it jj.

Tried Rayman. One minigame has you pumping the nunchuk and remote to simulate running. The little cord between them was flopping all over the place. Kind of annoying. Another minigame made you trace little drawings in one continuous stroke graded for accuracy under a time limit. I lost about a half dozen times. I finally beat it and I could tell that my pointer use was improving but I was still having doubts about the pointer's accuracy. Then I played a rail shooter minigame. It was great. You aim with the remote, fire using B (the trigger on the underside of the remote), and reload by shaking the nunchuk. The pointer accuracy was spot on and it was a lot of fun. I hope there are lots more of these sequences in the game.

Then I tried Red Steel. Controls take a lot of getting used to. Too early to tell how well they'll work once I'm used to them. It seems to be a recurring theme, that the controls take getting used to. I guess it's expected with a new control method. Game seems decent. Health recharges, enemies shout out the same lines too often and they don't make a lot of sense. You hold down the A button to lock onto an enemy or to zoom in a little if you're not locked on. But locking on is kind of twitchy and so you'll often get this weird thing where you're locking on to an enemy and then you'll lose the lock and so your view will start to zoom but then you'll obtain the lock again and the view will unzoom; it results in a kind of jerky view shake as you try to acquire a lock and it's too frequent. You can turn the lock-on off in the options but that seems like a poor solution.

But there's a serious problem with Red Steel. If you watched the video that came out recently, you probably noticed how the cursor would jitter every once in a while. Like it's up in the corner of the screen and then it instantly snaps to the center and then snaps back to its original location. Well it does that A LOT. I can't figure out why it's happening. I can point the remote straight at the sensor bar from directly in front of the sensor bar and hold it completely motionless and it still happens. None of the reviews that I read mentioned it. It's almost game-breaking. I'm going to have to read some forums and see if anything can be done.

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#27 by jjohnsen
2006-11-20 21:01:28
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jj--

It's a game based on a movie. It sucks.

For kids games, being based on a movie doesn't always mean bad like it does with all other movie games.  Curious George was great, and the Madagascar game was very fun, although too frustrating for a kid.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#28 by eggbert
2006-11-20 21:19:25
http://www.stuffresearch.com
Bob:

It sounds like there may be some issue with your sensor bar placement. My controller seemed a little bit jittery when I first picked it up, and you kind of expect that given your hand is in free floating space, but after a minute or so I could move it around fairly smoothly, almost mouse like. I don't have Red Steel or Monkey Ball, but I never noticed any anomalies or disconnects when using the remote, and I used it for about 3 and a half hours yesterday according to my Wii. (Heh). (I'm never going to grow up apparently). From what I've heard, the sensor bar doesn't like it if one of the edges is "blocked", so if you have it on the TV, make sure it's on the very edge of the resting surface or whatever shelf you have, even if it's not directly in line with the surface of the television. Or try putting it on that stand they give you, in order to give the bottom part a little clearance.
#29 by Jibble
2006-11-20 21:27:54
Yeah, not all movie franchise games suck. You should buy Butcher Bay for your kids! It's great!

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

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#30 by eggbert
2006-11-20 21:35:11
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What I mean by having "the edges ... blocked", since that isn't really clear the way I explained it, is that if you take the front face of the sensor bar and imagine a plane that extends that face above and below the actual bar, it doesn't like it if something intersects or cuts off that extended plane. So edge of the table, good because there's space above and below, one inch from the edge is bad because the bottom plane is cut off.
#31 by bago
2006-11-20 21:47:47
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So what level was cut between the Fenix estate and the trainyard?

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#32 by Dumdeedum
2006-11-20 21:51:32
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Har, after all the anticipation, Bob appears relatively unenthused about the Wii now that he has one.  It'll be gathering dust (along with many, many others around the world) in a month.

Which is as it should be really, the Wii isn't for hardcore gamer types, it's for families, groups of drunk friends and the incorrigibly trendy.

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#33 by Warren Marshall
2006-11-20 21:59:26
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So what level was cut between the Fenix estate and the trainyard?

"Drive"
#34 by BobJustBob
2006-11-20 22:23:29
eggbert: yeah, I tried that. I moved the sensor bar out to the far edge and also put it on the stand. Didn't help.

However, I did read the manual and found a potential issue. That Sensor Bar Sensitivity setting in the options? Apparently raising that means your remote can be used from further away. So it's not adjusting control sensitivity but rather reception sensitivty. I raised it and tried Red Steel again and the problem was still there but much less frequent. I'll perform some more experiments once I try my last two games.

Har, after all the anticipation, Bob appears relatively unenthused about the Wii now that he has one.  It'll be gathering dust (along with many, many others around the world) in a month.

Which is as it should be really, the Wii isn't for hardcore gamer types, it's for families, groups of drunk friends and the incorrigibly trendy.


3/10

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#35 by Warren Marshall
2006-11-20 22:26:03
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
3/10

Yeah, Red Steel has been getting shitty reviews everywhere...
#36 by Penguinx
2006-11-20 22:30:49
Bob: 1.5/5.

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#37 by jjohnsen
2006-11-20 22:39:47
http://www.johnsenclan.com
It sounds like there may be some issue with your sensor bar placement. My controller seemed a little bit jittery when I first picked it up, and you kind of expect that given your hand is in free floating space, but after a minute or so I could move it around fairly smoothly, almost mouse like.

