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Acquitted!
June 15th 2005, 14:49 CEST by Wudi

Now that the King of Pop has been found NOT GUILTY on ALL CHARGES, let us share our favorite memories of MJ.
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#1 by Trunks
2005-06-15 14:56:59
MJ? Michael Jordan was God. Thanks for starting a new sports thread!

#2 by anaqer
2005-06-15 15:01:23
I think he meant Mojo Jojo.

Isn't the world full of unemployed actors willing to do voice work in exchange for food or, you know, Heroin? "Do it with feeling this time, Cody, and I'll make the spiders in your brain go away!"
#3 by Trunks
2005-06-15 15:01:51
Magic Johnson?

#4 by Warren Marshall
2005-06-15 15:03:40
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Fuck you, Morn.
#5 by Trunks
2005-06-15 15:04:38
You were supposed to put "Morn Jackass" and keep it going!

#6 by Hugin
2005-06-15 15:08:47
lmccain@nber.org
I want to like MJ, but Kirsten Dunst kills it for me.  Miss Brant is cute though.
#7 by m0nty
2005-06-15 15:28:23
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I liked pretty much everything of his up to and including Moonwalker. After that, no.
#8 by yotsuya
2005-06-15 15:32:54
I'm with m0nty. It saddens me to see how far he's fallen.

Don't you have a pretend girlfriend to not be fucking right now, loser?
#9 by gaggle
2005-06-15 15:33:18
Hooray for the US justice system. This is just like OJ!

(all should note that this is a blatant attempt to troll G-Man)

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#10 by Hugin
2005-06-15 15:37:41
lmccain@nber.org
Seriously:  I was listening to The Jackson Five last weekend, and that old stuff was wonderful, and depressing, because you can already imagine how the lives of these kids are going in sad directions, not just Michael.

Off the Wall and Thriller were great.  It's weird looking at him circa Off the Wall, where he's still a recognizably 1. African American 2. Male 3. Human.

Moonwalker was actually kind of cool for what it was, the video I mean.  And some of the songs were legitimately good.  Smooth Criminal for example.

Mostly I wish he'd move to another country, buy a quiet, secure cottage somewhere, and stop trying to be Willy Wonka or Peter Pan or whatever he's going for.
#11 by Warren Marshall
2005-06-15 15:42:15
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
What I find hysterical is that he has holdings worth over $600 million dollars - and he's going into debt.  How do you fuck up THAT badly?  Amazing.
#12 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-06-15 15:46:08
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The $600 million is the value of his holdings of hundreds of Beatles' songs, half of Sony Music apparently. He borrows tens of millions against that $600 million, spending like $40 million a year on useless shit (in that documentary he goes through a Las Vegas mall and buys a few hundred thousand dollars worth of ghastly ornate crap from some art dealer, who still has stuff from the last time he had visited the store)

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#13 by Jibble
2005-06-15 15:57:53
I think when you hit it that big, money starts to lose all meaning.  You just see something and you buy it.  Once you're used to doing that, it doesn't matter when the money runs dry.  You just keep on running.

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
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#14 by Warren Marshall
2005-06-15 16:05:23
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Eric

I know.  That's why I specifically used the word "holdings".
#15 by BobJustBob
2005-06-15 16:13:00
We won! We won!

Now I'm waiting for my MJ prize.

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#16 by deadlock
2005-06-15 16:16:27
http://www.deadlocked.org/
What I've never understood about Michael Jackson (or rather, his fans) is why black people hold him up as some shining example of their race (even going so far as to suggest that his trial was part of a racial conspiracy) - I mean, the guy dyed his skin and had plastic surgery to give him the physical characteristics of a white man. Hardly a proud African American, eh?

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#17 by LPMiller
2005-06-15 16:29:03
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because no matter how goofy he gets, he's still one of theirs. It's the same reason so many of them supported OJ. they've been beaten by the white folks so much, the down trodden alway just assume it's a white thing to screw with them. True or not, it's how they feel.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#18 by Jibble
2005-06-15 16:39:08
#15 BobJustBob
We won! We won!

