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TES4: Oblivion
March 22nd 2006, 04:53 CET by Dumdeedum

It's hard to know whether hooking up with Oblivion is a good idea or not.  I mean after we finally walked out on Morrowind because it was beating on us you'd think we'd stay away from those hewn from the same polygon, but maybe we're just suckers for potentially abusive relationships.  Still, it was a very attractive polygon and it did do a lot of things right, so we owe it to ourselves to try it out... but let's hold onto that kitchen knife just in case.
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#1 by jjz
2006-03-22 04:56:06
I jump a lot.
#2 by Penguinx
2006-03-22 05:01:28
I lot a jump.

#3 by LPMiller
2006-03-22 05:02:28
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Lot jump a I.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#4 by Penguinx
2006-03-22 05:04:37
A jump I lot.

#5 by yotsuya
2006-03-22 05:05:34
I'm gonna check Obilvion out this week.

"It's only make-believe until it becomes flim-flam."
#6 by Squeaky
2006-03-22 05:05:36
Jump a lot I.

Aeternum vale
#7 by yotsuya
2006-03-22 05:05:49
DENIED!

"It's only make-believe until it becomes flim-flam."
#8 by Squeaky
2006-03-22 05:06:03
I almost bought it today. But EB doesn't sell to people that don't preorder. So I'm not gonna buy it.

Aeternum vale
#9 by Penguinx
2006-03-22 05:06:10
Lot jump I, a?

#10 by Child Molesting Faggot
2006-03-22 05:06:58
10th

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#11 by CheesyPoof
2006-03-22 05:07:31
I almost bought it today. But EB doesn't sell to people that don't preorder. So I'm not gonna buy it.

Yea, that's the first time anyone heard of EB selling only pre-orders. Never heard of that before.

Dumbass.
#12 by yotsuya
2006-03-22 05:09:01
You gonna let him talk to you like that, Squeak?

"It's only make-believe until it becomes flim-flam."
#13 by UncleJeet
2006-03-22 05:36:37
Played about five hours and some change now, I think. Rocks. Totally rocks. The arena is a fucking blast, too. The one-on-one combat there reminds me a lot of Riddick, except with a lot more options and strategy.

Accipere quam facere praestat injuriam...
#14 by UncleJeet
2006-03-22 05:39:27
Unfortunately, the wife got wind that the CoD2 Live patch came out today, so between that and GRAW, I've lost the living room for at least the next hour. Ah well, I'll spend that quality time with the nice book o' mythology that came with Oblivion. Yay!

Accipere quam facere praestat injuriam...
#15 by Dinglehoffen
2006-03-22 06:11:37
Oblivion is Rivendell. It's the panacea for all us fucking gamers...because you're all in the shit sandwich of life and you have to eat it every damn day.

Gregor Samsa woke to find himself changed into a monstrous vermin.
#16 by Squeaky
2006-03-22 06:12:02
Yea, that's the first time anyone heard of EB selling only pre-orders. Never heard of that before.

I was at a different EB than the one I normally go to. The one out by me usually brings in lots of extra copies for non-preorders. They had like 100 extra copies of San Andreas when it first came out, same with Halo 2 and just about every other big-budget title. The only time I ever pre-order these days is for something obscure like the SMT games.

Aeternum vale
#17 by Squeaky
2006-03-22 06:13:58
But that's not why I'm not gonna buy it. I was watching the video of Greg Kasavin playing/commentating on the game last night, and aside from being very pretty, it looked like it played exactly like Morrowind. And Morrowind gave me herpes.

Aeternum vale
#18 by yotsuya
2006-03-22 06:31:53
Wow. I love Wikipedia. I've just spent the past hour reading about the Russian Space Program. Where were you when I was in high school, Internet?

"It's only make-believe until it becomes flim-flam."
#19 by lwf
2006-03-22 06:37:35
Meanwhile, I spent all of high school on the internet, and now I'm addicted to pornography.

Somethin' no good, or worse.
#20 by yotsuya
2006-03-22 06:45:20
I'm particularly fascinated by the Lost Cosmonauts and the story of Soyuz 1.

"It's only make-believe until it becomes flim-flam."
#21 by McBain
2006-03-22 07:02:20
WoW 4 lyf yo.

Kid: Because you went to the bathroom on mommy's dishes?
Willie: What the fuck? No!
#22 by Ergo
2006-03-22 07:03:53
I'm level 35 in WoW now, as much as I hate to admit it.

Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.
DVDs
#23 by lwf
2006-03-22 07:06:43
Never played a minute of WoW.

Somethin' no good, or worse.
#24 by Shadarr
2006-03-22 07:11:45
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Me neither.  I have co-workers who play, though, so I get to hear about the amusing ways people grief each other, as well as the occasional video and sound file.  This week we've been enjoying the drill-sergeant stylings of some foreign guy who threatens to kick people out of the guild for standing in the wrong place.
#25 by Squeaky
2006-03-22 07:32:25
My WoW account expired. I'm not gonna reactivate until school's done.

Aeternum vale
#26 by Greg
2006-03-22 08:31:57
I'm probably going to cancel WoW.

こんにちは
#27 by Ashiran
2006-03-22 09:12:28
I'm going to hit 60 on my third character in a couple of months. ^_^

But on the subject of buying games, did anyone here get Galactic Civilizations 2?

Nihil nequit.
#28 by Funkdrunk
2006-03-22 11:06:37
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
The facial customization capability in Oblivion is amazing.

Funk.

I am sofa king.  We todd ed.
#29 by Dumdeedum
2006-03-22 11:57:24
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Does the armour look any better than it did in Morrowind?  I'm almost entirely unconcerned about appearance in real life but when it comes to games that let you choose your appearance I'm incredibly picky (I've spent hours and hours mixing and matching outfits in San Andreas to find the few perfect combos) and I never did find any armour/clothes in Morrowind that did much for me.  Well until the first expansion where the Dark Brotherhood getup was pretty nifty (helmet excluded).

#30 by Dinglehoffen
2006-03-22 12:05:06
This must be a jackhammer of a week. Not only did Obvlivion make market, but the new Mudvayne album/website is released. Damn...to think I was an educator for fifteen years..what the hell was I thinking? Reward the conforming, popular tits our "sterling scholar" label? Fuck. Genius is born. Out of millions of people, every now and then four or five geniuses are thrown together at the roll of the bones. And who is remembered? Not the idiots who excelled in high school. The ones who broke the mold - like Steinbeck, Faulkner, Fitzgerald, London (who killed himself while OD'ing on cough syrup) were the ones who defied our propiety-ridden bullshit. It kills me to think people my age are the ones who are developing games like Morrowind and Oblivion. I'm nothing. Kudos to every student who dropped out and found their own genius. Want an example? Visit http://www.mudvayne.com and listen to "Fall Into Sleep". IMHO, these peeps are the ones who should be teaching music theory...not the fags who sold their soul advertising cheap imitations of other people's genius.

Gregor Samsa woke to find himself changed into a monstrous vermin.
#31 by lwf
2006-03-22 12:12:59
I've been falling asleep to Bill Hicks the past couple of nights.

Somethin' no good, or worse.
#32 by Dinglehoffen
2006-03-22 12:15:28
Ah, Bill Hicks...Tool's favorite homage. Add him to the list.

Gregor Samsa woke to find himself changed into a monstrous vermin.
#33 by CheesyPoof
2006-03-22 12:18:05
I'm almost entirely unconcerned about appearance in real life but when it comes to games that let you choose your appearance I'm incredibly picky (I've spent hours and hours mixing and matching outfits in San Andreas to find the few perfect combos) and I never did find any armour/clothes in Morrowind that did much for me.

When did you change your icon, Hugin?
#34 by Dumdeedum
2006-03-22 12:21:13
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Oi!  I'm just being stylish, Hugin's a big ol' girl.

#35 by Warren Marshall
2006-03-22 12:29:08
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Me neither.  I have co-workers who play, though, so I get to hear about the amusing ways people grief each other, as well as the occasional video and sound file.  This week we've been enjoying the drill-sergeant stylings of some foreign guy who threatens to kick people out of the guild for standing in the wrong place.

Yeah, that guy is teh awesome.  It was even funnier once I read the glossary page that someone set up because then I could understand all the slang he was throwing around in between profanities.

Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
#36 by Matt Perkins
2006-03-22 14:19:16
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Ash:
But on the subject of buying games, did anyone here get Galactic Civilizations 2?

LOVE IT! It's a great game if you like any 4x type of games and it's better than civilization in terms of gameplay and replayability. imho.

