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WoW: First look from a newb's perspective.
January 5th 2005, 08:08 CET by Mank

Let me preface this by stating; that despite being pretty much jaded beyond belief in the world of first person shooters, I've never wandered very deep into mmorpg territory outside of the late stage AC2 beta that I took part in over a year ago. World of Warcraft is my first full fledged attempt at giving this genre a long and, most certainly overdue look. Yes, I'm a complete mmorpg newb, so keep that in mind if you choose to read further.

First off, let me say that learning all of the key binds, chat/cvar shortcuts and whatnot is a tediously painful experience for an unwashed soul such as myself. I've spent more time reading the manual and online tips/hints forums than I have ever done for any game previous to this. The great thing is, I'm finding that the rewards far exceed the effort in terms of how much time I'm investing educating myself about the game. As the ESRB warning plainly states on the box, my gameplay experience is definately changing in this online environment.

Blizzard has done a superb job of tying things together among the various races, and the immersion level is made all the more real with the absolutely stunning environments that I've come across in my travels. The approaches to the gates of Stormwind City and Ironforge is but a couple of times that my jaw has literally dropped wide open after seeing how much attention to detail has been put into the art assets of this game. Yeah, customizing the looks of your character is lacking somewhat, but when I'm looking at the back of his head the majority of the time this just isnt an issue with me.

Character development -is- painstaking in the early stages, but anyone without a D&D or Warcraft background will still be able to pick and choose what skills and class specific buffs they want their player to hold. This was made even easier once I realized how the quests and the travel between various regions allowed for finding the proper trainers as I progressed upward in levels. The trick I've found is to travel as much as possible, meet as many quest giving NPC's as you can find, and then systematically pick and choose those quests that all tie into one specific area so you can be as efficient as you possibly can without having to backtrack from one place to another in getting/meeting the items/people needed to fulfill your quests. I've managed to get my main character, a Paladin, to level 16 in about 2 weeks of 3-4 hour a night sessions. Sound too easy? Maybe someone with more experience in mmorpgs can chime in and say.

Aside from sporadic server outages for server side upgrades, I've found no real gripe where server uptime is concerned. The patching process uses a form of torrent, and can take a while depending on how early you try to obtain the patch, but I got a recent 32 meg patch in under 15 minutes. YMMV.

I have to give kudos to the blizzard team for not breaking, or otherwise introducing new issues during the patching process. The amount of bugs that have been fixed, and the new additions to the game is quite spectacular in terms of what has been covered in the readme's associated with the latest patches. The only bug that currently sticks out and causes me any real grief is a glitch in the looting process. I partied up with a level 19 Paladin last night(he invited, I joined), and whenever I initiated the aggro on combat, all my Paladin friend would find on the corpses was copper loot if he searched the corpse first. If I searched the body first, then other objects would appear and only then could he see them. *shrug*.

Another thing I have to mention is the number of helpful players that are on the servers. The idiots who refuse to RTFM, and the uptight arrogant assholes are there, but the sheer number of knowledgeable and outright friendly players who openly give away needed items and information to the lower level players is astounding. I decided to return the favors when and if I'm able, and a few nights ago I spied a lower level Paladin who was repeatedly getting his ass handed to him whenever he would draw the aggro of a certain humanoid. After inspecting his character I found his armor was sorely lacking, so I gave him a much higher rated chainmail chest armor and boots that I wasnt using from my inventory. He thanked me, and went about his merry way. The next night this guy sent me a thank you note with 2 silver pieces thru the games mail system. Total Coolness.

I admit I havent tried PvP yet, and probably havent experienced some of the drawbacks that might exist in the game, but so far WoW has exceeded every expectation that I've had based on reviews and what other friends have had to say. The other problems that people expressed concerns over in the earlier WoW topic just arent issues with me. Maybe they were issues with the beta? *shrug*

I may be in the honeymoon period still, but so far this game is a damn fun time to be had. Feel free to crash my honeymoon tho, if you've bought and played the game and feel that it sucks, let the reasons be known. There's an awful lot of players on the servers for it to suck as bad as some here have said.
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#1 by m0nty
2005-01-05 08:09:04
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Sad it is, to see another lost to the plague.

Bring out yer dead!
#2 by Squeaky
2005-01-05 08:17:13
When I saw this topic in the bin, I had a whole bunch of stuff to say about it. Too bad I have no short term memory, and didn't bother to jot any of it down.

