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Everquest 2.
November 30th 2004, 05:05 CET by UncleJeet

I really wisht they'd named it something other than Everquest 2.  I suspect the EQ1 has left a terribly sour memory in peoples' minds that they wont' soon forget.  That, couple with other mmogs that have been tried and abandoned through the years, EQ2, like any other new mmog, has an uphill battle to bring in gamers who've been around the mmog block a few times.

Let me try and tell you why I like EQ2 so much, without going in to detail and/or repeating what I've already said before.

For starters, as I mentioned a moment ago, I'm playing an evil character now, so I've aligned myself witht he city of Freeport, where the raskals, scoundrels, villians, and knaves hang out.  (Drink up, me hearties, yo ho!)  When I got off of the Isle of Refuge and appeared in the underground dock in my home quarter of Freeport, I was shocked at just how different it looked from when I first arrived in my home quarter in Qeynos, the city for all the shiny happy heroes.  As I emerged onto the street, I was really blown away.  Here was an entirely, completely, 100% different environment.  The people all speak differently, and are more frank and sneaky and, well, evil sounding.  When I climbed the stairs and stepped out above ground, I really felt like I was in the fantasy equivilant of New York.  It was dingy, dirty, very lived in and full of personality - and that was just the small square of the one small quarter of the city itself.

I think I can sum up the strongest appeal of EQ2 for me very easily - attention to detail.  I've never played an mmog that has had this level of immediate immersiveness, and very few single player games come close, either.  The attention to detail is what makes me want to explore every nook and cranny in the game.  Nothing is ever repeated or shared between zones of a city, so there's always something new around the corner.  The NPCs all having voices is also a nice attention to detail that really adds a lot more to the immersiveness than you might think.

Is it a level grind?  Not for me, though I'm sure it can easily be one if you approach the game with that mindset.  It seems to me, however, that EQ2 is designed to be played at a slower pace, and everything in the game seems to have actual value because of it.  Money is very scarce in the game.  It's part of the game to scrape by just to make ends meet, but it never feels like work.  Rather, it feels like my character is part of this totally believable and immersive environment that's been flooded with refugees all trying to carve out their little corner of the world.

I don't know what arguments I can make other than I know - let me repeat - I know that many of you would absolutely love the game every bit as much as I do, if only you'd give it a shot.  However, I also understand why you'd be hesitant to throw down the money to buy the game, then start on another new monthly fee.  I can just tell you that I really don't think you'd be disappointed, or feel that it was wasted money.

It's a safe bet to say that, at least right now, World of Warcraft is going to eclipse all mmogs, EQ2 included, for the time being.  I don't think, though, that people are going to stick with WoW for the long haul.  Compared to EQ2, there's just no depth to the game.  It's shiny and shallow and the level grind has had fifty coats of the shiniest lacquer applied to it, but there's no soul to the game.  There nothing that says to me that WoW was designed as a labour of love, and that those responsible for making it want to make sure that people want to live in the world, that they want to get swept away in the environments and characters and immersive virtual reality of the world.  EQ2 does all of these things, and does them better than anything anyone else has to offer.

Try it.  You'll like it.*

*Mikey likes it.

Give me this thread.  I need it.
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#1 by CheesyPoof
2004-11-30 05:05:56
I voted this in.  Jeet owes me.

Also have 1200 posts to catch up on.
#2 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 05:06:37
FUCK YOU CHEESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#3 by CheesyPoof
2004-11-30 05:11:22
Why?  What did I do, you dirty 3rd generation mexican?
#4 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 05:14:09
What do you think you did, you mullet-wearing, Bon Jovi-lovin', 1986-IROC-drivin', swampland-dwellin' mutherfucker?

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#5 by CheesyPoof
2004-11-30 05:20:11
It's an '87 IROC you brown rice eating motherfucker.

Jeet formatted the topic right so I voted yes.  No McBain shit fuckery here, I didn't even read it.
#6 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 05:22:38
We Mexicans don't eat brown rice. Get your fucking slurs right, homo.

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#7 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 05:24:03
BTW, what are you going to do on Friday nights now that your sugar daddy James McGreevey is out of office?

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#8 by CheesyPoof
2004-11-30 05:30:22
Is that the best you can do, gay jokes on the internet?
#9 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 05:30:51
I'm waiting for your comeback.

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#10 by m0nty
2004-11-30 05:35:13
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
This sort of homoerotic bickering is a perfect summation of EQ2.
#11 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 05:38:26
Aw, Cheesy knows I'm just busting his balls. Now go get your fucking shinebox, Cheesy.

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#12 by CheesyPoof
2004-11-30 05:39:27
I feel like this is deja vu all over again.
#13 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 05:39:51
/me gives Cheesy a big ol' manly hug

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#14 by Your Friend
2004-11-30 05:41:21
WoW just finished installing.