You can see a lot of love for it over at qt3 too, if you're so inclined to read there.

"me did a sneak attack to smack the demons off my back"
#37 by m0nty
2006-03-22 15:01:11
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Matt Perkins (#36):
it's better than civilization in terms of gameplay and replayability. imho.

BLASPHEMER
#38 by Ashiran
2006-03-22 15:06:56
It's easily better then Civilization. I can spend way too much time just building ships. And the AI actually does fun stuff.

See that? I endorsed the AI in a game!

Nihil nequit.
#39 by Martin
2006-03-22 15:13:20
http://www.mocol.nu
Me neither.  I have co-workers who play, though, so I get to hear about the amusing ways people grief each other, as well as the occasional video and sound file.  This week we've been enjoying the drill-sergeant stylings of some foreign guy who threatens to kick people out of the guild for standing in the wrong place.

You can't blame the guy for running a tight ship! And using your own language makes the guild feel more like a family where only the chosen understand what you're talking about.

An inbred, hick family with 6 eyes and 38 teeth among 4 people but still - a family!

Shame without life.
#40 by LPMiller
2006-03-22 15:19:02
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
yeah, GavCivII is decent, but the last 3 levels of the campaign are seriously lame.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#41 by Hugin
2006-03-22 15:57:35
lmccain@nber.org
#33 by CheesyPoof

When did you change your icon, Hugin?


Now see, that's a good accurate attribution.


#34 by Dumdeedum

Oi!  I'm just being stylish, Hugin's a big ol' girl.


*running home, hugging my homemade prom dress to my face, crying*


GalCiv2 is great. Also no Safedisc/Starforce/Guatemalan Death Squad.  Also requires no CD be in the drive to play.  Also can be loaded on to multiple machines (say, work and home, or home and laptop, or personal and spouse).  Also can be downloaded without leaving one's chair.  In short, Stardock rocks.

#40 by LPMiller

yeah, GavCivII is decent, but the last 3 levels of the campaign are seriously lame.



I took one look at the first campaign missions, went "pfft", and dove into the great custom games, and never looked back.



Finally:  I've gotten completely sucked into Eve Online. *shakes a fist at Charles*
It's basically Freelancer, with 99 percent of what was irritating about Freelancer fixed, plus..well, more stuff than Freelancer had.

Pros:  

Pretty graphics

Fun combat

An XP/skill system that makes it very difficult for catassers to get insumountably ahead.

Lots of depth and character customization (as far as abilites go)

As far as I can tell, a friendly, articulate player community.
Free 14 day trial, requiring no credit card.

Cons:

Game can feel a bit lonely.  The chat channels are lively enough, but space is big.  

The starting tutorial is pretty well designed, but it's long.  Looong.  It took me two nights of play to finish it.  The upside is, the tutorial leads you through enough activities that you can afford your first new ship when it's over, and you really want that new ship, because the newbie ship is wimpy.

You will spend a lot of time traveling.  Now, that's not quite as bad as it sounds (you're constantly gaining XP as you do it, and the game's automated systems are well enough designed that you can set a course and then go to the bathroom or grab a sandwich or surf the web or set up your sales in the market or chat or whatever, and the game doesn't do stupid stuff when you alt-tab out of it), but it takes getting used to.  Space is big.

Right now me, Charles, Squeaky, Bishop, and Monty are playing.  Folks should check it out.
#42 by Warren Marshall
2006-03-22 16:14:36
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Right now me, Charles, Squeaky, Bishop, and Monty are playing.  Folks should check it out.

Sorry, I can't hear you, I've got Oblivion in my ears.

Jesus Christ, that is unbelievably retarded! - lwf
#43 by Caryn
2006-03-22 16:20:44
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Wow. I love Wikipedia. I've just spent the past hour reading about the Russian Space Program. Where were you when I was in high school, Internet?

Agreed, yot. Wikipedia is one of those things that, to me, really defines what the Internet is supposed to be. (Cue G-Man jumping in about how I don't know what I'm talking about, with a million links to other things.)

