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Worst. Marketing. Evar.
July 25th 2005, 23:42 CEST by m0nty

The $20 fee was to be mandatory for LARPs which charge players a fee, even if just to cover costs like location hire. The fee would have granted entry to White Wolf's Camarilla community, and not coincidentally required submission of mailing details for spam purposes. It also required you to adhere to the Camarilla code of conduct, which among other things outlaws drinking and toking, bans any props that look like weapons, and bans anyone touching anyone else with a prop. Boing Boing characterised the move as White Wolf "treating its super-recommender customers like thieves", as the organisers would have been the ones taking all the flak from players. The forums were full of fury, such as this thread. White Wolf posted a full retraction just on a week after posting the policy in full on its forums.

Now, since you fucknuckles will not want to talk about LARPing beyond making the obvious cheap shots, how about coming up with something from your vast memory of the history of gaming which beats this move for sheer bloody-mindedness and stupidity? We all remember Romero's claims that we would all become his bitch, although that is disqualified somewhat because if Daikatana hadn't sucked so much we might be hailing him as a marketing genius. What could top such a blatant attack on the very consumers that have supported your company through decades of constant whoring?
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#1 by schnee
2005-07-25 23:42:36
david@snowdesign.com
What the fuck? I voted no.

However, TWO FOR TWO BIOTCHEZZZZZZ

Gawd wuz a dream of good gubmint.
#2 by yotsuya
2005-07-25 23:43:28
You sucks, Scnhee.

Don't you have a pretend girlfriend to not be fucking right now, loser?
#3 by McBain
2005-07-25 23:44:24
THREAD BOMB OVERLOAD!

Kid: Because you went to the bathroom on mommy's dishes?
Willie: What the fuck? No!
#4 by schnee
2005-07-25 23:45:10
david@snowdesign.com
I voted NO, I tell ya.

This PLACE sucks, yostsyua, not me!

Gawd wuz a dream of good gubmint.
#5 by yotsuya
2005-07-25 23:50:04
Vote no for the sports thread so it will show up.

Don't you have a pretend girlfriend to not be fucking right now, loser?
#6 by schnee
2005-07-26 00:05:27
david@snowdesign.com
I already did.

Gawd wuz a dream of good gubmint.
#7 by Shadarr
2005-07-26 00:15:01
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
On topic, kinda, I'd say the RIAA's lawsuit campaign and the MPAA ads in theaters accusing everyone of being a thief and a communist rank right up there for pissing off the userbase.

For gaming, there's always Steam.

You need to work on your micro before you play a Korean.
#8 by G-Man
2005-07-26 00:25:01
This is why I don't even bother voting anymore. I don't want to risk it and I think whether you vote yes or no, there is a minimum number of votes required before a topic can be published - so why help?
#9 by Dumdeedum
2005-07-26 00:25:27
http://www.dumdeedum.com
For gaming there's also TV ads coming to Anarchy Online.  I think we've probably covered it before but it's about as on-topic as I'm going to get.

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#10 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-07-26 00:51:53
erictcheng@hotmail.com
This is why I don't even bother voting anymore. I don't want to risk it and I think whether you vote yes or no, there is a minimum number of votes required before a topic can be published - so why help?


With that attitude, no wonder Bush Jr won last November.

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#11 by Shadarr
2005-07-26 01:18:31
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Buggy electronic voting and corrupt officials?  Yes, I suppose there is some similarity.

You need to work on your micro before you play a Korean.
#12 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-07-26 01:26:58
erictcheng@hotmail.com
I saw David Blaine's street magic tv show last night on A&E. Some the tricks are variations of tricks we've seen before but they're still very impressive nonetheless. One of the more amazing ones was where he asks a woman on the street to think of a name or object very dear to her and while he concentrates a taxi drives by with the name "Dawn" scrawled on its side. The woman sees the name and freaks out.

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#13 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-07-26 01:29:32
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<seenit>A cool street magic trick </seenit>

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#14 by Your Friend
2005-07-26 01:32:43

I saw David Blaine's street magic tv show last night on A&E. Some the tricks are variations of tricks we've seen before but they're still very impressive nonetheless


If you google David Blaine you'll see tons of websites devoted to explaining exactly how what he does is almost all clever tv editing, rather than valid tricks or illusions anyone would fall for in a real life setting.  So don't be too impressed.

Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers, and me.
#15 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-07-26 01:42:05
erictcheng@hotmail.com
I thought the point of doing street magic was to get rid of the staged stage / tv editing?

