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Planetcrap: Just to keep it all in one place.
August 17th 2006, 09:30 CEST by lwf

Planetcrap is the best website on the internet, that much is a fact, but has the recent trend of crappers starting up so-called "blogs" taken away from the main planetcrap website? Most experts agree that "maybe."

Not that anybody pays any attention to the things I say, but I can't but feel a little hypocritical in writing this topic, since whenever anybody complains about the state of PC I am the first to tell that person to "stfu, planetcrap is the greatest." Lately, though, I am beginning to feel like the decay of planetcrap is not just another Jokeresque conspiracy theory.

Analysts have observed a trend at planetcrap over the past few years. Topics have become much less frequent, partly due to voter apathy but mainly due to a submission bin that has been as barren as an old hag. Many regulars have abandoned the site, citing family, friends, work, and WoW as the cause. Nevertheless there remains a core group of seemingly die-hard crappers who refuse to walk away and let this site, not unlike PC gaming, die an honourable death.

Speaking from my own point of view, I truly love the culture of planetcrap. Planetcrap is good people. I try to think about what life would be like without planetcrap and all is gray and empty. Perhaps what we're experiencing is just the natural aging process of an internet community, or perhaps it is something much more sinister, yet preventable.

I'm referring of course, to blogs. Many prominent crappers have starting "blogging". Crapper blogs are the thermite that will eventually bring down PC. At first it was just a trickle, but now it seems like every signature links to some kind of off-site content by the poster. It's difficult to pinpoint where exactly this started. Caryn has been blogging for years, Bailey and Ashiran combined for some ill-fated project, and then there was the venerable UAC. Now we're at the point where Px, Shadarr, m0nty, Caryn, Perkins, jjohnsen, jibble, and many more who I am too lazy to link, are all blogging to some extent. In many cases it is innocuous enough, planetcrap doesn't have any img tags, so people like Marsh and Penguin are justified in their off-site operations.

Of course most people wouldn't want anybody (friends, family, co-workers) to come and read their comments at planetcrap. Because it would too much work sifting for who they're interested in, and also due to the occasional discussion of flapping wind-ravaged vaginas and the like. Planetcrap can be hard to keep up with. As far as I know, there are no relatives on planetcrap. So it is easy to understand why people want a place of their own where they can post their comments and have non-crappers read them.

What is perhaps disconcerting is the thought that, with all this effort put into their blogs, our discussions here at planetcrap are suffering. Planetcrap is the place where you know you'll get read, or at the very least scrollwheeled, by a diverse group of mostly interesting and intelligent people. I am not saying that planetcrap shouldn't blog, but I like having it all, as they say, in one place. All the crappers, I mean. I think that discussion is better than blogging, but maybe that's just my preference. I was considering the suggestion that maybe planetcrap users could merge their blogs with planetcrap proper, but I don't think that would work any more than would merging IRC with the front page. Maybe what is needed is a Planetcrap based reality TV show.

People used to [blog]blog[/blog] inside of planetcrap posts, and there was much complaining. But now that so much of the blogging has moved off-site, doesn't anybody else miss it? Planetcrap has obviously degenerated into the ultimate in off-topic and current events discussion, but who is to blame? PC gaming for dying? The Sports Thread? Jibble? Or is it just an unwillingness on the part of some people to contribute, for whatever reason. I don't feel like I contribute personally very much to the discussion here, except rarely. But I appreciate those who do, even the fukkan morans. When there are no new posts I read old posts, and it becomes more and more the depressing the further back I go. Nevertheless planetcrap holds a special place in all of our hearts. It is a funny place.

The problem is you, planetcrap, it's you. Every time to blog off-site, morn weeps.
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#1 by deadlock
2006-08-17 09:57:41
http://www.deadlocked.org/
I just want to apologise to our Dutch readers on behalf of my nation for the absolutely woeful quality of football that was played in Landsdowne Road last night.

#2 by Gunp01nt
2006-08-17 10:00:05
supersimon33@hotmail.com
No need to apologize, we weren't expecting much resistance anyway.

Oh snap! 4-0 win for Holland!