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#3 by Shadarr
2005-01-05 08:36:33
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
A least this MMOG topic is about the good one, and not Evercrap.

Ratings are a band-aid on the gaping wound that is parenting in today's society.  -Caryn
#4 by Ashiran
2005-01-05 08:45:47
It's still not released yet here. I blame the French and the Germans and their goddamn desire for localization.

Nihil nequeo.
#5 by Sgt Hulka
2005-01-05 09:05:44
Myatt Dah-mon

Tony the Tiger is endlessly informative about such subjects as excitement and yumminess.  - m0nty
#6 by Your Friend
2005-01-05 09:05:58
WoW is fucking awesome.

Best MMORPG ever.

Winner: Best Troll In A PlanetCrap Topic.
TOTY 2004.
#7 by Squeaky
2005-01-05 09:45:19
#6 Your Friend
WoW is fucking awesome.

Best MMORPG ever.

I agree.

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#8 by schnee
2005-01-05 09:46:51
david@snowdesign.com
Goddammit.

Eveyone I work with can't shut up about this game. No more than four people I know - lifetime gamers - have called this the best game they've ever played.

Must... Resist....
#9 by schnee
2005-01-05 09:47:05
david@snowdesign.com
Er, no less than four. Gah.
#10 by Squeaky
2005-01-05 09:51:27
I remember one of the things I wanted to talk about WoW. Typically with MMO's, the shitfuckery and lameness sets in around level 20. I've got a level 25 warlock, and I've only really HAD to group once (for the 'VanCleef' quest, for those who've played the game).

I must say, the elite dungeons are fucking awesome. And the group we had just rocked the place, we only died once, and that was because of a bug where a bunch of guys fell through the ceiling above us and started attacking as we were fighting a group of about 8 level 20/21 elite and a random group spawned on top of us. A dozen level 20 elites vs. 5 20-23 players aint gonna happen.

I guess it helped that we had two paladins and a priest with us (as well as myself, my minion, and a mage). There were a couple of instances where I thought we were a gonner, like down in the goblin forge just before the docks, I accidentally sent my minion to attack a goblin on the other side of the room and just about everything aggro'd us at once. I'm really surprised we made it through that one.

Fucking awesome.

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#11 by Squeaky
2005-01-05 09:52:00
#10 may contain spoilers...

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#12 by "piramida"
2005-01-05 11:00:51
piramida@agsm.net
most of the people who play wow say it's good.

most of the people who are on heroin say it's good, too.

blizzard behaves very much like your loco crack dealer, no respect for the customer, and gets away with it since well, the crack is damn addictive. you must say no :)
#13 by piramida
2005-01-05 11:09:57
looks like cookies don't live for three years... anyway. neither heroin nor wow are good for you. what you find fun in this game is a social interaction and easily achievable goals which are missing in the daily life of most people but which is available to everyone now, thanks to blizzard, in the convinience of your own home, for only 14.95 a month.

but there is, really, nothing revolutionary or even new, mmorpg-wise, yet another pretty looking leveling bore. even some drawbacks, like idiotic server system...

signatures are stupid.
#14 by Comothinon
2005-01-05 11:33:00
MMORPGs are dead. It's only been about a month and already I have trouble convincing myself to play EQ2. I haven't tried WoW, but did watch my friend playing it for several hours. It didn't look like anything special to me. Just more of the same.

Maybe it's time I started doing what normal people do, like playing sport, or going to the pub*.

*bar, you crazy yanks.

Apparently, it's all the rage right now to link to really crap sites, so I figure when in Rome...
#15 by Ashiran
2005-01-05 12:40:48
So basically, unless you have a dedicated crowd of nice people to play with the game will burn itself out within a month.

Just like every other MMOG there is.

Nihil nequeo.
#16 by Ryslin
2005-01-05 13:21:33
(waves piece of paper)
I am still enjoying EQ. I found that Test server of all places is fun to be at. There is a dedicated group of folks that are there, and its kinda small townish. The prices on the broker aren't completely nuts, and I am waved to more often than I ever was on the Role play servers.