Regarding WoW, my Night Elf Druid got to 50 last week. But I'm finding myself less enamoured with the game. Not that it's boring or anything...I can't quite put my finger on it. There are still places I haven't seen yet, and that's something I look forward to. There are still cool armor pieces I don't have that I want, and that's something I look forward to. But somehow I feel no impetus to really drive my character to 60. I listen to what the end-game raid content is and I'm not interested in it. I watch my guild mates organize raids and I wonder where they get the multiple hours of uninterrupted time to participate in these. I just don't have that, nor do I really have the desire to do it -- even if I've spent a good two or three hours playing WoW, by the end of that I'm tired of sitting in a chair staring at a computer screen. In fact, the only thing really motivating me to play the game anymore is that I enjoy the times I play it with friends. Trying to level while soloing or playing with random strangers just isn't fun anymore.

Hugin's been getting me interested in Eve Online. I think I'm going to try the free trial this weekend.

LPMiller: "dunno, I've done some damn amazing things pantless."
cinq0: "This is true. The last time he went pantless, he populated the Eastern Seaboard."
#44 by Hugin
2006-03-22 16:21:13
lmccain@nber.org
Sorry, I can't get excited about Oblivion at all.  But if you're enjoying it I'm happy for you.
#45 by Caryn
2006-03-22 16:21:40
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
*running home, hugging my homemade prom dress to my face, crying*


Having actually met you, the mental image I get from this nearly has me in tears.

LPMiller: "dunno, I've done some damn amazing things pantless."
cinq0: "This is true. The last time he went pantless, he populated the Eastern Seaboard."
#46 by UncleJeet
2006-03-22 16:24:00
...and aside from being very pretty, it looked like it played exactly like Morrowind. And Morrowind gave me herpes.

(FanboyMode=1)

We're on the same page about Morrowind, and I'm happy - very suprised and happy, in fact - to report that Oblivion completely makes up for the travesty that was Morrowind. The combat is superb - you might not be able to tell it from the videos, but playing it is a real treat. I have to point to arena matches where you fight evenly matched opponents. The combat plays out so much like Riddick but with added layers and layers of complexity and choices so that it becomes a total dream to engage in. I'd go so far as to say it's the best RPG combat system to date.

Another thing about Morrowind, and the thing I hated the most, was that the world felt completely static, lifeless, and boring. It was also excessively over the top "other" in such a way that there was very little to identify with visually in the environments. To call the Morrowind NPCs cookie cutter robots is to give them high praise, indeed. Oblivion makes up for all of this, and does it better than make-up sex.

First off, the environments feel alive now even without the NPCs. There is animation everywhere, color variations to add complexity to the leaves on a tree, anything you walk into responds via havok, you can pick up and move everything in the world, etc... The lighting is gorgeous; the shadows rival Nocturne! The weather effects are purty, there's a good variation in environments to explore, etc... Even the dungeons feel like real places, full of things moving here and there, clever traps springing, and sounds....uh....sounding.

Then there are the NPCs. To put it simply, these are the best NPCs ever seen in any RPG ever. They're smart, they do realistic things, they operate independently of your involvement, they don't rely on scripts, they do really interesting and clever things at times, etc... I'm sure you've read about the Radiant AI thing by now, and I was very skeptical if it'd work or even be noticable. It does and it is and it's wonderful.

The whole game just has this great sense of being a real place with real people. It feels alive. It also does away with different conventions that probably never bothered you much in games before, if you even noticed them. For example, in most games if you finish a quest with NPC X and he tells you he's going back to the temple (an asian-like temple in the snowy mountains, no less) and will wait for you there (you have other things to do first), then when NPC X walks out the door, you know he'll just pop into existence over at the temple and be waiting for you. Not in Oblivion. If you tell an NPC to go somewhere and do something, he goes there and does it. It doesn't get a scripted outcome, it's not simulated with goofy pre-determined parameters - he actually goes to wherever it is he needs to be and then sets about doing whatever he's supposed to get done. When he's finished, he'll go about his business independent of you. You can actually follow him the entire way and watch. I know, because I did.

I was very skeptical of Oblivion, even after the first couple of enjoyable hours that I spent playing because I kept waiting for it to start sucking. It hasn't, and at this point I don't suspect that it will do anything other than continue to get better.

Bethesda really kicked me in the balls with Morrowind and I just knew that my hopes for Oblivion were misplaced and they'd just kick me again. Fortunately, they learned from Morrowind and Oblivion is the result. It has, hands down, the best world simulation seen since Ultima 7 and Gothic. NPCs have never seemed so alive and natural. I've spent right at ten hours with the game now - which is more than enough to complete most any current game - and I just, and I mean only just - as in a couple of minutes before I quit the game, noted the nine hours, fifty-something minutes notation on the save, and came to work - hit level three. Level three, after ten hours - and not one second of one minute of any of that time has been spent in boredom, frustration, or disappointment. It's flown by and I can't wait to get back into that world.