If lusting after Alyson Hannigan is wrong, fuck being right.  Fuck it in the ear.
 - Warren Marshall
#3 by Gunp01nt
2006-08-17 10:02:05
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Ontopic: people could very well be turning to their own blogs for certain posts/observations/discussions (especially game related) since there seems to be no place for them on the Crap. I can't count the times I tried to spark up some sort of substantial discussion only to see it fizzle out in an ongoing culinary debate.

If lusting after Alyson Hannigan is wrong, fuck being right.  Fuck it in the ear.
 - Warren Marshall
#4 by Gunp01nt
2006-08-17 10:03:08
supersimon33@hotmail.com
I should probably put some blog software up on my site so I could write stuff there. Need. To. Find. The. Time.

If lusting after Alyson Hannigan is wrong, fuck being right.  Fuck it in the ear.
 - Warren Marshall
#5 by gaggle
2006-08-17 10:07:08
Oh yeah, the topic, we have those. If I have any plans to blog it's to catalogue some of the posts I make here, I can't see going to my blog to write about something. A blog's not an everybody's-equal discussion grounds.

#6 by Shadarr
2006-08-17 10:09:19
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
My blog doesn't get in the way of my PC posting.  As evidenced by how infrequently I update my blog.

I am not part of the solution.
#7 by Gunp01nt
2006-08-17 10:09:30
supersimon33@hotmail.com
A blog's not an everybody's-equal discussion grounds.


I dunno about that. If you make sure not to leave your territorial markings all over the place and have an open and usable reply/discussion function, there's basically not much difference between a blog and Planetcrap. Only with more supervision.

If lusting after Alyson Hannigan is wrong, fuck being right.  Fuck it in the ear.
 - Warren Marshall
#8 by deadlock
2006-08-17 10:11:33
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Planetcrap has been at the posting level that it's currently at for a long time now and you have to bear in mind that to a certain extent blogging is a relatively new activity among our regular posters. There was traditionally something of an elitist, snobby attitude towards bloggers and the notion that someone might actually want to read your inane ramblings.

I think the 'demise' of Planetcrap (again, the posting level has been consistent for a couple of years now so I don't think the site is dying, exactly - stagnant, maybe, although it's still a great daily read for me) is partially due to its format, partially due to its cliquey nature (most of the regulars have been regular posters for years now and we've developed an outwardly brusque culture that can be hard to penetrate for new readers) and partially due to the fact that it no longer features what it was once reknowned for - lots of game devs speaking candidly about their work and gaming in general - at least, not to the same extent.

Also, there are far too many discussions about how Planetcrap isn't really dying, it just looks that way.

#9 by deadlock
2006-08-17 10:12:48
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Holy run-on sentences Batman!

#10 by Shadarr
2006-08-17 10:14:02
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
If you make sure not to leave your territorial markings all over the place and have an open and usable reply/discussion function, there's basically not much difference between a blog and Planetcrap.

PlanetCrap is the comments section of my blog.

I am not part of the solution.
#11 by gaggle
2006-08-17 10:15:57
I don't mean to say it's impossible to discuss on a blog, but I don't think it offers an equal experience. Other people can't post like you do, they'll always appear below your mighty shiny post at the top. You set all the rules and the topics, and.. and Planetcrap doesn't. I think this is a better place to reach a bunch of people with a varied amount of topics *shrug*.

But I'm probably just oldfashioned and stodgy in that way. I do like blogs for articles, opinions and information, but I wouldn't want to post back and forth on one.

#12 by Ashiran
2006-08-17 10:17:09
There was traditionally something of an elitist, snobby attitude towards bloggers and the notion that someone might actually want to read your inane ramblings.

I'm still having that snobby attitude. The only thing that has changed is my opinion about the reason why people read blogs.

This will not be the end of it.
#13 by Shadarr
2006-08-17 10:18:28
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Why do people read blogs?

I am not part of the solution.
#14 by Gunp01nt
2006-08-17 10:27:58
supersimon33@hotmail.com
gaggsy:
Other people can't post like you do, they'll always appear below your mighty shiny post at the top. You set all the rules and the topics, and.. and Planetcrap doesn't. I think this is a better place to reach a bunch of people with a varied amount of topics *shrug*.


But that's where the territorial marking comment comes in. If you don't really make and label it as your blog, but instead just offer some thoughts for discussion (and possibly allow other people to submit topics?) then it's less of a dictatorship.