On that note, My other half is completely burnt out on MMORPGS. This is causing family friction. If he continues in this vein I may drop EQ. Why? The depth of the game begs to be shared. If I am not sharing the game I might as well go for quick and fun. Kinda like the quick fuck over the long lovemaking , when the lovemaking isn't available.

and you also can STFU!
#17 by Jibble
2005-01-05 14:02:47
#15 Ashiran
So basically, unless you have a dedicated crowd of nice people to play with the game will burn itself out within a month.

Just like every other MMOG online game there is.


Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
#18 by G-Man
2005-01-05 14:06:55
If you don't mind being a griefer almost every online game can be fun.
#19 by Jibble
2005-01-05 14:09:15
#18 G-Man
If you don't mind being a griefer almost every online game can be fun.

I'm surprised to hear you of all people say that it's fun being an asshole.

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
#20 by anaqer
2005-01-05 14:29:55
What, *Zing!* time already?

I DO NOT CHEAT.
I just play by extended rules.
#21 by Jibble
2005-01-05 14:33:46
Fine, fine.  If I'm ever in New York, I'll find G-Man and give him a hug.

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
#22 by MCorleone
2005-01-05 14:41:02
What was the name of that exercise game that Caryn et al were mentioning?  I told the wife about it last night and she would consider getting an xbox for it.

I'm angry. I'm very angry, Ralph. You know, you can ball my wife if she wants you to. You can lounge around here on her sofa, in her ex-husband's dead-tech, post-modernistic bullshit house if you want to. But you do not get to watch my fucking television set!
#23 by Ashiran
2005-01-05 14:44:48
MCorleone spots a chance to obtain an xbox.

Nihil nequeo.
#24 by Jibble
2005-01-05 14:47:52
#22 MCorleone
What was the name of that exercise game that Caryn et al were mentioning?  I told the wife about it last night and she would consider getting an xbox for it.

It's called yourself!fitness.  This may be the game that launched a thousand Xboxes in houses where the wives hate video games.

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
#25 by MCorleone
2005-01-05 14:52:47
Thanks Jibble - Ash you are correct, heh.  I hate consoles traditionally and tested my hatred with Dreamcast - Bought one and used it for a while but it's been sitting in a cardboard box along with 75 games for a couple of years now.  The only thing it was good for was fighting games when friends were over.  I'm thinking of experimenting again.  Plus, fighting games would kick ass on the bigscreen.

I'm angry. I'm very angry, Ralph. You know, you can ball my wife if she wants you to. You can lounge around here on her sofa, in her ex-husband's dead-tech, post-modernistic bullshit house if you want to. But you do not get to watch my fucking television set!
#26 by m0nty
2005-01-05 14:53:10
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I can't believe no one's commented on Ryslin's last sentence.
#27 by MCorleone
2005-01-05 14:54:24
M0nty is the only remaining crapper who reads Ryslin's posts.

I'm angry. I'm very angry, Ralph. You know, you can ball my wife if she wants you to. You can lounge around here on her sofa, in her ex-husband's dead-tech, post-modernistic bullshit house if you want to. But you do not get to watch my fucking television set!
#28 by KneeL
2005-01-05 14:55:56
neilharrott@hotmail.com Coming soon
I read it and now I kinda wish i hadn't.

#29 by yotsuya
2005-01-05 14:57:28
'Sup, KneeL? How was the holiday?

"yot's a religious nut that really truly actually believes in a physical heaven with a graybearded man on a throne with an individual master plan for all of us and a Make A Mountain clay kit nearby"- gaggle
#30 by KneeL
2005-01-05 14:58:48
neilharrott@hotmail.com Coming soon
Hey Yot...It was nice, family etc...spent most of it on my back feeling rough but I'm feeling ok now.

#31 by Jibble
2005-01-05 15:00:33
#30 KneeL
Hey Yot...It was nice, family etc...spent most of it on my back feeling rough but I'm feeling ok now.

So you're the one Ryslin's talking about in that last sentence?

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
#32 by KneeL
2005-01-05 15:01:09
neilharrott@hotmail.com Coming soon
/reaches for soap/

#33 by Jibble
2005-01-05 15:08:07
#32 KneeL
/reaches for soap/

Try G-Man's toilet paper.  It's cleaner and has better disinfecting properties.

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
#34 by jjohnsen
2005-01-05 15:09:51
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I remember one of the things I wanted to talk about WoW. Typically with MMO's, the shitfuckery and lameness sets in around level 20. I've got a level 25 warlock, and I've only really HAD to group once (for the 'VanCleef' quest, for those who've played the game).

