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The thread about old games and movies
December 18th 2004, 09:05 CET by FoRmaT

I love computer games. I love movies. So do you. What are the games that you HAVE to have played, that have created and established gaming as we know it know? What are those great games that are incredibly well done but noone knows about? What games are there that you couldnīt label because they are so truly innovative and groundbreaking they take your breath away? What movies did you love so much as a child, that you havenīt seen it for 20 years but you still remember all the dialogue? I want to know about all these old and sometimes underrated gems that I may have missed for ten years and that could have changed the way I play and enjoy games today.

Post your mini-reviews, tell me what game you skipped school for and made drawings of in your textbooks, post screenshots and remember to bring BobJustBob along!
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#1 by Squeaky
2004-12-18 09:08:36
favorite old game of all time: TIE Fighter

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#2 by Squeaky
2004-12-18 09:22:40
Just so I don't contaminate the sports thread with more nerdish hardware talk about my new system:

I finally got around to installing some games on my new system, and the first one I tried to play was HL2. About thirty seconds into playing it, the game crashed and the ATi VPU recoverer thingy took over telling me that I need to restart my system. So I do (restarting takes all of 15 seconds or so), and try again, same thing. SHIT. Then I remembered that I had softmodded my x800 Pro to an x800 xt PE. I check the temp on the card, and it's idling at 82 degrees celsius. Ouch. On my old XP 1900+ it idled at about 50 degrees C. with the softmod. Probably has something to do with this board being agp 8x and the old one agp 4x. Also probably has something to do with this system being shit loads faster than the old one (probably is able to send a lot more data to the card a lot quicker, or so I'd imagine).

Luckily, I made a backup of my original video card BIOS. So I flash that back in. Reset, check the temps, it's a little better, now it's idling at 60 C. However, the extra four pipes are still enabled. I try playing HL2 again, and make it through a whole five minutes of playing before the video card crashes. FUCK! I scan the forums where I first learned about the softmod to see if there's a way to disable the extra four pipes. They all say no. Now, a slight panic comes over me. I knew it was a bad idea to do this mod from the moment it first gave me trouble (basically, couldn't backup the BIOS when first modding it as my floppy was fucked, and DOS doesn't like NTFS, bought a new floppy just to perform the flash).

Not willing to give up so easily, I do a quick google search for 'disable pipes x800 pro' and again, all I see is no, you can't go back. Except for one link on a forum that goes to another message board. Except, this is a dead link. FUCK. Luckily, google had a cache of the link and it contained instructions on how to disable those extra four pipes. So now, I've got my original x800 Pro VIVO with 12 pipes instead of 16.


The moral of the story: overclocking and modding is stupid. If a feature on a piece of hardware is disabled, chances are it's disabled for a GOOD reason.

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#3 by Squeaky
2004-12-18 09:23:17
And yeah, I got what was coming to me. C'est la vie.

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#4 by Leslie Nassar
2004-12-18 09:42:21
http://departmentofinternets.com
if anyone here is actively developing WAP or J2ME games, email me.

my favorite band sucks.
#5 by anaqer
2004-12-18 11:05:40
Squeaky,

just disable the VPU Recovery thing, it doesn't help squat. Unless you're dumb enough to have mission critical data in memory while gaming (open Word or whatever) where it might help, you're better off without it. Most of the time it's just making a false alarm even when the card wouldn't really crash at all.

Now, 82 °C is kinda hot even for load temps, assuming the monitoring software isn't bullshitting you (which is entirely possible). In any case, you should make sure you have proper ventillation throughout the case and consider using an aftermarket cooler - the Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer comes highly recommended.

I DO NOT CHEAT.
I just play by extended rules.
#6 by anaqer
2004-12-18 11:12:08
Oh, and as for your "moral of the story" part - aren't we overgeneralizing a bit here?
("But don't answer... It's one of 'em, how'd ya put it... rhetorical questions.")

I DO NOT CHEAT.
I just play by extended rules.
#7 by Squeaky
2004-12-18 12:39:39
#5 anaqer
Squeaky,

just disable the VPU Recovery thing, it doesn't help squat.

Except of course for the fact that my system was completely and utterly fucked. I couldn't shut down the game, and the video card had locked up real hard, the only way I could get control of the system back was through the VPU Recovery thingy.

