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October 20th 2006, 21:49 CEST by Hugin

There seem to be some actual games for the launch lineup, both full bore retail box games and some good looking downloadable/arcade type games.  

The 500 dollar model got HDMI.

The online service seems to actually exist, and even offers (arguably/potentially) some advantages over Live.

Ripoff or no, there appears to be some legitimate developer support for Sixaxis control.

Reports from people who've gotten their hands on the units have been fairly favorable (in terms of unit noise, quality of games, etc)

So, is Sony managing to slow the pace of its own self-face stabbing and bring a product to market that a sane gamer might actually want?  Are you still unconvinced?  

Has Microsoft's window of opportunity for the 360 dominating this generation begun to close?  Or will the year heads start hold up?  

And how about the Wii?  Are you still excited about the Wiimote?  Is there anying you want besides Zelda in the launch lineup?  Will Nintendo walk away with this generation while PS3 and 360 trade body blows like a couple of paunchy heavyweight boxers?

Discuss amongst yourselves! /Linda Richman handwaves
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#1 by CheesyPoof
2006-10-20 21:50:30
Hooray, a new topic!
#2 by Greg
2006-10-20 21:52:37
Yay 360.

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#3 by Chunkstyle
2006-10-20 21:55:11
$600 is too high for a game machine.  I'll buy a Wii instead.

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#4 by Gabe
2006-10-20 21:57:27
http://www.dartpublishing.com
I'm a through and through Sony whore. PSX at launch, PS2 off of ebay, my TV is a Sony, I even own a PSP. PS3 has caught my attention more for misteps than for any game I want to play.

Oh, wait, it can run Linux?
#5 by Hugin
2006-10-20 22:02:12
lmccain@nber.org
I should say, I own a 360 and like it, but the PS3 does (appear, at the moment) to have a couple of things I wish the 360 did, not related to OMG Gaming Power:

A web browser.  Long term web browsing is not really what I want to do on a console.  But my PC is not conveniently situated near my living room.  If I can do a quick check of gamefaqs or gmail, that would be nice.

Store items in real currency.  I hate translating points.  And given how often people do the conversion incorrectly (typically underestimating how much an item costs), I think points are on the skeevy side.

A generally better organized UI.  Live is pretty cool functionally, and I'm not even going to harp on it costing a fee for Gold, because I think the service is basically worth it.  But the file organization sucks, and it seems the Sony setup is better (again, according to people who've seen it, which I haven't, and goodness knows how it'll be in the real world post-launch).

Even if this just spurs MS to make a few more upgrades to Live it'll be good.
#6 by Hugin
2006-10-20 22:03:05
lmccain@nber.org
#3 by Chunkstyle

$600 is too high for a game machine.  I'll buy a Wii instead.


Chunk, do you own a 360?  I can't remember.
#7 by Chunkstyle
2006-10-20 22:04:18
Nope, not yet.  $400 is also high.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#8 by Squeaky
2006-10-20 22:04:38
There are absolutely no interesting games in the launch lineup or the forseeable future. I'll get a PS3 one day. Either the day a game comes out that I MUST have 'zomg right now' or a couple of price drops.

#9 by CheesyPoof
2006-10-20 22:11:45
Right now I cannot see myself getting a PS3. To justify that I would a) need an HDTV and b) have exclusive games to justify the $600 tag. I do not see any exclusive content for the machine that will make me want to get it. I think of all the PS2 games I played, only ICO and GT were honest system exclusives. Given  the pricing model for GT:HD for the PS3 I won't bother. The games that the Ico developers turn out, while great, are not enough for me to get a system. It's also going to be OMG huge.
#10 by Hugin
2006-10-20 22:15:20
lmccain@nber.org
I wonder if Sony will change the mix of SKUs they manufacture.  The everyone talks about the 600 dollar unit, but now that they've added HDMI to the 500 dollar unit, I think the higher end unit is hard to justify.
#11 by Matt Perkins
2006-10-20 22:15:56
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Hugin

You're crazy man. Lets go over this point by point:

- The system isn't released, everything we're talking about now is fancy talk for, I wonder the PS3 will be like when it's released.



:)


The funniest part is, even with the not unified online stuff (part of what made and makes Live great), the complete lack of systems until sometime the middle of next year or beyond and all of the PR blunders Sony has had, it will be very successful. Because jackasses don't know better. They loved their PS2 because of the exclusives (and more) and they will blindly buy the PS3. Millions of them will.

I love me some me. | "Aren't I on record as loving trannies?" - McBain
#12 by Wudi
2006-10-20 22:18:31
I am buying a Wii and a PS3.