Not being forced to group?  I'm interested.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#35 by G-Man
2005-01-05 15:20:32
If you aren't grouping what is the point of playing an online RPG? The economy? The chat channel?
#36 by ProStyle
2005-01-05 15:44:53
http://prostyle.deviantart.com
From my limited time with the WOW open beta I saw it as adding nothing substantially new to the formula. I appreciated the artwork, but that's entirely subjective and arguably more far-removed from the gameplay than in most genres. For me the ROI on these games is nonexistent, as the illusion of significance is rather transparent. By ROI I mean the time I put into the game directly equating to fun had by me, not how I can turn and burn my gold/characters on E-Bay.

Fabricated like the word absurditive
#37 by Chunkstyle
2005-01-05 15:51:40
The economy and the chat channel are nice, as is the fact that I can group if I want to.  For the most part, though, I prefer to solo, and it's nice of Blizzard to design a game that works for me.

This is also the first game where I'm actually enjoying PvP.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#38 by Caryn
2005-01-05 15:58:22
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
I love WoW. A ton of people from Raven are playing - we've formed two guilds, one is Alliance on one server and the other is Horde on another. Both are PvP servers. I started a Horde troll rogue over the holiday break and she's level 21 now. I've got a Night Elf hunter on the Alliance side but she's only level 8 as I haven't been playing her much.

The two things I love about WoW are the quests and the ability to solo. I know that MMORPGs are mostly about grouping, as G-Man says, but the truth is that I hate people and I hate people I don't know even more. I only enjoy grouping with my friends, and since I can't always play with my friends I like being able to solo my character, which consists of exploring new areas, doing some cool quests, and uncovering more of the world story. Soloing in this respect is just as much fun to me as grouping with my friends. And WoW allows you to do that so well. The quests are fun, they're often tied together in a subplot, and even if it's just a FedEx quest they seem to put a lot of thought into it. 90% of the time spent in taking my rogue up to 21 has been soloing and I haven't hit a point yet where I can't still solo my character.

I did a way cool quest last week, can't remember what it was, but I got to use my rogue to her fullest extent. I used stealth to get myself past a couple of baddies I didn't feel like taking on together, since I wouldn't have been able to, snuck up behind the main baddy I needed to assassinate, garrotted him, then stunned him, backstabbed him, and took him out with a few more slices. Looted his body, then stealthed my way out again. For the first time in an MMORPG, I actually felt like I was really playing what my class was supposed to be.

Another thing that makes WoW so great is that I am never lacking for something to do. In past MMORPGs a friend and I have usually spent the first ten minutes asking, "What do you want to do? I don't know, what do you want to do?" Here, I've got a full quest log and more quests that I want to get to that I can't fit yet until I finish some I have. And when I'm in a new area because of a quest, I'm usually finding new things to explore, or I'm gathering up herbs for new potions, or I'm at the auction house looking for new potion recipes, etc.

Spiritual life can be regarded as a course of gradual recovery from the addiction to the peculiar type of awareness that splits everything into subject and object. - George Feuerstein
#39 by Chunkstyle
2005-01-05 16:02:29
That's another good thing about WoW: first game where I really enjoying crafting.  I go out and grind against bears, boars & spiders not because I need to to level but because I want leather & cooking ingredients.

Game Developers: Don't forget the zombie monkeys.
#40 by yotsuya
2005-01-05 16:04:18
I have a friend who wants me to build her a computer JUST to play WOW.

"yot's a religious nut that really truly actually believes in a physical heaven with a graybearded man on a throne with an individual master plan for all of us and a Make A Mountain clay kit nearby"- gaggle
#41 by BobJustBob
2005-01-05 16:04:51
I've got a level 25 warlock, and I've only really HAD to group once


You had to group? Lame...

I must say, the elite dungeons are fucking awesome. And the group we had just rocked the place, we only died once, and that was because of a bug where a bunch of guys fell through the ceiling above us and started attacking as we were fighting a group of about 8 level 20/21 elite and a random group spawned on top of us.


Yeah, bugs are awesome.

I hate consoles traditionally and tested my hatred with Dreamcast - Bought one and used it for a while but it's been sitting in a cardboard box along with 75 games for a couple of years now.


Want to sell them?