Oh yeah, the video card completely fuxx0rd the display as well. Meaning I could only see small bits and pieces of the screen.

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#8 by Squeaky
2004-12-18 12:41:18
#6 anaqer
Oh, and as for your "moral of the story" part - aren't we overgeneralizing a bit here?

If a feature on a piece of hardware is disabled, chances are it's disabled for a GOOD reason.

No overgeneralising here

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#9 by anaqer
2004-12-18 12:56:53
Why didn't you just let it crash, reboot, and proceed to face the facts right the first time? I mean, didn't you test the card back when you did the softmod? It's pretty uncommon for it to work flawlessly in all but a single game where it's puking its guts out...

As for the VPU thingy - I had naught but false alarms with it, but I guess a YMMV would have been in order.

I DO NOT CHEAT.
I just play by extended rules.
#10 by anaqer
2004-12-18 13:00:25
The moral of the story: overclocking and modding is stupid.

I guess there ain't no o.g. here either?

I DO NOT CHEAT.
I just play by extended rules.
#11 by Ashiran
2004-12-18 13:21:59
Seeing that we are talking about hardware now. I bought a SATA drive to add to my system. When I hook it up it takes several minutes for the bios to recognize it. When it finally does it takes another couple of minutes to start booting. Then it starts looking for a RAID array, can't find one and just reboots.

So do I need to make a RAID of one for my SATA disk or what?


Oh and Magic Carpet 2 for must played.

Nihil nequeo.
#12 by Wudi
2004-12-18 13:55:47
Ultima Underworld.
Ultima VII

One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.
Full Metal Jacket

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#13 by Gunp01nt
2004-12-18 14:20:10
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Ashiran: what kind of SATA controller do you have? You don't need to set up your single SATA drive in a RAID array, I know I didn't do that. Maybe your BIOS needs an update?

Would you like to supersize or... BURN FOR ETERNITY?
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#14 by Ashiran
2004-12-18 14:23:21
It's an nForce 3 board. The connectors are on the mobo itself. I already updated my BIOS. I just want to know if the harddisk itself could be busted so that I can return it.

Nihil nequeo.
#15 by FoRmaT
2004-12-18 14:54:48
I have never ever played an Ultima game. In the old days, I was an avid AMIGA user. Among my favourite games were Dune 2, Cannon Fodder and Captive 2 - Liberation. Dune 2 was the first game I heard using digitized speech in a home-computer game, and AFAIK it was the first RTS game. It was a new concept and was a much needed change from all the Street Fighter 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog clones. It was even fun being rushed by half a screen full of sonic tanks or constantly fearing to lose your harvester to a sandworm.

One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest is a horrible movie. The book is MUCH better. It gives a better feeling of what goes on inside Nicholsonīs character and is much less depressing than the film.

Full Metal Jacket is a brilliant movie. The actor who did the drill inspector deserved an Oscar, I totally bought in to his hard to play character. I wonder how many times the guy had to laugh during his shots. Also Animal Mother and Joker were excellent, A.M. really seemed to be a lunatic on the edge and Joker really was funny as hell without being cheesy. I also love that actor in the movie "Birdy". Has anyone seen that? The music was brilliant. The only thing the movie lacked was closure, but maybe itīs good the way it is, so you can decide for yourself if your favourite character survives or not.

"Uhm... it back-fired a bit. :( "  - Andy, 12/20/98
#16 by "Lurker"
2004-12-18 15:07:48
Dune 2

The Secret of Monkey Island

Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge

Wing Commander

Ahhh, good ol' days.
#17 by Marsh Davies
2004-12-18 15:10:18
www.verbalchilli.com
Lure of the Temptress was one of my early favourite games.

First computer we had was a BBC, for which we had some text adventures (I think Hitchhiker's Guide was on the BBC, but maybe I'm getting confused...?) and a great platform game called Magic Mushrooms, which I would give my left bollock to find an emulation of.

I had a NES. I learnt to ride a bike so that my parents would get me Super Mario Bros. 2 (I then forgot how to ride a bike again because I was playing my NES all the time). I played a lot of Micro Machines.

#18 by Marsh Davies
2004-12-18 15:11:29
www.verbalchilli.com
Sam and Max Hit The Road, Day of The Tentacle and the first Discworld point and click game also consumed huge amounts of my time.