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#16 by None-1a
2005-07-26 01:44:39
Street magic yes, televised street magic on the other hand tends to try far more impressive tricks that require staging/editing.
#17 by Wudi
2005-07-26 01:48:15
Just like an asian..so gullible!

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#18 by Sgt Hulka
2005-07-26 02:05:53
Hey, did you know the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?

#19 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-07-26 02:14:05
erictcheng@hotmail.com
From what I recall of the show last night it was just one cameraman and no noticable cuts. Obviously they're sleight-of-hand and/or deceptive illusions, but they were more impressive than the staged televised David Copperfield stuff.

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#20 by Wudi
2005-07-26 02:17:20
Hey, did you know HulkaMania quit running wild about 20 years ago?

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#21 by Sgt Hulka
2005-07-26 02:35:25
Hulkamania is alive and well, you just need special glasses to see it, and a portable radio, and a spoon.

#22 by jjohnsen
2005-07-26 03:04:44
http://www.johnsenclan.com
There's some kind of Hulkamania going on.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#23 by LPMiller
2005-07-26 03:08:33
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
wow, msn maps really sucks. the map of my area is missing most of the major construction done in the last 10 years or so. Plus, it's in black and white, and I can't zoom in as far. It is kind of neat seeing empty lots and I can even see the local target in the process of being built, but still, pretty lame being late to the game and 10 years behind google.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#24 by LPMiller
2005-07-26 03:08:51
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Hulk, that's actually a pretty cool show.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#25 by LPMiller
2005-07-26 03:09:23
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I mean, JJ, that's actually a pretty cool show.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#26 by Your Friend
2005-07-26 03:20:30
Some of google's data is 10+ years old too.  Maybe not in your area/neighborhood, but it is hit or miss on both as far as old data goes.   Also, Microsoft built MSN Maps from the TerraServer research project out of Microsoft Research whereas Google just purchased Keyhole (ala Microsoft purchasing Hotmail).  

Not that I really give a flying fuck either way.  Just trying to quell the google dick sucking a bit.

Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers, and me.
#27 by yotsuya
2005-07-26 03:46:30
I love Roger Erbert's Q & A column, Movie Answer Man. This exchange reminded me of this place. The answer is Ebert's:

Q. When you wrote a review of the movie "Bewitched," you sir, were a liar and a charlatan. You stated you never saw the program when it was on television because you were reviewing hundreds of films per year, which did not leave you much time to watch the tube.

May I remind you that you did not write your first review until 1967 and by then "Bewitched" had been on for three years? Possibly you might like to rethink that line of reasoning and pursue another feeble excuse. All you had to do was look at one or two episodes and I suspect even you might be able to determine the present piece is nothing more than garbage that should not be considered in the same breath as the original series or movie.

Gil Effertz, Frazier Park, Calif.

A. My bad. I forgot when I started not watching it.

Don't you have a pretend girlfriend to not be fucking right now, loser?
#28 by CheesyPoof
2005-07-26 03:51:40
Worst marketing has to be what Sega did for Panzer Dragoon Saga. So sayeth gord (towards the bottom):

This entire conversation could not have happened and many more souls could have been given the opportunity to play this great game had Sega of America bothered to produce more than 5000 copies, especially after Sega had completely sold out on the first day.  THANKS GUYS!

Sadly, Sega felt it was more important that people think happy thoughts of the last Sega Saturn games released from them were all magical and full of love, especially if they never play them as rumours would spread of the furthest and create the largest image of greatness, so that when they launched the Dreamcast gamers everywhere will remember fondly how great Sega's games are and buy the system like no tomorrow.
#29 by LPMiller
2005-07-26 04:09:37
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Some of google's data is 10+ years old too


Yeah, but you can actually see the Apple campus on their maps. Their maps are much more current, at worst I've seen some about 5 years old.

Not that I really give a flying fuck either way.  Just trying to quell the google dick sucking a bit.


Sorry, if google wants to suck my dick, nothing you say is going to quell that because hey, free dick sucking.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#30 by Jibble
2005-07-26 04:43:56
#26 Your Friend
Some of google's data is 10+ years old too.  Maybe not in your area/neighborhood, but it is hit or miss on both as far as old data goes.   Also, Microsoft built MSN Maps from the TerraServer research project out of Microsoft Research whereas Google just purchased Keyhole (ala Microsoft purchasing Hotmail).  

Not that I really give a flying fuck either way.  Just trying to quell the google dick sucking a bit.