Cliff's Notes Version
Don't hate Oblivion because you hated Morrowind. Anyone with any taste whatsoever hated Morrowind. Oblivion is not Morrowind. Morrowind sucked. Oblivion rocks.

(FanboyMode=0)

Accipere quam facere praestat injuriam...
#47 by gaggle
2006-03-22 16:26:08
the game's automated systems are well enough designed that you can set a course and then go to the bathroom ..


That ended up being a problem for me, in a roundabout way. Because it really is pretty damn neat that it autotravels so much, with the distances involved it'd be hell to do things manually. I think the problem I ended up having with the game can be shown by an example: My friend was playing World of Warcraft whilest also playing EVE. So little was happening that he could infact engage in an entirely different activity. In short, I got a bit restless in there, since everything seemed to be waiting for the stars to pass by. Beautiful as those stars might be.

Though I still think it'd be fun to play if you, like, knew a guy that'd give you the funds to circumvent a lot of the trade-kill-search mission stuff. If you could just log in every now and again to hook up with your powerful allies and organize a strike against the battlestation of a competing company or something, that'd be awesome.

In wishing that I also hint towards an underlying trend in EVE. Because I'd like to be part of the successful gang, the griefer, but never the griefed. EVE truly has some serious potential for griefing, since you often lose a lot by dying. And frankly I'm not prepared to deal with the bullshit of losing your ship and facing a weeks worth of farming asteroids or solving the various search and destroy missions to gather up the moola for a new battleship.


What I'm saying is, I need a sugardaddy.

"The gun settles all arguments. The boot silences criticism. The tank crushes protest."
#48 by UncleJeet
2006-03-22 16:35:26
(FanboyMode=1)

Oh, and for those playing it - don't bother with buying a horsie for $2500, or stealing one. You get one fairly early on, shortly after you close the first Oblivion gate. It's actually a fun little bit, because you have two guys coming with you and, since everyone else is dead, you all just walk into the stables and grab three horses (legally) and ride out.

I'm enjoying not using the fast travel system, except in certain situations. (Such as when I want to go do some arena fighting: I'll fast travel to the temple to pick up my arena armor, then fast travel to the imperial city, have my fights, then fast travel back to temple to unload the arena and store it, put my armor back on, then fast travel back to wherever I was before I got a hankerin' for some arena fights.)

Using the fast travel just for getting around would take a lot away from the game, at least for me. For example, I enjoyed casually trotting along on my horsie with my two buddies alongside me the whole way to the temple. It's a good trek, but you can have a few beastie encounters along the way, maybe come across an interesting looking landmark to go explore, a dungeon to go loot, or an interesting NPC to chat up and maybe get a quest from.

My point is that the world is so rich and vibrant that it's not just dead and boring space between Interesting Place A and Interesting Place B. There's always something to see, much like those early days in any good MMOG where exploring is great fun, and the world is just so....I dunno, it has a presentation such that it evokes a real place and fast travel breaks the immersion and, for me, would steal away a lot of the game if I used it more. That said, I know full well that 98% of the people playing the game will fast travel every chance they get, and 99.99999999999999% of the console crowd will still complain that it's "too slow" - but I think it's spot-on fantastic.

(FanboyMode=0 (for really real this time))

Accipere quam facere praestat injuriam...
#49 by Matt Perkins
2006-03-22 16:36:45
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
I too gave up on the Campaign missions in GalCiv2 right away. That isn't what I bought it to play and having some contrived missions that don't make logical sense just annoy me (it's why I don't like the campaigns in MOST RTS/TBS games).

The AI is fun in GalCiv, and often hard to predict. As you get higher up in levels, they get even better. I think the level above Normal is where the strategy of the AI maxes out after that it just get bonus to production/money/etc. Which is very cool. Instead of the AI just being there with better ships, you can actually see them behaving differently depending upon the chosen difficulty level. LOVE.

"me did a sneak attack to smack the demons off my back"
#50 by Funkdrunk
2006-03-22 16:37:01
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Hugin,

I think you would really like the character building process.

Funk

I am sofa king.  We todd ed.
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