#19 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-18 15:17:51
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
3d Pong

"The psychedelic experience is a product of the fractal laws that govern the world at an informational level. There is no deeper truth." -- Terence McKenna
#20 by ...an ethereal being...
2004-12-18 15:26:35
In the old game category

M.U.L.E.
Archon
Pitfall 2
Alternate Reality
Ultima IV, VII, and Underworld
Syndicate

A friend and I played these games to death.  glQuakeWorld is probably the last game that captured my attention for months on end.

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#21 by Ex-S Woo
2004-12-18 15:29:19
leew5@earthlink.net
X-Com
Pandora Directive
Master of Magic

...Der Langrisser (an import)
#22 by FoRmaT
2004-12-18 15:31:19
Lure of the Temptress was too open for me. I never knew what to do next. Wing Comander... Ahhh Wing Commander! This game completely owned me. I used to sit in school class and be in my own world, thinking about the latest mission I couldnīt beat and making drawings of the Kilrathi spaceships or the cockpits of the terran fighters. I have all the Wing Commander games, expansion packs etc. inlcuding the Kilrathi Saga, for wich I paid about 250€ on ebay. Sam & Max, DOTT andTie Fighter were the three reasons for which I bought my first PC.

"Uhm... it back-fired a bit. :( "  - Andy, 12/20/98
#23 by FoRmaT
2004-12-18 15:38:23
X-Com is a fantastic game. The typical "Iīll play for five more minutes, WHAT ALREADY SIX IN THE MORNING ?" -game. Syndicate was in this same category, and besides being very violent and full of blood it was also very good.

"Uhm... it back-fired a bit. :( "  - Andy, 12/20/98
#24 by jjohnsen
2004-12-18 15:42:55
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Tie Fighter was amazing, as was Syndicate.  When this topic was in the bin I thougth of a game right away, but don't know the name.  It has been so many years since I've played, it might actually suck and I just don't remember that well.  You play a secret agent or something.  I belive it was first person and you could drive different vehicles and use different weapions while hunting other agents in different countries.  Most of it took place on islands if I remember right.  The graphics were horrible of course, this was at least 10 years ago.  Is that enough for someone to recognize it?

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#25 by FoRmaT
2004-12-18 15:56:43
Was that Midwinter?

"Uhm... it back-fired a bit. :( "  - Andy, 12/20/98
#26 by anaqer
2004-12-18 16:18:24
Apart from obscure stuff on probably-unknown-by-most machines like the Commoder Plus4, my first exposure to games happened on XTs and early 386 boxes, so oldies like Prince of Persia, Alone in the dark, Eye of the Beholder, Stunts!, Test Drive, Crime Wave etc. was what made me wake up at 4AM to "borrow" my dad's bulky laptop for a quick fix before school. (For some reason or other, I never had much love for consoles - it was just too easy to get the games running on them, and I happened to quite like mucking around with hex editors and tweaking EMM386 to get that LucasArts game to work.)

I DO NOT CHEAT.
I just play by extended rules.
#27 by Charles
2004-12-18 16:54:59
www.bluh.org
Wudi said something that wasn't stupid.  Wow.

Anyway, yes, Ultima 7 is a fucking fantastic game, and if you can get past the dated graphics and crappy combat, I highly recommend you play it.  The fun thing about Ultima 7?  It was so far ahead of its time that RPGs still haven't caught up to it in terms of features, open worlds, NPC depth of interaction, and believable worlds.  

I'll second the Tie Fighter recommendation, the game itself was utterly brilliant, start to finish.  I wish they'd remake that motherfucker with some modern tech and graphics.  It would truly be one of the best games ever made.  On the same note, the best space combat sim ever made is Freespace 2, and if you liked x-wing or tie fighter and you haven't played it, you are really giving yourself the shaft.  Freespace 2 is the purest of love, and not even star wars can truly compete.  Volition open sourced it a few years back, and the open FS2 project has come a long way to making the game look even better than it did originally, which is pretty amazing cause FS2 base still looks damn fine, and the game came out in 99.  

My last major crush on an old game is Shadowrun on the SNES.  Not much to be said here, it's an awesome game.  Very open, which was a small miracle at the time.  Wish someone else would make a shadowrun game anywhere near as awesome.

Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
#28 by Charles
2004-12-18 16:59:16
www.bluh.org
Oh, and Secret of Mana, which is really my favorite game on the Super Nintendo.  Travesty that all the related games were piss poor in comparison.

Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
#29 by Sgt Hulka
2004-12-18 17:02:01
The first games I ever really got addicted to were arcade machines.  Scramble and Defender being two that ate the most of my lunch money each week.  

Alone in the Dark was one of my favorite games too! I also liked Out of this World, and back then in the 386/20 world, A10 Tank Killer was a lot of fun to play.

Note to the kids at PC: My First hard drive was a 40 meg.  It had an RLL controller and was the size of a 5.25 disk drive.  It was huge, and way back then (1990) hard drives had separate controller cards you had to installl in a drive slot and hook the two cables from it to the hard drive.

I also enjoyed Kings Quest, Lemmings, and I played a lot of BBS Door games like Tradewars, The Pit and Legend of the Red Dragon.  

Then DOOM came out.  That and Total Annihilation were two of my favorite games.

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#30 by Caryn
2004-12-18 17:12:16
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Full Metal Jacket is a brilliant movie. The actor who did the drill inspector deserved an Oscar, I totally bought in to his hard to play character. I wonder how many times the guy had to laugh during his shots.

Format, do you mean R. Lee Ermey? If so, it's no wonder he was so good in the role: he was a Marine for 11 years and did two tours in Vietnam. I believe (but I'm not sure) he actually was a drill instructor at one point in his Marine Corps. career, so it's no wonder he fit into the role so well.

I watched something about the movie once where it was said that Stanley Kubrick had Ermey come into his office one day, and Kubrick started running an audio tape on record. He had Ermey just start going off in drill instructor-speak for quite a while, just anything that came to his head. Kubrick then took that to the script writers and they used that to write his dialogue.

Spiritual life can be regarded as a course of gradual recovery from the addiction to the peculiar type of awareness that splits everything into subject and object. - George Feuerstein
#31 by Neale
2004-12-18 17:15:35
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
jjohnson: Hunter?

I have a hard time accepting that anyone could achieve this miraculously high level of stupidity. - Caryn
#32 by Hugin
2004-12-18 17:18:09
lmccain@nber.org
Games I have loved:

Omega Race.  Does anyone remember this one?  Old arcade game, vector graphics of Asteroids-ish vintage, levels with elastic walls to bounce your spaceship and bullets off of?

Super Sprint

Archon.  
M.U.L.E.
Heaven and Earth (Chinese flavored puzzle game.  Very beautiful, simple game)
Elite
Obsidian (Mac adventure game no one ever seems to have heard of.  Absolutely fantastic.)
Syndicate (Persuaded!)
Populous 2
Star Control 2
Descent
Masters of Orion 2
Total Annihiliation
Carnage Heart
Vandal Hearts (my first console tactics game)
#33 by anaqer
2004-12-18 17:18:13
It had an RLL controller and was the size of a 5.25 disk drive.

I drooled for an RLL drive back then, mine was a garden variety MFM drive (by Seagate I believe) that made a terrifying muffled *THUD* sound on boot up, often scaring friends who came over - 9 times out of 10 they'd give me the "oops, you just broke it, huh?" look. Darn bastards.

I DO NOT CHEAT.
I just play by extended rules.
#34 by deadlock
2004-12-18 17:19:12
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Favourite games... Hmm...

The aforementioned TIE Fighter and its addons - I bought the lot as a "collector's edition" years ago and got hours and hours out of it. I purchased an updated version that runs on the TIE Fighter Vs. X-Wing engine a few years ago, but never really got round to playing it. I might dig it out someday...

I still dig out the first two Monkey Island games - I absolutely love those two games, especially the completely unexpected twist at the end of Monkey Island 2. Fantastic.

Quake. Absolutely fucking brilliant. Brilliant graphics, brilliant sound effects, brilliant music.

Half Life. I never even finished the damn thing, but I still loved it - I used to pass hour upon hour by pulling down the console, typing:

sv_cheats 1
map c1a0
impulse 101
impulse 101
impulse 101


and then slaughtering scientists. Great fun, if a little misanthropic. I still find myself playing games and thinking "Jesus, it's like Half Life never happened" (hello Return To Castle Wolfenstein, I'm looking at you).