Zep--
Xbox Free since '93!

Matt Davis: If you had kids you'd learn to tune out the screaming baby and carry on watching TV as normal.
#13 by BobJustBob
2006-10-20 22:19:01
Making the hard drive user-upgradeable is a good thing. Making the hard drive standard is a good thing. Making the cheaper model not a tard pack is a good thing. Making the online multiplayer free is a good thing.

I'm a lot more interested now than I was six months ago, but I'm still much more excited about the Wii.

"About me, around me,
spinning me, galling me,
doublenelsoning me until
before it's begun and after it's done
I'm overwhelmed by Them.
Raped. Defied. Tried.
Lynched. Staked. Despised.
Everybody gets a turn."
- Mark Z. Danielewski, Only Revolutions
#14 by Hugin
2006-10-20 22:22:30
lmccain@nber.org
#11 by Matt Perkins

You're crazy man. Lets go over this point by point:

- The system isn't released, everything we're talking about now is fancy talk for, I wonder the PS3 will be like when it's released.


Obviously we won't know anything for sure till it's actually launched, but I'm mostly reacting to the information that has finally started to come out, beginning at TGS and yesterday at the Gamers Day thing.  Press people actually have gotten some units.  People have actually played games.  System features have actually been demod, prices have been set, etc.  There's some real data now, even if it's preliminary.

As opposed to before where it was like "Online?  It'll be...uh...awesome!  We're pretty sure!"
#15 by Matt Perkins
2006-10-20 22:27:57
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Hugin

While I'm all for rational thought and listening to the peeps that have played with it... Sony has been FAR to arrogant for me to believe anything they say at this point. I'm not saying I'll never buy a PS3 or I hate Sony, but trust them? Trust that developers will be able to implement good online services on their own (see PC games for my reasoning)? Trust that the hardware is a solution to all my computer needs (I don't think I'd ever use a browser on my console)? I can't. It's silly talk.

I love me some me. | "Aren't I on record as loving trannies?" - McBain
#16 by Funkdrunk
2006-10-20 22:53:08
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Matt

It's called "Trust but verify".

I may get a PS3.  Eventually.  But not launch.  I've been getting consoles on launch since the PS2 six years ago (PS2, GBASP, PSP, DS, X360) and, at this point with me still playing games on all of the previously listed systems (excluding the GBASP which I sold), and still playing PC games, I just don't have the bandwidth for any more gaming in my life.  I am intrigued by both the PS3 and the Wii, but I just can't keep up with the Joneses anymore.

Funk.

I am sofa king.  We todd ed.
#17 by Matt Perkins
2006-10-20 22:59:20
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I call it wait and see, but I see what you're saying.

I love me some me. | "Aren't I on record as loving trannies?" - McBain
#18 by Wudi
2006-10-20 23:03:34
I highly doubt all[//b] online PS3 play will be free..or is that not what they are saying?

Zep--

Matt Davis: If you had kids you'd learn to tune out the screaming baby and carry on watching TV as normal.
#19 by Wudi
2006-10-20 23:04:06
[/urk!

Zep--

Matt Davis: If you had kids you'd learn to tune out the screaming baby and carry on watching TV as normal.
#20 by jjohnsen
2006-10-20 23:08:41
http://www.johnsenclan.com
None of the games interest me yet, if I was going to buy a console for Christmas it would be the Wii or 360, both of which have games that I want.  I sold my PS2 a year after I bought it and never missed it, this time around I'll wait until it has some must-haves, which the PS2 never did for me.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#21 by BobJustBob
2006-10-20 23:10:55
How could the PS2 not have any games you want? By my reckoning, it has at least five titles in every genre that ever existed.

"About me, around me,
spinning me, galling me,
doublenelsoning me until
before it's begun and after it's done
I'm overwhelmed by Them.
Raped. Defied. Tried.
Lynched. Staked. Despised.
Everybody gets a turn."
- Mark Z. Danielewski, Only Revolutions
#22 by jjohnsen
2006-10-20 23:18:37
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Nothing interested me after I sold it that didn't also come out on the Xbox.  Before I sold it there were a few.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#23 by BobJustBob
2006-10-20 23:19:15
You must be even pickier than Hugin.