People that reply to a news post on Slashdot didn't write that thing themselves and they have no say in what news gets posted, but that doesn't hinder discussion. Not that it's very high quality discussion.


I've always wondered how Planetcrap managed to get so many literate posters compared to 99% of the other internet forums. We don't get any kids that just post "lol i thing game desing is nesecary cuz i wanna b a gmae d-siner im gonna make the nxt doom youll see" and mean it. Especially in the old days we had a lot of intelligent, informed posters and only a few idiots (including myself).

Of course, Morn and most PC posters were in the more intelligent circles of game journalism so PC attracted people with something interesting to say.
But what do you do when you do get the AOL kids on your blog/discussion site? Ban them? Or would that be too dictatorish and a death blow to discussion on your blog/board?

If lusting after Alyson Hannigan is wrong, fuck being right.  Fuck it in the ear.
 - Warren Marshall
#15 by bago
2006-08-17 10:29:04
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
OMG!OMG!OMG! I got my 360 back! It's rocks in HD again! THE DEAD SHALL RISE!

We need to keep our arms open, our head up, smiles big and our middle fingers raised.
#16 by Gunp01nt
2006-08-17 10:32:49
supersimon33@hotmail.com
..and suck, from what I hear.

If lusting after Alyson Hannigan is wrong, fuck being right.  Fuck it in the ear.
 - Warren Marshall
#17 by gaggle
2006-08-17 10:51:10
Good points. Do you think of Slashdot as a blog? I ah.. guess I don't. When I talk about blogs I mean something more diary-like, personal opinions and observations for others to comment on. Maybe that's too narrow? The dictionary seems to agree with me, but that's hardly an end-all argument.

Banning/forced registration to get the cliental you desire is obviously one way of going about your business, but yeah it turns me off. That's how QT3 and such works right? They have grown-up discussions as I understand it (or is that giving them too much credit? Literate discussions then?) There's a couple other forums I know of aren't overwrought with youngin's, but none of them have anything like Planetcrap's freespirited no-ban approch. This is the only place I know of where anything goes without being either Big Brothery or SomethingAwful-like.

We have a very limited number of active posters now, how different was in the days of yore? In my momentary look-throughs of the PC archives I was never struck by an overflow of posters. More than now perhaps, but we haven't lost entire legions right? With fewer people to keep track of the relationships that grows are more personal, and thus the cycle goes on. The success of any forum could lie in being so obscure and indie that only a few people find it?


Any lurkers out there wanting a say in why you don't post more often? Probably time-related "can't keep up with topics" eh?

#18 by gaggle
2006-08-17 10:53:38
(success defined by how Planetcrap-like it is)

#19 by Gunp01nt
2006-08-17 10:58:44
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Do you think of Slashdot as a blog? I ah.. guess I don't.


The word blog is pretty broadly used. There are sites with multiple people posting news and stuff, that call themselves blogs.

I guess if you want your blog to be discussion-heavy, it's going to end up being a lot like Slashdot. Not in regards to design or content, but in functionality.

If lusting after Alyson Hannigan is wrong, fuck being right.  Fuck it in the ear.
 - Warren Marshall
#20 by LPMiller
2006-08-17 13:24:10
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
dead rising doesnt' suck, but the save system sorta does.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#21 by Jibble
2006-08-17 14:47:03
For my comments on this subject, see my blog.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

Blog. 210 lbs.  30 to go.
#22 by jjohnsen
2006-08-17 16:22:29
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Just in time.  As I switch over to Wordpress for my site, get ready for plenty of questions.  And now I'll even be partly on topic.

I don't think my blog detracts from PC postings in any way.  I don't discuss anything meaningful, it's mostly used to show of pictures of my kids and to describe funny things the've done.  I'm posting for my family, and I something happens that I think PC'er will laugh at or be interested in, I post it here.

Now for the first Wordpress question.  You can import blgs from other sites when you start up Wordpress, so I tried that out.  I imported my front page with it's 8 most recent posts.  But for some reason along teh way it changed all the links so they don't point ot the right place.  For example, look at the top post on my original page here.  The link points to my general movie page.  Now look at that same post on the Wordpress created page here.  It took out a portion of the link and points nowhere now.  Any hints?  I've tried the Wordpress help site, but because of the program I used to create my first site (Apple's iWeb), there doesn't seem to be any hel out there.  Is this possible, or should I just add a lik saying for posts older than 8/14/06 go to the iWeb site.