Dood.
#42 by Jibble
2005-01-05 16:06:42
Bob, you can pirate every Dreamcast game ever made.  Takes about an hour to download each.

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
#43 by Hugin
2005-01-05 16:06:54
lmccain@nber.org
:(

I really wish I got this level of enjoyment from WoW.  It seems to have...something that really appeals to people (over and above most previous MMOG's) and I'm just not seeing it.
#44 by Ryslin
2005-01-05 16:08:54
(waves piece of paper)
Hugin-
Do not feel bad. I bought 2 copies of City of Heros. I liked the charecter generation, but that was about it. It got old fast.

For the record, Jafd in Qt3 made a post about after horse blues in WOW.

I think the ceiling may have been reached for WOW. It is possible that the whole concept of MMORPG is outdated and we need to move on. I know Second Life is trying, but I do not see where gaming is going well enough to know if that is the correct path.

and you also can STFU!
#45 by BobJustBob
2005-01-05 16:11:14
Bob, you can pirate every Dreamcast game ever made.  Takes about an hour to download each.


If you can find a link.

Dood.
#46 by Jibble
2005-01-05 16:11:27
Yeah, platformers should also just stop trying, because everything cool was already done on the SNES.

Well it beats going to the video store to rent the latest hardcore releases twice a week. - G-Man
#47 by Hugin
2005-01-05 16:13:41
lmccain@nber.org
Ultimately, I think WoW is probably a solid game.  But it it's just...not revolutionary, or even evolutionary. It's a very solid execution of the Warcraft world in MMOG form, which is fine I suppose. It's not that I don't believe or begrudge the people who say they enjoy it.  I just have some difficulty seeing where this extra layer of...happiness with it comes from.
#48 by Matt Perkins
2005-01-05 16:19:35
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
For me it's the absolute insane amount of quests.  I have 17 quests on my list right now, about 6 of them where I am now.  Everytime I log on, I decide which area I want to play in.  I get bored of my current area, I take a gryphon over to stormwind, for instance, and run the elite quests I keep meaning to get to.

I don't go kill for the heck of it.  I go exploring, I go questing, but I'm hardly ever killing for the sake of it.  That's not to say a lot of the quests aren't go kill me 10 of these guys, but when I'm done, I get a unique item or some large sum of money or the like.  It's a mess load more fun.  And a fair amount of the quests are go do something specific for me.  Last night I had a quest where I had to into this specific cave and mine ore.  Probably a bitch if you aren't a miner, but for me it was great.


And I'm still impressed with the graphics.  Be they cartoony or not, they are beautiful.

Oh, and the crafting is love.  I'm +150 in both blacksmithing and mining and I'm having a great time with it.  I love wearing the stuff I make, I'm the best armored paladin I know.

"Before they Americanized his family, the last name was Perkinzalez." - Yotsuya
#49 by Greg
2005-01-05 16:53:53
#47 Hugin

Ultimately, I think WoW is probably a solid game.  But it it's just...not revolutionary, or even evolutionary. It's a very solid execution of the Warcraft world in MMOG form, which is fine I suppose. It's not that I don't believe or begrudge the people who say they enjoy it.  I just have some difficulty seeing where this extra layer of...happiness with it comes from.

From everything that I've heard about the game, with the exception of being able to solo more than any other MMOG, it all sounds like very familiar stuff. So if I were to drop the one I'm playing now, I would not move to WOW. Actually, I wouldn't move to any other MMOG, ever.

こんにちは
#50 by MCorleone
2005-01-05 17:06:09
Yeah Bob - Mine are copied anyway - That was the experiment.  In Canada DC games were about $65-$75 dollars making it prohibitively expensive.  Once the DC came out with the mod bootCD I wondered if that was the main factor of my hating consoles (game cost).  Bought the DC, got tonnes of games for it but the lack of depth and especially, lack of mouse and keyboard were still prohibitive for me.  Therefore all of those 75 games are copied, earlier ones requiring bootCD, later self-booting.  As far as game links, check usenet in alt.binaries.dreamcast or some variation thereof.  Not sure if there is still activity there though, as again, I haven't played with the DC in 2+ years.

I'm angry. I'm very angry, Ralph. You know, you can ball my wife if she wants you to. You can lounge around here on her sofa, in her ex-husband's dead-tech, post-modernistic bullshit house if you want to. But you do not get to watch my fucking television set!
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