Now I'm waiting for my MJ prize.

It'll be in your mailbox any day now.

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
222 lbs.  42 to go.
#19 by Ergo
2005-06-15 16:54:50
I never liked any of Jackson's music. It was for wimps.

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#20 by LPMiller
2005-06-15 17:00:36
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Sounds like you're talking about the man in the mirror...

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#21 by Ergo
2005-06-15 17:05:01
AAUGH

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#22 by Chunkstyle
2005-06-15 17:06:44
JACKOED!

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#23 by Hugin
2005-06-15 17:07:07
lmccain@nber.org
#16 by deadlock

What I've never understood about Michael Jackson (or rather, his fans) is why black people hold him up as some shining example of their race (even going so far as to suggest that his trial was part of a racial conspiracy) - I mean, the guy dyed his skin and had plastic surgery to give him the physical characteristics of a white man. Hardly a proud African American, eh?

#17 by LPMiller

because no matter how goofy he gets, he's still one of theirs. It's the same reason so many of them supported OJ. they've been beaten by the white folks so much, the down trodden alway just assume it's a white thing to screw with them. True or not, it's how they feel.


Also, let's keep in mind, tremendous numbers of black people think Michael Jackson is a sad freak.  I think the ones who express unwavering support (and most of his most insane seeming supporters are white) simply are more visible.  If I went back to my old neighborhood I don't think I could find 1 in 10 people who'd call themselves any sort of Michael Jackson fan except in a nostalgic fashion.  As for OJ, there's a scene in Undercover Brother that expresses best how a lot of black people feel about that one.
#24 by Caryn
2005-06-15 17:11:00
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#23 Hugin
As for OJ, there's a scene in Undercover Brother that expresses best how a lot of black people feel about that one.

What's the scene? Because I don't think I've ever gotten a sense that there's a sort of unified feeling on OJ in the black community, and if there is, I've never been able to discern what it is, and I'm curious.

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#25 by Battle-Dwarf
2005-06-15 17:24:24
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Anyone remembers the Ranklin/Bass studios Jackson 5 cartoon from the seventies?

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#26 by E-ph0nk
2005-06-15 17:28:43
http://www.electrophonk.be
I'm a michael jackson fan, in the sense that I still like the stuff he did in the late 70's & the 80's - and I regularly listen and play his tracks.
Musically, he fell in a pit once quincy jones left as his producer - but his old stuff is still amazing.

#27 by Hugin
2005-06-15 17:33:47
lmccain@nber.org
Conspiracy Brother (Dave Chapelle) launches into a litany of the various white conspiracies against black folks, all kinds of stuff, with everyone vigorusly assenting as to the endless trickery and manipulation of whitey at every level of history.  And then Undercover Brother tries to chime in with the notion that OJ was framed, and everyone kind of trails off sheepishly while avoiding eye contact.

The OJ case was complex and difficult for the black community basically because the circumstances of the trial put you in a position of confronting two statements, both of which were logically false, but packed a huge sociological and historical wallop:

"If OJ is guilty, then LAPD cops aren't racist and corrupt."  No one wanted to assent to that notion, post Rodeney King.

And secondly:

"If OJ is guilty, then it's true that sexual interaction/desire between black men and white women is physically dangerous for white women."
 
Does that make sense Caryn?  There wasn't so much love for Simpson per se, nor as there so much intrinsic disbelief that he could have done it, at least not among the black people I ever communicated about the case with.
#28 by Battle-Dwarf
2005-06-15 17:36:00
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Musically, he fell in a pit once quincy jones left as his producer - but his old stuff is still amazing.



I totally agree.  The writers and producers who contributed the Motown stuff before his adolescence are timeless classics.

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#29 by Greg
2005-06-15 17:38:53
So they generally thought he was guilty, they just couldnt reconcile it with other preconceived notions about related things?