Does anyone have a feel for whether it's better to have the bar above or below your television?  Should it be level with the general area you'll bbe swinging the remote, or does it matter?

Which is as it should be really, the Wii isn't for hardcore gamer types, it's for families, groups of drunk friends and the incorrigibly trendy.

Damn, I hope so.  That's exactly why I bought it because I think you're right.  If I wanted my normal gaming experience I'd have bought a 360.  I want a party/family game.

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#38 by Matt Perkins
2006-11-20 23:10:34
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Yeah, the wii will be for family...for my kids and I to play together really. The 360 is for the grownups :P

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#39 by BobJustBob
2006-11-21 00:10:00
Tried Zelda. It's a lot of fun so far. The motions are all pretty simple, pulling up to yank the fishing rod out of the water, pointing to look around or aim the slingshot, waving the remote to swing your sword or shaking the nunchuk to do a spin atack. All the actions are replicating things that could be easily be done with button presses or using another analog stick, but it does feel like it adds something to the game, as do the sounds coming out of the remote's speaker. I played for an hour and a half and I'm just now about to get out of the starting village.

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#40 by bago
2006-11-21 00:15:03
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It looked like a level was cut there. Were any more cut?

The Japanese may make all the cars, the Chinese all the clothes and the French all the, um, Frenchmen. But damn if we don't lead the world in catchphrases.
#41 by Warren Marshall
2006-11-21 00:47:02
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Not much, really.  A few level pieces got removed here and there but entire levels didn't tend to get dropped.  Too much wasted effort.
#42 by LPMiller
2006-11-21 01:08:09
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I haven't had any jitter problems at all. I have my sensor on top of the TV, which is a 45 inch Non HD, Non Widescreen, and have had no issues unless someone walks in front of the tv.

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#43 by BobJustBob
2006-11-21 04:19:02
And finally, Madden. It's too early to say. Controls seem really complex when looking at a description but in practice they're not bad. But I really wouldn't call them intuitive. I went for a simplified experience by playing a defensive tackle in Superstar mode. I really really suck. I got picked up by the Bills and I only got a single tackle in my first game. Luckily it was a fumble-producing sack in OT, followed on the next play by a 60-yard rush by our quarterback for a touchdown and the win.

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#44 by Charles
2006-11-21 05:23:26
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I played Monkey Ball and the controls in the minigames that I tried sucked so bad it was painful and frustrating to even attempt to play.  Almost every motion I did resulted in the wrong action, and on top of that, in one of the mingames (fencing), to move my guy backwards I had to flip the nunchuk completely over and have it face backwards.  Which, if you are holding it properly, makes for quite the awkward arm movement.

Videogames!  Why waste good technology on science and medicine?
#45 by BobJustBob
2006-11-21 05:43:41
Charles is right. The main game controls beautifully but some of the minigames are downright broken. Makes you wonder why none of the reviews mentioned it.

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#46 by BobJustBob
2006-11-21 05:58:41
IGN finally put up their Red Steel review and they mention that problem I'm seeing.

In addition, this is the only Wii launch game whose controls seem to occasionally glitch out for no obvious reason; one second your reticule is on-screen and everything responding and in the next it has jumped around several inches or more without an input. We tested it on multiple systems using a variety of different controllers and we even turned all the lights off in the room just to be safe, but the results were unfortunately the same.


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#47 by gaggle
2006-11-21 10:03:07
The Red Steel showcase I saw had a transparent warning flashing every second or so asking the user to step back because the remote was too close, which didn't actually go away nomatter what anyone tried *shrug*.



So I completed Gears of War. Fun game, poorly-told story towards the end. Warren, do you have any idea if there's material available (online or maybe in that collector's edition) that explains more of the background, the setting, uh.. about Jack? I get that GoW wants to have a sequel (and certainly a couple of prequels would be easy to tell) and so you guys probably want to leave things unspoiled.. but there's so little story exposition in the game I sort of assume there must be a story-bible somewhere with more information.

But yeah, the "30-second-gameplay" part of the game is very fun and polished, and the environments and settings are for the most part great. I may just play it through on insane yet, got as far as act 1 like that and it was remarkably still fun.


I'd really love to one day hear anecdotes about how some of the story progressions came about; like what the resonator was all about, or who came up with the idea of the farcical slippery-sloping down into the mines. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that.

Eh well, just shows how young an industry it is.. we have much to learn from movies yet.

The Emperor: What?... Oh, F*$K!... That wasn't even fully paid for yet!... Who's THEY?... What the hell's an Aluminum Falcon?
#48 by lwf
2006-11-21 10:22:25
There was a story in Gears? Luckily I was too busy shooting monsters to notice.

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
#49 by gaggle
2006-11-21 11:24:02
Yup, way too young.

The Emperor: What?... Oh, F*$K!... That wasn't even fully paid for yet!... Who's THEY?... What the hell's an Aluminum Falcon?
#50 by lwf
2006-11-21 11:27:08
Zelda has a great story and the main character doesn't even have any lines. Ditto Shadow of the Collosus (I think).

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
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