"About me, around me,
spinning me, galling me,
doublenelsoning me until
before it's begun and after it's done
I'm overwhelmed by Them.
Raped. Defied. Tried.
Lynched. Staked. Despised.
Everybody gets a turn."
- Mark Z. Danielewski, Only Revolutions
#24 by Matt Perkins
2006-10-20 23:21:28
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
When I got my Xbox I didn't play much on the PS2 after that either. A rare exclusive title sure, but the load times were so long on all PS2 games, I just got tired of it. I'm assuming load times won't be a problem on the PS3, just like they aren't on the 360.

I love me some me. | "Aren't I on record as loving trannies?" - McBain
#25 by None-1a
2006-10-20 23:22:09
Wudi think along the lines of how pc online play works. Sure they can charge but very few will.

#11 by Matt Perkins
The funniest part is, even with the not unified online stuff (part of what made and makes Live great),


That makes no difference at all. As long as there's a single log in and a single place to buy thing the user will never know the back end isn't unified. Even the old standby of cheat prevention isn't as important any more as most major publishers have improved greatly there (plus being able to patch out exploits unlike the ps2 online system).
#26 by Greg
2006-10-20 23:32:34
Perhaps the biggest "issue" with the PS3's online component is how well it seamlessly integrates into games. The 360 handles this pretty well, with invitations and messages, etc.

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#27 by Funkdrunk
2006-10-20 23:46:18
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
By my reckoning, it has at least five titles in every genre that ever existed.


Sometimes, those 5 titles are bad.

But mostly I agree with you.  Due to the sheer volume of games for the PS2, there is bound to be something that is liked by someone, and is also exclusive.

Funk.

I am sofa king.  We todd ed.
#28 by CheesyPoof
2006-10-20 23:47:18
I think Bob is saying 5 must haves in each genre. The PS2 and PSX always has a lot of crap in each genre.
#29 by Dumdeedum
2006-10-21 00:08:24
http://www.dumdeedum.com
I reckon the PS3 is actually going to do better than people expect, although given how fashionable PS3 bashing has become, exceeding expectations shouldn't be hard.  The price will probably make initial uptake slow but it's only going to get cheaper over time and the hefty technical spec should help for the long haul - the PS2 is still selling after 6 years after all.  Whether it'll be as successful as the PS2 or not... who knows, depends on what the games are like I guess.  Oh, and they really need to hire a better case design team because the PS3 is one ugly-ass bit of kit.

The Wii on the other hand will sell really well initially, then there'll be a big backlash as people realise that the wavy arm stuff sucks, then finally it'll sell much like any other Nintendo console once everyone hooks up their gamepads and plays its gamepad-centred games.



And through it all I'll be telling you how much superior I am for sticking with my PC.

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#30 by jjohnsen
2006-10-21 00:17:24
http://www.johnsenclan.com
You must be even pickier than Hugin.

Not picky, just not easily impressed.  After GTA came to the PC, the only time I was tempted to re-purchase a PS2 was when Katamari Damacy was released.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#31 by Leslie Nassar
2006-10-21 00:25:47
http://departmentofinternets.com
i wonder how many people grousing about the price are doing it from a $3000 PC that runs WoW 12 hours a day?
#32 by Shadarr
2006-10-21 00:26:37
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I won't buy anything this year, but the first one I buy will probably be the Wii.  Its price and uniqueness make it the obvious first choice.  But like every other console, it requires at least one must-have title before I'll buy.

As far as how the generation will play out, I think that's harder to say.  MS has largely squandered their head start, however since the PS3 is having similar supply problems at launch it means they will get a second chance at Christmas with only the Wii as legitimate competition.  The wrench in that is that the PS3 will be out, even if you can't buy it, and some people may choose to wait for the PS3 rather than buy a 360 the same way the 360 punked sales of the XBox last year. I would expect the PS3 to lose ground but still be #1 worldwide, based on the 360 being nearly nonexistent in Japan and the Wii being 3rd in the west.

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#33 by Shadarr
2006-10-21 00:29:34
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i wonder how many people grousing about the price are doing it from a $3000 PC that runs WoW 12 hours a day?

I'm posting from a laptop that cost me $90.

It takes a community to abandon a child.
#34 by mgns
2006-10-21 00:57:49
I've never even picked up a 360 controller in a store. There's just nothing on there that I am terribly keen to try out. Same thing goes for the ps3. When Ueda releases something I'll get it, not a second before.

The wii on the other hand, I'm very much wanting to try. I have a feeling dum might be right about nintendo being wrong. But I still want to try it, which is more than I can say for the competition.

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#35 by Matt Perkins
2006-10-21 00:58:07
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
That makes no difference at all. As long as there's a single log in and a single place to buy thing the user will never know the back end isn't unified. Even the old standby of cheat prevention isn't as important any more as most major publishers have improved greatly there (plus being able to patch out exploits unlike the ps2 online system).