The first few Lemmings games (up to and inluding Lemmings 2: Tribes). They were brilliant, especially Lemmings 2 (I loved that each different tribe had different abilities). I am still amazed that they managed to pack so much personality into an 8x8 sprite and am absolutely astounded that a human mind could come up with some of those insanely devious puzzles.

Lemmings brings me nicely to Grand Theft Auto (they were developed by the same house, DMA - latterly Rockstar North). The first game was merely worthwhile, I never played the second game but Grand Theft Auto 3 - for all its flaws - must surely stand as a milestone in video gaming, an appetiser for what is surely to come in the future.

Someone else has mentioned Syndicate and I'd like to add my voice to those who agreed. If ever there was a game to which the word "beating" applied, that game was surely it. The only flaw was the fucking woeful ending.

Another Bullfrog game: Populous. From the era when games lasted more then 20 hours although I would be amazed if anyone every actually managed to complete its 500-odd levels.

Bioforge. Woefully underrated semi-3D graphic adventure combat type thing. Absolutely brilliant, the standout moment for me was beating that guy to death with his own severed arm. And they say the GTA games are violent.

Deus Ex. Seriously flawed as only a masterpiece can be.

There's probably loads more, but I can't think of them now...

They said if I wrote the perfect love song
That you would have me back
So I wrote it
But I lost it
But will you have me back anyway now?
#35 by Funkdrunk
2004-12-18 17:24:33
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
#20 ...an ethereal being...
Alternate Reality



I forgot that game.  Loads of fun.

Funk.

and like a nerd I'll make you say he's superb.
#36 by Caryn
2004-12-18 17:29:07
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
My list of games that I love more than anything else:

- Populous
- Syndicate ("Persuaded!" - is THAT what they were saying?! That's a mystery I never solved!)
- the original Castle Wolfenstein
- Wolfenstein 3D
- Quake multiplayer
- Quake 3 Rocket Arena
- Action Quake 2
- Civ III
- Deadlock
- Archon
- Empire of the Overmind (an ooooolllllllld text adventure I played on the Atari 800; took 10 minutes to boot the game off a cassette tape)
- Zork I - III (the text adventure, not the later versions)
- Joust at the arcade with my dad
- Gyruss at the arcade

Movies:

- The Right Stuff
The topic asked for movies that you loved as a kid that years later you can recall. Because Chuck Yeager was my childhood hero and because I wanted to be an astronaut, I watched this movie to death so much as a kid that I literally knew the script to the entire 3:15 long movie by heart. When I watch it now, it's clearly a flawed movie (and the book is rife with Tom Wolfe's melodrama that stretches the truth a bit for the sake of clever writing), but I can't help but love it to death. This movie is at the top of my list because of that and nothing else even comes close.

- Apollo 13
Another movie with overly dramatic spots, but the same reasons as above. I saw this five times in the theaters.

- Contact
Uhh...just fill in with the same stories as above, but replace "astronaut" with "astrophysicist".

There are many movies that I love because they're great movies. I'm not listing those, and the above movies don't fall into that list. I just listed those that are in a separate nostalgia category for me.

Spiritual life can be regarded as a course of gradual recovery from the addiction to the peculiar type of awareness that splits everything into subject and object. - George Feuerstein
#37 by Neale
2004-12-18 17:29:17
neale@pimurho.co.uk www.pimurho.co.uk
I would actually kill to see a remake of Syndicate - as long as it was a remake and not a rehash. While things like first-person view would be undoubtledly cool, it would cease to be the same game.

Ditto Bioforge. 3D models on pre-rendered backdrops - you could do all that in realtime now. I might even try and dig my copy out.

I have to agree with Tie Fighter too. Definitely one of the best games ever.

I have a hard time accepting that anyone could achieve this miraculously high level of stupidity. - Caryn
#38 by jjohnsen
2004-12-18 17:30:59
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Was that Midwinter?

Similar graphics, but no.

jjohnson: Hunter?