Also, anybody have any good plug-ins for Wordpress they'dlike to recommend?  There are thousands to choose from, so I'd rather hear from people I know.  I'm most interested in plug-ins that let me easily ad photos to my site since I'm sticking to the photoblog format for now.  But I'm interested in any cool plug-ins.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#23 by Penguinx
2006-08-17 16:24:48
Askimet, a spam blocker and WordPress Shortstat. Both golden.

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Marsh ... 2
Warren ... 1.25(++)
Anonymous ... 1
Gaggle ... 1
Jibble ... 1
Shadarr ... 1
YF ... 1
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OH SHIT TWO WAY TIE
#24 by McBain
2006-08-17 16:32:07
Two old ladies were outside their nursing home, having a smoke when it started to rain. One of the ladies pulled out a condom, cut off the end, put it over her cigarette and continued smoking.
  
  Lady 1: What's that?
  Lady 2: A condom. This way my cigarette doesn't get wet.
  Lady 1: Where did you get it?
  Lady 2: You can get them at any drugstore.
  
  The next day ... Lady 1 hobbles herself into the local drugstore and announces to the pharmacist that she wants a box of condoms. The guy looks at her kind of strangely (she is, after all, over 80 years of age), but politely asks what brand she prefers.
  
  Lady 1: It doesn't matter as long as it fits a Camel.

#25 by Gunp01nt
2006-08-17 20:23:50
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Phantom console no longer in Infinium Labs product lineup

Gee, who would've thought?

If lusting after Alyson Hannigan is wrong, fuck being right.  Fuck it in the ear.
 - Warren Marshall
#26 by Shadarr
2006-08-17 20:27:12
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Whenever I hear about the Phantom, I feel like I'm wasting my life working for the man, and should instead be raking in millions from clueless investors who don't do even a shred of due diligence.

I am not part of the solution.
#27 by Hugin
2006-08-17 20:44:27
lmccain@nber.org
The 360 is the Phantom.  It's quite funny really.
#28 by CheesyPoof
2006-08-17 20:44:55
Shadarr, I'll give you a $100 to pursue that dream. Can I see your business plan?
#29 by Chunkstyle
2006-08-17 20:46:42
1. Collect investor money
2. ???
3. Profit!

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#30 by Hugin
2006-08-17 20:50:09
lmccain@nber.org
1. Work up some slick looking renders of the hardware.
2. Collect investor money.
3. Profit!
4. Wreck your sportscar.
#31 by McBain
2006-08-17 20:51:40
LOL

#32 by Greg
2006-08-17 22:01:26
Wasn't Gizmondo or whatever an actual product though?

こんにちは
#33 by Squeaky
2006-08-17 22:17:42
Sort of. There were prototype units sent to reviewers, and they were fairly close to actually launching a product.

#34 by Greg
2006-08-17 23:18:20
Hmm, according to Wikipedia the Gizmondo actually did see light of day in stores.

こんにちは
#35 by Dumdeedum
2006-08-18 00:08:18
http://www.dumdeedum.com
JJ
But for some reason along teh way it changed all the links so they don't point ot the right place.  For example, look at the top post on my original page here.  The link points to my general movie page.  Now look at that same post on the Wordpress created page here.  It took out a portion of the link and points nowhere now.  Any hints?

There's not really much you can do other than go back and edit the broken links by hand.  I think the problem is your original page was /johnsenclan/Home/Home.html and your link was ../Movies.html which would ultimately point to /johnsenclan/Movies.html, sadly it looks like the Wordpress importer has converted the link as if it originated from where Wordpress is installed (/wordpress/) and not where the old blog was so it's rewritten it to point to /Movies.html.