So...what you're saying is that instead of investing thousands of man-hours and countless amounts of money to get older information, Google simply layed down some cash and bought a company that gave it better information?

Methinks you might want to reconsider who is smarter in this equation.

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#31 by G-Man
2005-07-26 05:47:17
Informative links.
#32 by G-Man
2005-07-26 06:12:08
My old neighborhood (moving after the bar exam - the first day of which is tomorrow). My new neighborhood (A9 doesn't cover it for some reason).

Here is a visual of the move. Article on my new building - and the official building website.
#33 by McBain
2005-07-26 06:34:22
G-Man:

Your visual of the move is backward.

It's a nice place.  

It's looking like Jen and I won't be moving to New York, the higher ups at MGH have been pretty reassuring that she will match there, so we're probably staying in Boston.  Columbia's hospitals would have been her 3rd or 4th choice, and most Harvard students get one of their top 2.

Kid: Because you went to the bathroom on mommy's dishes?
Willie: What the fuck? No!
#34 by schnee
2005-07-26 06:44:15
david@snowdesign.com
Commence stalking. Right next to Balboa Park, in one of the coolest neighborhoods in San Diego. All the houses are different, lots of charm, dozens of little coffee shops and restaurants within walking/bike distance, people out on the street all the time, close to downtown, and I only occasionally hear a plane landing at the airport.

Gawd wuz a dream of good gubmint.
#35 by McBain
2005-07-26 06:52:08
I live here.  Notice Fenway Park just a few blocks north.

Kid: Because you went to the bathroom on mommy's dishes?
Willie: What the fuck? No!
#36 by Sgt Hulka
2005-07-26 06:52:43
Take comfort in knowing you're safe from the Tripods McBain.

#37 by gaggle
2005-07-26 13:12:17
Are we all to post our approximate living quarters?

MSN Maps was pretty lame, visually, but very much more impressive than google maps in having all kinds of wacky detailed road maps and city names of Denmark. Far more internationally mature I think. Just too bad the visuals means the most to me :).

"Roses are red, violets are blue. In Soviet Russia, poems write you" - bash.org
#38 by Gunp01nt
2005-07-26 13:17:16
supersimon33@hotmail.com
I live somewhere in that blurry bit..

The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by god. We can now implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms.
#39 by Marsh Davies
2005-07-26 13:22:16
www.verbalchilli.com
The google maps of Cardiff suck, but multimap comes to the rescue.

Though, what you can tell from that, I don't know.

#40 by Marsh Davies
2005-07-26 13:25:42
www.verbalchilli.com
Ack, when you zoom in it loses the correct coordinates. Fixed.

#41 by gaggle
2005-07-26 13:32:24
[nelson]Hah hah!, the Netherlands is blurrier than Denmark.[/nelson]

"Roses are red, violets are blue. In Soviet Russia, poems write you" - bash.org
#42 by Gunp01nt
2005-07-26 13:47:10
supersimon33@hotmail.com
It's cause smoking pot is legal over here. Who's laughing now?

The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by god. We can now implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms.
#43 by LPMiller
2005-07-26 13:53:54
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
you pot smokers, but I bet you couldn't tell me why.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#44 by Gunp01nt
2005-07-26 13:58:23
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Because they stay fresh much longer that way.

The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by god. We can now implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms.
#45 by bago
2005-07-26 14:12:05
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
BTW, Table totally won at phoenixfest. It had been upgraded to drive around, had gotten headlights, and even a soundsystem. Jetski was nowhere to be seen.

An we're runnin past the fireball an jumpin on the alligator heads an the ninjas are right behind us an LOOK OUT IT'S GONNA BLOOOOOOOOOOOWWW!!!
#46 by m0nty
2005-07-26 15:04:37
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I live here, in the southeast corner, just north of that little brown triangle sitting on the northern side of the river.
#47 by schnee
2005-07-26 15:27:12
david@snowdesign.com
I thought you were in Australia.

Gawd wuz a dream of good gubmint.
#48 by schnee
2005-07-26 15:28:21
david@snowdesign.com
Goddamn MultiMap.com sucks. 15% of the screen for the map, 85% for ads and superfluous shit. Never going back, thanks.

Gawd wuz a dream of good gubmint.
#49 by Chunkstyle
2005-07-26 15:36:04
Good luck with the bar exam, G-Man.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#50 by jjohnsen
2005-07-26 15:39:47
http://www.johnsenclan.com
My house doesn't show up on either map.  On MSN it's just a field.  On Google they're close to starting to building it.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
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