7% and climbing (slowly) on the current update download...

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#15 by Mackaddie
2004-11-30 05:46:37
Way too much man on man action going on in this thread.
#16 by lwf
2004-11-30 05:51:55
!quote 1708

It's a great place to meet girls!
#17 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 05:52:16
You live in Jersey. Go give Cheesy the hug for me by proxy.

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#18 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 05:52:50
That was for the Mack daddy.

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#19 by Mackaddie
2004-11-30 05:55:38
You live in Jersey. Go give Cheesy the hug for me by proxy.


As long as I don't have to go to south Jersey.  Mullets scare me.
#20 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 06:02:54
No love for the 'Poof.

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#21 by Shadarr
2004-11-30 06:10:07
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I voted yes on this as well, on the assumption that it would give Jeet one place to do all his fagging and thus straighten out all the other threads.

UAC! Fuck yeah!
#22 by BobJustBob
2004-11-30 06:11:00
I voted yes, because this thread will haunt Jeet once he tires of the game. It will be SWG all over again.

Dood.
#23 by yotsuya
2004-11-30 06:12:00
Jeremy, look out the window. These people aren't your neighbors, are they?

"God gave you a brain because he wants you to think."
I wear my sunglasses at night.
#24 by McBain
2004-11-30 06:20:19
The bastard has almost convinced me.  For this I hate him.

www.dailyhowler.com is the single most important website that Americans should read every day.
"The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had."
#25 by Dumdeedum
2004-11-30 06:22:31
http://www.dumdeedum.com
If it's any help, I'm pretty sure the healers in EQ2 don't use proper scientific procedure.

#26 by Penguinx
2004-11-30 06:25:38
Sorry for posting this here, but could a UACer send me the wiki logon/password please? I'm not on my usual PC and don't have the info handy.

#27 by Penguinx
2004-11-30 06:27:47
To that end, send it to my Gmail account please.

#28 by CheesyPoof
2004-11-30 06:29:54
I'm not in south Jersey.
#29 by lwf
2004-11-30 06:37:52
I don't know what your gmail address is.

It's a great place to meet girls!
#30 by Penguinx
2004-11-30 06:38:30
penguinx gmail com

#31 by lwf
2004-11-30 06:39:48
I did the thing you wanted done.

It's a great place to meet girls!
#32 by Penguinx
2004-11-30 06:40:35
Excellent. The comic should be posted to the wiki in a few minutes.

#33 by lwf
2004-11-30 06:41:23
Only one?

It's a great place to meet girls!
#34 by Penguinx
2004-11-30 06:44:52
Tonight? Yes. I didn't have much of a holiday over the holidays. Hopefully this weekend I'll be able to implement the PX-GET-AHEAD plan. Also, I still haven't gotten the email. I'm going to take a shower, let out my dogs for the night, and check gmail when I come back. The comic should be posted within an hour or so, then.

#35 by lwf
2004-11-30 06:48:33
If you really loved me you'd have drawn more comics.

It's a great place to meet girls!
#36 by Penguinx
2004-11-30 07:03:08
Damnit, I still haven't gotten the email.

#37 by lwf
2004-11-30 07:04:36
That's probably because I sent it to penguix@gmail.com This is what happens when you try to shank the spiders by not providing a link!

It's a great place to meet girls!
#38 by Penguinx
2004-11-30 07:06:09
You know that some poor bastard who has penguix@gmail.com is getting pounded in the ass by penis enlargment emails right now. I hope you're happy.

#39 by Shadarr
2004-11-30 07:24:11
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I am.

UAC! Fuck yeah!
#40 by Squeaky
2004-11-30 08:27:27
This has got to be the fastest ever offtopic derailment yet. The previous topic was what, 4?

Heavens, it appears my wee-wee has been stricken with rigor mortis. - Stewie
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#41 by Shadarr
2004-11-30 09:09:45
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
This is Jeet's topic; nobody else is going to talk about EQ2.

Continuing with that theme: new UAC, fuckers.

UAC! Fuck yeah!
#42 by LPMiller
2004-11-30 09:11:03
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
no, I did it in one, once. Monty knows.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#43 by Squeaky
2004-11-30 09:14:14
So, yeah. Somewhat on-topic: After playing both WoW and EQ2 I can say that they are both fairly good games. EQ2 has a few minor touches that make the game so much better. A couple of examples:

Quest Management
The quest screens in the two games are similar. But in EQ2, you can have a brief outline of a quest visible on the hud up in the corner without having to have the whole quest screen window open. The quests in WoW have somewhat better directions on how to get to the actual destination.