That doesn't ring a bell, and I couldn't google a link.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#39 by Funkdrunk
2004-12-18 17:38:27
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
Some of the old C=64 games that took many nights away from my homework:

Gemstone Warrior
The Bards Tale (all three of them)
Phantasie
Legends of the Ancients
Questron
Roadwar 2000
Pools of Radiance
Impossible Mission
Jumpman Jr
Space Taxi
Boulder Dash
Raid on Bungling Bay
Gateway to Apshai
Hacker
H.E.R.O.
Alcazar
Toy Bizarre
Zone Ranger

Not to mention Ultima 2-5 which found a home on my c=64 before I bought them again for the PC.

Funk.

and like a nerd I'll make you say he's superb.
#40 by Caryn
2004-12-18 17:39:30
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
Bioforge! I totally forgot about that game. I don't remember finishing it, but what I played of it I loved.

There was a similar game I played at the same time called Cyberia. Awesome game. I spent hours with my husband when we were dating at his brother's house and the three of us would play through it together, switching off every time we died. We did it that way because it was pretty story-driven (if I remember right) and we kept wanting to see what was next. It was an adventure game (I think, I don't know the genre well) with an arcade-y flying shoot-em-up part in the middle.

Spiritual life can be regarded as a course of gradual recovery from the addiction to the peculiar type of awareness that splits everything into subject and object. - George Feuerstein
#41 by LPMiller
2004-12-18 17:42:38
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Apollo 13 was good though, because they worked so hard to keep it like the book, like the real experience.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#42 by anaqer
2004-12-18 17:51:46
Somebody mentioned Descent - somehow I happened to come across it before I played Doom, so while I did love the shotgun & hellspawn stuff, I wasn't soo enthralled by the immersion factor as much as I was by that of the endless twisting and turning mazes of the PTMC mines. ("Guidebots are for wimps!")

I DO NOT CHEAT.
I just play by extended rules.
#43 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-18 18:29:53
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
Too many to mention, but I would like to point out that MarsPort on ZX Spectrum was, aside from Jet Set Willy, one of the first games which revealed to me the frightening possibilities for immersion and storytelling in video games. That was circa 1984 and I'll never forget the feeling, wandering that empty base on Mars, rotating your view 90 degrees and finding the pieces to the puzzle. I'd recommend it to you (there are TAPs available and I even stumbled upon a website which loaded ZX Spectrum games in your browser somewhere) but, alas, time had no mercy upon its face.

"The psychedelic experience is a product of the fractal laws that govern the world at an informational level. There is no deeper truth." -- Terence McKenna
#44 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-18 18:31:31
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
I would also like to recommend once more Wizardry 8, which is the modern pinnacle of classic roleplaying. Since all the olden ones are really old now, Wizardry 7 being released in 1992.

"The psychedelic experience is a product of the fractal laws that govern the world at an informational level. There is no deeper truth." -- Terence McKenna
#45 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-18 18:34:52
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
#42 by anaqer

Somebody mentioned Descent - somehow I happened to come across it before I played Doom, so while I did love the shotgun & hellspawn stuff, I wasn't soo enthralled by the immersion factor as much as I was by that of the endless twisting and turning mazes of the PTMC mines. ("Guidebots are for wimps!")


Guidebots made appearance in Descent 2, years later.

"The psychedelic experience is a product of the fractal laws that govern the world at an informational level. There is no deeper truth." -- Terence McKenna
#46 by Charles
2004-12-18 18:40:57
www.bluh.org
Deus Ex doesn't count as old yet goddammit.

Do-Re-Mi-Fa-SO-LONG-FUCKER!
#47 by anaqer
2004-12-18 18:52:13
Zim,
I was aware, hence my remark.

I DO NOT CHEAT.
I just play by extended rules.
#48 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-18 18:57:25
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
#47 by anaqer

Zim,
I was aware, hence my remark.


Drat, I though I've bagged myself a lamezor.

"The psychedelic experience is a product of the fractal laws that govern the world at an informational level. There is no deeper truth." -- Terence McKenna
#49 by BobJustBob
2004-12-18 19:00:42
Deus Ex is older than old.

Dood.
#50 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-18 19:04:03
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
Sorry, Charles, but you are out of it. Deus Ex is... kind of old by now.

"The psychedelic experience is a product of the fractal laws that govern the world at an informational level. There is no deeper truth." -- Terence McKenna
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