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#30 by Marsh Davies
2005-06-15 17:40:20
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Relatedly, I was watching a Big Brother presenter interview some retarded F-list celeb turned inarticulate moron pundit the other day. She happened to be black, and said she wanted any of the three black people to win because they were "her people". Putting aside the fact that the three people in question dislike each other intensely, come from radically different backgrounds (and indeed countries of descent), and are only similar in the facts that they are all unpleasant and quite strange, I was surprised at how this seemed not to cause massive offense. It wasn't like she was making a political statement, she just casually stated a preference for black people over white. But nobody batted an eyelid.

#31 by Caryn
2005-06-15 17:42:11
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Hugin, that makes perfect sense.

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#32 by Matt Perkins
2005-06-15 17:42:53
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
That's it, I'm going to the 80's going to steal some of their super duper white man to black man conversion paint and then go off on my newly found brothers.


"If OJ is guilty, then LAPD cops aren't racist and corrupt."  No one wanted to assent to that notion, post Rodeney King.

We all know that's a lie.  It doesn't have to be that way just because OJ fucked with the system and got away with that shit.


"If OJ is guilty, then it's true that sexual interaction/desire between black men and white women is physically dangerous for white women."

So a guy kills his wife for whatever fucked up reason and it's now a black/white thing?  For the love all.  OJ is almost assuredly a murderer.  This point doesn't even have any basis in any sort of reality.

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#33 by Hugin
2005-06-15 17:52:49
lmccain@nber.org
What part of "both of which are logically false" didn't you get Matt?

 And yeah, a black guy kills his white wife in LA, a few years post-Rodney King, in the United States, it's absolutely a black/white thing, at least in part. The race of the perp, the victim, the judge, the jury, the lawyers, the cops, the columnists writing about the case, it all matters.

I can't stress how crippled your sense of American history will be if you don't grasp this.
#34 by Battle-Dwarf
2005-06-15 17:54:32
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Heh.

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#35 by mgns
2005-06-15 18:01:08
She happened to be black

For the love of George Carlin...

Just those three words, said and meant. I love you. They were quite hopeless. He said it as he might have said, I have cancer.
#36 by Jibble
2005-06-15 18:01:16
Yeah, I'm not following Matt on this one.  I'm surprised that he doesn't remember the climate surrounding that trial.  Hell, I was barely in high school at the time and I still noticed all the race cards flying around like crazy.  During that time period everything was a reflection on an entire race.  Honestly, it feels like that's still going on just as much now.

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#37 by Matt Perkins
2005-06-15 18:01:17
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And yeah, a black guy kills his white wife in LA, a few years post-Rodney King, in the United States, it's absolutely a black/white thing, at least in part. The race of the perp, the victim, the judge, the jury, the lawyers, the cops, the columnists writing about the case, it all matters.

I don't get it.  Not at all.  Maybe I haven't suffered enough as a black man (I'm being serious) to understand the plight, but I don't get it.  I won't claim to be an expert on anything to do with history, but I've read a lot of it and have learned a lot of from it.  AND still, I don't get where you're coming from.

Why does the actions of one black man speak to your race?  Do I look at Jeffrey Dahmer and think his actions speak for all white people?  Fuck no.


OJ, being black, white or purple, doesn't matter.  He's a man who probably killed his wife and got away with it.  Whether she was black, white or purple, doesn't matter.

"Palpatine - Helps me Anakin, council r skript kiddies !" - Ds
#38 by Ergo
2005-06-15 18:02:04
I think Matt was 5 when all that went down.

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#39 by mgns
2005-06-15 18:02:43
Oh, to live in the land where common sense is common. Matt, yeah, that's the way it should be, but it's not. It's called racism. And it's rampant.