World Map/Mini Map
You can have the world map open in EQ2 and still be able to walk around. Inside cities, it's got a little red dot indicating your current position. And if you click on one of the landmarks (weaponsmith, potionshop, zone exit), the game draws a yellow line in game showing you how to get there.

Leveling
In EQ2, you gain a new power with each level up. In WoW, you have to buy new powers. Not having played EQ2 for long enough, I'm not sure if you can pay to upgrade powers or not.

Crafting
EQ2 has designed crafting to be a whole other game unto itself. It's a very time consuming process. Your character actually goes up in levels in two ways: adventurer or artisan. By killing shit and doing quests, you gain levels in adventuring. By making weapons and weaving baskets, you gain levels in your artisan class. The idea was for characters to focus on one aspect or the other. It is possible to do both, but it would be incredibly time consuming.

Other players
I've found that the players in EQ2 are much friendlier than in WoW. Asking for help in the game will generally get you a response, and it's very easy to find people to group with for quests (more on this in a bit). I think this has to do with the fact that there is no PvP. Also, there is no kill-stealing. As soon as you start attacking a critter, the battle is locked on and nobody can jump in and start hacking away at the creature unless you specifically call for help.

Quests
Certain quests in EQ2 are instanced (much like CoH). I'm not sure if WoW has this or not, I haven't run into any. In the tutorial island of EQ2, one of the quests has you killing an Orc. Outside his lair, you can usually find at least one (if not more) people waiting to go in. And since you can have multiple people doing the quest at the same time, there's no need to camp out until the orc respawns. In WoW, one of the early quests has you killing a guy hiding out in a bandit camp. You're supposed to bring his head back to some guy in an abbey. Well, this guy is just hanging around in the game world, and there was a bit of a line up of people waiting to kill him.

Newbie-friendliness
The tutorial of EQ2 is one of the best tutorials I've ever played. Sure killing all the rats on the ship is a little lame, but that sequence takes all of 2 minutes. During the tutorial island, there are many hints that popup on the screen, all of them voice narrated. So you can close of the big chunk of text and go on with playing the game with the narattor talking to you as you play. The tutorial goes over every single aspect of the game you'll ever need to know. Questing, buying and selling, 'conning' enemies, crafting, grouping, right down to small details like different ways to communicate with other players (for people that've never played MMO's before).


My own opinion is that EQ2 is the much better game, but I'll have to settle on WoW for the time being. I'd like to be playing EQ2, but the catassery with it stuttering like mad (and I'm not the only one having this problem, a few of the guys I work with have the same problem) is keeping me from enjoying the game.

Heavens, it appears my wee-wee has been stricken with rigor mortis. - Stewie
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#44 by Squeaky
2004-11-30 09:14:41
HOLY SHIT

Heavens, it appears my wee-wee has been stricken with rigor mortis. - Stewie
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#45 by Squeaky
2004-11-30 09:43:16
Since more of you guys are playing WoW, and wont give EQ2 a chance, what servers are you guys playing on?

Heavens, it appears my wee-wee has been stricken with rigor mortis. - Stewie
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#46 by m0nty
2004-11-30 10:30:37
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
LPMiller (#42):
no, I did it in one, once. Monty knows.

/me shakes his fist in rage @ elpee
#47 by Comothinon
2004-11-30 11:07:33
I've found that the players in EQ2 are much friendlier than in WoW.


I'd say this is because EQ2 has a large portion of EQ veterans who, although fully capable of being asses, are usually fairly social and helpful when spoken to and asked for help. EQ is the most social MMORPG I've ever played. Most other MMORPGs feel like single player games that I'm getting charged for by the month and occasionally I'll run into another player who actually acknowledges my existance.

Apparently, it's all the rage right now to link to really crap sites, so I figure when in Rome...
#48 by Squeaky
2004-11-30 13:12:58
I was running around the tutorial island looking quite lost. A passing mage stopped and asked me what I was looking for (my aforementioned Orc den). He led me to the den and from there I found another group waiting to go in. We all went in together and got our asses kicked. So we respawned, got our corpses back, and tried again and got our asses kicked. The third time, we decided to use actual tactics and won quite easily.

It was awesome.

Heavens, it appears my wee-wee has been stricken with rigor mortis. - Stewie
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#49 by LPMiller
2004-11-30 13:58:27
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
I'm on Whisperwind, Central server.

WoW does have instanced stuff. You can move while on the main map - you're the blue dot. And it always seems to depend on your server, but I've found WoW to be much friendlier in terms of people that any game 've played in a long time, especially CoH. But again, that always seems to depend on your server.

When LP says he's bringing Armageddon, he brings fucking Armageddon. - Caryn, 6/01/2004
#50 by Sgt Hulka
2004-11-30 14:32:12
Does it have +12 swords?

100% Hulka Post - Now with Lemon Scent!
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