The log isn't what I'm worried about. Remember PC games? Remember how even now you the online play can be iffy? Lets multiple that by X for the number of console games and remember a lot of these console guys don't have the experience of writing their own online systems before. It ought to be interesting.

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#36 by Leslie Nassar
2006-10-21 01:14:44
http://departmentofinternets.com
I'm posting from a laptop that cost me $90.

then i shall call you... The Bargain Hunter
#37 by Warren Marshall
2006-10-21 01:16:02
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
You must be even pickier than Hugin.

It's called taste.  Throwing your money at a PS3 is pure insanity at this point.  Seriously, set the money on fire - at least you'll be entertained for 30 seconds.

Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
#38 by BobJustBob
2006-10-21 01:17:34
I was talking about his PS2 comments. Buying a PS3 at launch is insanity.

"About me, around me,
spinning me, galling me,
doublenelsoning me until
before it's begun and after it's done
I'm overwhelmed by Them.
Raped. Defied. Tried.
Lynched. Staked. Despised.
Everybody gets a turn."
- Mark Z. Danielewski, Only Revolutions
#39 by LPMiller
2006-10-21 01:36:43
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Like you'll even be able to get one. I mean, it sounds like they won't even make their production target of 400,000 at launch.

I think it's trying to do too many things, and I think it suffers from the same thinking that hurt the PSP. I don't think sony will tank or anything, but I think they've blown the #1 spot, at least outside of japan.  They are so desperate for a standard, since they missed out on vhs and dvd, that they aren't thinking things through too well.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#40 by Greg
2006-10-21 01:39:58
Running WOW for 12 hours a day is rather cheap compared to buying 3 games a month. ;p

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#41 by None-1a
2006-10-21 01:55:23
#35 by Matt Perkins
The log isn't what I'm worried about. Remember PC games? Remember how even now you the online play can be iffy?


I fail to see how a unified verus nonunified system helps one bit with the major problems PC multiplayer has (some of which are also problems with Live).

Lets multiple that by X for the number of console games and remember a lot of these console guys don't have the experience of writing their own online systems before.


We won't be seeing online systems from every developer but systems ran by the publishers, most of which do have online systems now. Sure there is a significant number of publishers that aren't making multiplayer games but they've been rather lukewarm to the idea in general and I don't see that changeing much. When they do create the rare multiplayer game they'll simply sign deal to use someone elses network (likely sony's).
#42 by Warren Marshall
2006-10-21 02:02:37
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I was talking about his PS2 comments. Buying a PS3 at launch is insanity.

Oh OK.  Yeah, not getting a PS2 is crazy talk although, admittedly, there isn't much you can't also get on the Xbox.

Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
#43 by m0nty
2006-10-21 02:32:42
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This is what democracy looks like.
#44 by Prof. Shminky
2006-10-21 03:10:32
I assume by that you mean that democracy looks like a fucking moron in a suit.

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#45 by m0nty
2006-10-21 03:17:27
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You're going to fit right in.
#46 by Dumdeedum
2006-10-21 03:18:40
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He means rather than this topic undergoing the usual Submission Bin fermentation process, it was plucked like a hanging chad by Gabe and thrust upon us.

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#47 by jjohnsen
2006-10-21 04:09:18
http://www.johnsenclan.com
The online is supposed to be better than Live, but it sounds kind of pieced together in a weird way.  For example Resistance has a buddy list, but you can only see other people that are playing Resistance.  It doesn't seem like Live at all, just individual Live's for each game, with individual publishers deciding how it works and what kidn of connectivity you have.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#48 by Funkdrunk
2006-10-21 04:17:42
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Yeah, not getting a PS2 is crazy talk although, admittedly, there isn't much you can't also get on the Xbox.


Disgaea, SMT and RPG's in general disagree with you.  There are volumes of RPGs that are only on the PS2.  

Funk.

I am sofa king.  We todd ed.
#49 by None-1a
2006-10-21 04:52:14
#47 by jjohnsen
The online is supposed to be better than Live, but it sounds kind of pieced together in a weird way.  For example Resistance has a buddy list, but you can only see other people that are playing Resistance.


Stop and think for a minute and it starts to sound kind of useful really. The main network friends list handles cross game messages while in game buddy lists only show what's related to that game. Consider it an intelligent clan filter that both lets you see every one you play any given game with but keeps people you only play one or two off the main list.
#50 by Squeaky
2006-10-21 04:59:01
So it's basically one list per game? Fuck that noise.

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