Just those three words, said and meant. I love you. They were quite hopeless. He said it as he might have said, I have cancer.
#40 by Matt Perkins
2005-06-15 18:03:51
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Yeah, I'm not following Matt on this one.  I'm surprised that he doesn't remember the climate surrounding that trial.  Hell, I was barely in high school at the time and I still noticed all the race cards flying around like crazy.  During that time period everything was a reflection on an entire race.  Honestly, it feels like that's still going on just as much now.

I'm not saying race wasn't a HUGE issue at that point.  It was.  


I'm asking why OJ was a part of that.  Why some rich fucker kills his wife and that's a reflection on other people that weren't involved in any way.

"Palpatine - Helps me Anakin, council r skript kiddies !" - Ds
#41 by Trolly McTroll
2005-06-15 18:05:00
Michael Jackson is my hero

You Bigoted Narrow-Minded Homophobe Racist!
#42 by Jibble
2005-06-15 18:05:42
#37 Matt Perkins
I don't get it.  Not at all.  Maybe I haven't suffered enough as a black man (I'm being serious) to understand the plight, but I don't get it.  I won't claim to be an expert on anything to do with history, but I've read a lot of it and have learned a lot of from it.  AND still, I don't get where you're coming from.

A Catholic priest molests a bunch of little kids.  How do you think John Q. Public is going to respond to that as far as his feelings towards Catholics go?

A group of extremists crashes two planes into some very large buildings.  How do people feel about anyone who looks like they might have recently arrived from a Middle Eastern country?

George W. Bush gets up on his soapbox and says gay people are a scourge on this planet and should be killed on sight.  How do you think people are going to feel about Republicans after that?

These generalizations happen every single day, Matt.  I really don't see where you're not grasping it.  It only takes one bad example to form a vast sterotype about an entire people or race.

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#43 by Funkdrunk
2005-06-15 18:06:15
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Matt

I wish I lived in your world.

Funk.

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#44 by Matt Perkins
2005-06-15 18:06:15
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Oh, to live in the land where common sense is common. Matt, yeah, that's the way it should be, but it's not. It's called racism. And it's rampant.

I'm not asking about the past.  I remember watching a lot of what went down on the news (I was pretty young, but it was big) and I'm asking, why there is a relationship.  I'm not saying racism isn't rampant, it is in lots of ways.  I think it's not as overt as it used to be, but it's definitely still there.  And not just against african americans...all minorities in this country.

But the question, why on the other side of the coin, do people of the same color of OJ feel that somehow they are linked to him?  Why does it matter what some bastard does?

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#45 by Caryn
2005-06-15 18:07:43
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
#44 Matt Perkins
and I'm asking, why there is a relationship.  I'm not saying racism isn't rampant, it is in lots of ways.

You answered your own question right here, Matt.

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#46 by Battle-Dwarf
2005-06-15 18:08:46
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*sigh*

...in other news,  I've been drawing more stuff in pen and ink lately and I'd like go back into illustrating to literature. I know some of you guys write (for fun?) and I'd like to collaborate with the most comprehensible (and compatible) writer at Planetcrap.

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#47 by Chunkstyle
2005-06-15 18:09:30
People form linkages.  Americans feel linked to Americans.  Illinoisans to Illinoisans.  Chicagoans to Chicagoans, north siders vs. south siders, white north siders vs hispanic north siders, etc.  We find lots of ways to exclude or include others in our groups, and most of them are stupid.  The color of OJ's skin matters because people want it to matter.

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#48 by Jibble
2005-06-15 18:09:34
#44 Matt Perkins
But the question, why on the other side of the coin, do people of the same color of OJ feel that somehow they are linked to him?  Why does it matter what some bastard does?

I presume that the major concern isn't the personal impact, but rather how ridiculous assholes will perceive the event and use it as an excuse to persecute black people even further.

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#49 by Trolly McTroll
2005-06-15 18:10:00
Yippie! Another videogame movie Hitman and you know it's gonna be good because it's got thesbian Vin Diesel in it!!!

You Bigoted Narrow-Minded Homophobe Racist!
#50 by Ergo
2005-06-15 18:10:01
*shakes head*

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