It's actually a bit odd, initially I thought the importer script had just ignored relative links and accepted they'd break in their new location, which would be the easy way of doing things and how I'd do it.  However when you look at the source for the new site you'll see the link is now an absolute one (http://blah blah) so it has indeed been meddled with, just meddled with wrongly.  Therefore there's three possibilities, 1) the link hasn't been touched and Wordpress is coded to automatically expand relative links on the fly, 2) when running the importer it asked you for the old location and you typed in the new one by mistake or 3) the importer script is broken.

Short version: you've only got a dozen or so posts so fix it manually, you wuss!

#36 by Ng Yo
2006-08-18 09:26:29
i am locked in a great battle weather to get a new e6700 system..
it matters not but i suffer from depression.

anonymous - if I knew for sure you were the legendary Ng Yo, I would gladly answer you.
#37 by gaggle
2006-08-18 09:55:57
Your avatar is pretty, you should obviously get it.

#38 by Leslie Nassar
2006-08-18 11:49:44
http://departmentofinternets.com
is it a tropical depression?
#39 by jjohnsen
2006-08-18 16:18:42
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Short version: you've only got a dozen or so posts so fix it manually, you wuss!

That's the front page, there are actually 52 total.  Oh, well I'll fix thm this weekend.  I pointed to the right location, but it could have screwed up in the importer, iWeb adds some funky stuff to the RSS so that might have done it.  Anyway, thanks for the help.  

Another question.  Eventually I'm going to change it so instead of johnsenclan.com/wordpress, my Wordpress stuff is just at johnsenclan.com.  Is it pretty easy to move it around, or should I just take down the site and make it that way from the beginning?

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#40 by gaggle
2006-08-18 16:20:18
There are guides for moving Wordpress. It's like two or three steps that has to be done in a certain order, nothing complicated at all.

#41 by gaggle
2006-08-18 16:20:54
I meant, there are guide blah blah blaaaaaah.

#42 by jjohnsen
2006-08-18 16:48:55
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Sweet thanks.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP       Johnsen Family
#43 by lwf
2006-08-18 23:06:45
Not even the spiders are browsing PC anymore. 13 online users! The end is nigh!

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
#44 by BobJustBob
2006-08-18 23:51:14
Whoa.

"That probably entirely useless path, that probably lost day, that probably futile hope. What's the point of it all?" - Franz Kafka, The Castle
#45 by Shadarr
2006-08-19 00:05:03
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Well, I'm off to blog about the demise of PC.  Back in a bit.

I am not part of the solution.
#46 by Penguinx
2006-08-19 01:18:57
I have to put together a concept art portfolio by Monday, so I'm in super crunch mode. I managed to put together these three concepts in the last two days, after work. I'm aiming for "could be seen in any old sci-fi game as of late" for the theme. I would definitely rather be working from a brief.

Let me know what you think here or on my blog; any feedback is appreciated.

http://penguinx.org/illustrations/imageConcept001.png
http://penguinx.org/illustrations/imageConcept002.png
http://penguinx.org/illustrations/concept2.png
http://penguinx.org/illustrations/imageConcept003.png

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Marsh ... 2
Warren ... 1.25(++)
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YF ... 1
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OH SHIT [double bold] THREE [/double bold] WAY TIE
#47 by lwf
2006-08-19 01:21:42
They're all great! Except they aren't loading.

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
#48 by Penguinx
2006-08-19 01:26:03
They all exist. I would reinstall DirectX.

SKETCHBLOG.
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PX AIN'T GOT NO SPEAKERS POINTS
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Gaggle ... 2
Marsh ... 2
Warren ... 1.25(++)
Anonymous ... 1
Jibble ... 1
Shadarr ... 1
YF ... 1
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OH SHIT [double bold] THREE [/double bold] WAY TIE
#49 by Shadarr
2006-08-19 01:31:39
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
The chick's tits look weird in the one where she's not naked.  It's like their being pulled up and out, toward her shoulder.  They look fine in the naked one though.

Also, I don't like the knives on the demon guy.  The blades look too wide.  Besides which, what's the point of having hunting knives randomly sticking out of your armour?  You can't kill anyone with them.  Now, if they were circular saw blades....

I am not part of the solution.
#50 by lwf
2006-08-19 01:38:48
Tried accessing from 2 different computers now. Your illustrations are STUPID.

Today Officer Coon, Officer Nigger-hater, and Officer Keep-darky-down were acquitted of all racist charges.
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